Bellhorn04
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They had two years of control over Sale.
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Time to say it again: You can never have enough pitching. There's not a pitcher in MLB who is guaranteed to get through a whole season healthy and effective. The more you have the better your chances. Again, it's not complicated stuff.
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Giolito was projected as an innings eater, which the staff definitely needed.
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I don't blame them for not having faith. I blame them for throwing away the possibility of him having a decent season. Like I said, it's not like they had a surplus of reliable starters.
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Yeah, but Grissom was and is a prospect, and you said it was about the future, so it's all kind of muddled.
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The point is that with the budget he was given, Breslow couldn't both keep Sale and sign Giolito. It's not that complicated.
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The stupidest thing about blown saves is that they include inherited runners. If you come in with a 1 run lead, bases loaded and no outs and retire the side allowing one run to score, you're credited with: -A scoreless inning. -(Anecdotally) a great job. -A blown save.
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Not solely, no. But I think the budget played a very big role. We kept hearing the stories about the Red Sox having to shed payroll before they could sign Player X. And Sam Kennedy practically bragged that the payroll was going to be lower than the previous year.
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Somebody really like Giolito. Sale's injury risk was obviously part of the calculus. I think the spreadsheets had the final say.
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Red Sox team ERA by month: March-April 2.62 May 4.12 June 4.33
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Only Breslow knows all the whys and wherefores. Obviously somebody thought highly of Grissom.
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We all expected them to add starting pitching. What they actually did was subtract one and add one. And the guy they added had a 4.9 ERA over the last 2 seasons. It was one more amazingly underwhelming offseason in the starting pitching department. Of course the rotation got off to a great start this year and Bailey seemed to be a magician. But the magic has been wearing off.
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Pretty simple. Breslow wanted to sign Giolito, but he couldn't do that, keep Sale and make his other desired moves and stay within the budget he was given.
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With Bello and Pivetta now looking like crap, we're down to Houck and Crawford as reliable starters. And those two are getting into uncharted territory innings-wise. They're already trying to get Houck a bit more rest.
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Randy, that's all I can come up with too. It was all about that precious $10 million.
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And how exactly does Grissom fit into a 2025 infield that has Story, Mayer and a number of other candidates? This trade makes less sense the more you think about it.
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Baseball Digest and The Sporting News were both awesome.
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Here's a simple way to express why trading Sale was not a good idea: You don't trade off starting pitching unless you have a major surplus of it. The Red Sox clearly did not have a major surplus of it.
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Not just unfair math, but wrong math. The average of 93+93+84 is 90. Which is the same number of wins the 2023 World Series champs had, BTW, and more than the 2021 champs, so it's not really a bad number. Meanwhile, throwing out the 108 season as an "outlier" is ludicrous. We're talking about 1 of a population of 4. Shall we throw out 2013 from Cherington's resume while we're at it? You're abusing math and logic.
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"Snuck the Bogaerts thing in"? I'm not even sure what you're talking about. I think it's pretty sad that you're trying to discredit what was a pretty good run. And 2021 wasn't bad either, with a lot of holdovers from 2019.
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Of course I never said anything about "proof" or "dazzle". Seems like all you have is straw man arguments. What seems clear to me is that past injuries do not necessarily predict future injuries. The Dodgers traded for and extended Tyler Glasnow, who pitched fewer innings than Sale from 2019-2023. We still have hope for Trevor Story. And so on.
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"Falling in the standings" - sure, let's make it sound more dramatic than it really was. It was one bad season, no more, no less. And not as bad as some other Red Sox seasons Henry has been witnessing. DD had inked Bogaerts to an extension through 2022, so that's wrong too.
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We've already gone over the fact that his fWAR was good when he pitched. 2019-2023 298.33 IP 6.7 fWAR Saying he didn't "show anything" since 2018 only clinches that you're not interested in being fair about it.
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None of that alters the fact that it was only one disappointing season. Plus you're chucking stuff in there that wasn't even known at the time, like how Price and Sale were going to perform in the future. Betts wasn't a free agent until after 2020, and nobody knew exactly how interested the Dodgers were in him until we traded him. So you're not really arguing in good faith.
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If Henry soured on DD because of one disappointing season out of 4, that would make him the most mercurial owner in history next to maybe George Steinbrenner at his worst.
