Bellhorn04
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I agree in principle. But in reality some of these guys are in fact man-children who have been glorified and heavily rewarded for their sports prowess since they were kids. Sometimes whether you like it or not you have to be a child psychologist with them, because they are the talent that you win games with. The old school approach of Billy Martin wanting to swing it out with Reggie in the dugout just isn't in favor any more.
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I don't get it. Isn't that exactly what you thought management should do? You said Devers was being a "whiny bitch". If the guy was being that kind of difficult, what approach exactly do you think Cora should have used that would have worked?
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To be candid I've wondered if some of the bad play falls on Cora. Maybe it does. But there's so much stuff we don't know. Like with the hitting. They seem to have gone all in on the Driveline stuff. Does it seem to be working? I'm pretty dubious about it, myself. We strike out so much and seem to be lousy at situational hitting, generally speaking. The average runs per game might look okay, but we sure seem to post a lot of 1's and 2's, many of which lead to painful losses featuring blown saves and Manfred Man nightmares. 🙃
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It was a fair question you asked.
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Sale, Price, Porcello and Eovaldi. All veterans with a lot of mileage on them. Some of it was being overtaxed in the 2018 postseason, I have to think. Price and Porcello were basically finished, as it turned out.
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Breslow went ahead and had that awkward conversation. Apparently it didn't go so well. If it was a simple matter to get Devers to play 1B, he'd still be with the team.
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I like him. I think he's a good in-game manager. He makes some moves that seem questionable but he generally has an explanation for them. I think he comes to games prepared. It seems an accepted fact that players like him. He made moves that paid off in the 2018 playoffs, especially using the starters in relief stints. The 2021 team had a surprisingly good run. He's knocked the Yankees out of the playoffs twice. I've always tended to be a pro-manager guy, always thought they take more abuse than they deserve.
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And the slightly odd thing is, Breslow played the game.
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You know as well as I do that it's impossible to quantify the value of a manager. What does Bruce Bochy bring? Well, 4 rings. A bunch of crappy seasons too. The real question here is why does Cora still have his job? Why have Henry, Kennedy et al decided to retain him, why did they sign him to an extension, why the reports that he's probably going to end up in the front office? "He must have compromising pictures of Henry" is of course the fallback joke. When this was used a while ago, another poster, I think it was Randy Red Sox, came back with a great line: "Any picture of Henry is compromising".
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We gave up 181 more runs in 2019 than in 2018. The pitching was light years worse. If you want to blame that on Cora, that's certainly your prerogative.
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Please. You said "can we stop blaming the downfall of the organization on the Sale trade", and now you're mad because I called that exaggeration. I can't help it if the mention of that trade always gets you worked up.
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Well, you could start with most of the rotation falling apart due to injury and our runs allowed increasing by 181, I suppose. You know this stuff, you just don't like Cora.
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Exaggerate much? The Sale trade is just one item on a fairly lengthy list. The downfall started around the same time they decided that Betts was expendable.
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Well, I think the Sox are back in trying to win mode even if the results don't show it. They spent on Crochet and Bregman, and trading Devers freed up a lot of money going forward. We'll see. -
Just to engage in some total speculation because why not, maybe it's something like Bregman wanting to play for the Sox because of Cora that helps keep Cora around. Somebody produced a poll here recently that had Cora high on the list of managers players would like to play for.
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Of course. To clarify my position, if we trade Chapman we might as well trade every other expiring contract because the season's over. I wouldn't trade Bregman though, I'd try to rework his contract and keep him in Boston.
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Who put the 2022-2025 rosters together? Who traded Betts for nothing and signed Story and Yoshida and traded Sale for Grissom and signed Kluber and Giolito and Buehler? Who develops our pitchers? Who coaches our hitters?
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No, I didn't say anything about half way, all I'm saying is that trading Chapman is waving the white flag on 2025. We have a shaky bullpen as it is, without him it's a joke.
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Yeah but we can also list a pile of reasons that the record is not necessarily his fault, things like trading Betts for nothing, signing Story and Yoshida for big money, lousy pitcher signings and so on.
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"There is enough talent" is a pretty vague statement. Who are you talking about, why are they not producing more wins and what does Cora have to do with it?
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part II
Bellhorn04 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
New ownership. -
As we've talked about here so many times, Henry tried to take the team in a totally different direction starting in 2019, with the trade of Betts being the first shocking evidence of this. He's hired 2 CBOs with zero experience and we've had some horrible signings and some wacky roster issues. The facts that Cora still has his job, that he got hired back after a suspension, and that he got a 3 year extension, and that he's been mentioned as a candidate for becoming part of the front office, suggest that ownership must really think highly of him.
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Crazy as it may seem, Story has 18 RBI in June. We would be even worse without him. Like I said, crazy.
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Virtually every game is a struggle for this team. Very few comfortable wins.
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How's that? He did get Devers to accept moving to DH. It was when Casas went down that things got really messy...
