Bellhorn04
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The Sox are certainly not blameless in this, but I think when one of your best and highest paid players is resistant to authority it's going to be a big problem, period. It was a problem with Manny, they got through it for years and won 2 rings with him, but in 2008 enough became enough and they traded him. In 2003, infamously, the Sox put Manny on waivers. At the 2005 trade deadline it was reported that the Sox were offering Manny in trade. I was actually at the game on July 31, 2005 when Manny emerged from the dugout in the bottom of the 8th to a big ovation, having not been traded, and produced a game-winning pinch-hit RBI single.
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Quite possible. I think most of us view Brez's moves through the filter of total results, which are still under .500 in his tenure. If Giolito helps lead us to a playoff spot this year much will be forgiven. Might be stupid but that's kind of how it goes when you're the CBO of the Sox.
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I highly doubt that Breslow would have even considered 'ordering' Cora to 'order' Devers to play 1B, because I think it's more of a co-operative relationship than that. I can certainly buy that Cora thought it might be better to ease Devers into the idea, and Breslow decided it was time to try the direct approach. What I'd really like to know is if anyone thinks the best idea would have been for Cora to go hard-ass about it, to tell Devers that unless he put on a first baseman's mitt on he was riding the pine?
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The facts of the story got mangled, but in December 1919 Frazee was in fact producing a play called "My Lady Friends", and that play was the basis for the musical "No No Nanette".
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You really find it hard to get through a post without firing Cora. And your accusation about Cora playing his favorites makes no sense. -
Interesting parallel here - you have always supported Grady leaving Pedro in in 2003, because you thought Pedro was our best shot, even though it was reported that when Theo met with Grady before the game Theo told him Pedro had to be pulled at 105 pitches regardless.
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Devers was reluctant about both moves, that's not in question. The only question is whether there was any better way to deal with his reluctance. The only alternative I'm seeing anyone present is to go hard-ass, lay down the law on where he's playing. We don't know how that would have gone, it's just really hard to picture it going well. Devers is saying he was disrespected, the hard-ass approach would only be more disrespectful.
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You're jumping to all kinds of conclusions with very little evidence, moon. We have no idea exactly what Cora said or didn't say to Devers, or what exactly prompted Breslow to have a one-on-one meeting with Devers to address the first base question. Maybe Breslow got impatient about it. We know the meeting didn't go well. And then the second meeting with Henry, Devers and Cora apparently didn't either. Maybe the moving to first base thing was just doomed from the start, because Devers thought he was being jerked all over the place. The bottom line is it turned out disastrously, but we have so little information on which to properly assign blame. We're all just guessing and we all have our biases.
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Max, I think you make too much out of trying to 'isolate' the problem. Our offense has lost us plenty of games. We've lost 6 in a row, 2 of them were by scores of 3-2. It's very easy for a team to be bad in multiple areas.
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Well, Breslow asked and Devers refused and they traded him, so it seems like the right things were done, I guess.
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part II
Bellhorn04 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
The mad as hell part would be true, the not going to take it any more part would be a big fat lie. -
Really hard to know exactly what they were thinking. You also have the fact that the offer to Bregman was well below the offer he got from Detroit, so they had good reason not to be certain they would land him. As usual with the Sox dramas there are plenty of questions that will probably never be answered.
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But we have no idea exactly what Cora said to Devers. And we know that Devers accepted the move to DH and was in fact hitting very well. So what did Cora do wrong there?
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Please clarify how you think Cora should have approached Devers about the position changes.
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Based on his admittedly rare public statements and other evidence, including the recent meeting with Devers. When they traded Betts it was Henry who wrote a big explanatory note to the fans about it. All the information seems to point to him being deeply involved in all the big decisions. And why wouldn't he be? He's the biggest stakeholder. And he probably is more of a 'baseball man' than most baseball owners. Why does any of this smack of conspiracy theory thinking?
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part II
Bellhorn04 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Brandon Walter, who was outright released by the Sox in 2024, is with Houston now. In 5 starts he has pitched 29.2 innings with a 3.34 ERA and a 1.05 WHIP. -
Now that the dust has settled on the Devers trade a bit, the timing of it does indeed look like another Red Sox fiasco, because it looks like it did kill the season, and the only logical explanation for the timing is that the Sox didn't want to lose the chance to have another team take on the whole contract.
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I think Henry is a hands-on owner.
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Trading Devers can't happen unless Henry signs off on it. Henry is the constant in all the mess since 2019. He fired DD, he ordered the trade of Betts, he hired Bloom and Breslow. He keeps having ideas that turn out to be really bad ideas.
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Yeah at the end of the day it's another debacle for a team that has been brutally mismanaged since 2019. What I'm really noticing lately is a lot of hate toward Breslow. He may not be long for this job.
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Lots of accusations there that may or may not be true.
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Doesn't seem fair. In 26 playoff games Devers has a .955 OPS, 8 HR and 26 RBI.
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Sounds good in theory but that's not a binding agreement because it can't be. It would basically be worth no more than telling him we'd love to have you back. Once he's traded you lose any possible control of the situation. If you really want him back you offer an extension.
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That was Max. To be fair he was only referring to a stretch of games we won because of our pitching. Beyond that I'll leave it to him to explain.
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part II
Bellhorn04 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
As one of the blogsters at Over the Monster put it, the Red Sox have become Groundhog Day.
