Bellhorn04
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Here's one of the things you said: On your bench, a guy with a good OBP who can't run, throw or field is not useful, because he may slump just when you need him. Sean Casey, 2008. He had over 200 plate appearances. He didn't hit a home run, he was slow, not a great fielder, but he had a high OBP. He refutes your statement.
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'Speed doesn't slump' is kind of a simplistic statement, isn't it? Crawford had 18 steals last year, the lowest total of his career, partially because he wasn't getting on base as much, partially because when he did get on base he was reluctant to go for some reason. His speed was not as much of an asset to us as expected.
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You have a point.
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Could be. But if you look through the numbers for starting outfielders around baseball right now, there are an awful lot of guys with OPS's in the 600's and lower - offensive stiffs.
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Agreed. If you expand the numbers to include all outfield positions, the average AL outfielder has a line of 254/325/423.
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But as I said earlier, what Bard is giving us so far this year is a lot better than what Lackey, DiceK, Wakefield, Miller, Weiland or Bedard gave us last year. The lack of a decent back end of the rotation really hurt us last year.
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Yes, I think I may have gotten a little too worked up about Nava and his numbers yesterday. Mea culpa.
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Personally I'm finding it a little comical how much abuse Nava is taking in this thread. Is this all a backlash against Dojji or something? I understand that Nava's potential is limited but his numbers are pretty respectable. He had a .926 OPS at Pawtucket and his major league line now stands at .264/.383/.408. Also he's got 37 RBI in 201 major league AB's, which translates to a 100 RBI season based on about 550 AB's.
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I like underdogs too...especially the ones who hit 350/491/600 over 14 games.
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Sure, but it might just take some little adjustment in his mechanics or his approach for him to suddenly improve. It's not like his ability is deteriorating every game. Obviously I'm looking at this from the optimistic viewpoint. I understand why the other viewpoint is there too.
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One of the issues that hasn't been touched here is, how do you actually determine the value of a reliever compared to the value of a starter? I don't think anybody here is really qualified to answer that. If you buy into WAR valuations, the highest WAR Mariano Rivera has had since he became a closer was 3.3 (per FanGraphs), whereas the highest Verlander has had is 8.3. A lot of that obviously comes from the difference in innings pitched. Bard's highest WAR to date has been 1.8.
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He's gone at least 5 innings in every start. He's averaging 6 innings per start. The most runs he's given up in any start is 5. I agree his overall numbers are no better than mediocre, and the walks absolutely have to come down. But he isn't getting beaten around either.
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Not what I said. I said huge impact 'in the 14 games'. And of course I'm not crediting him with 10 wins. One player can never be credited with wins in baseball. I think the 'win share' concept applies though.
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I think it's fair to say Nava has had a huge impact in the 14 games he's played. 14 hits, 10 walks, 9 runs, 11 RBI. These are not huge numbers for 14 games? What do you have to do to get to huge? 1967 Yaz? We're 10-4 in those games.
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It's interesting to note that in the '1-5' thread, there is a strong consensus that Bard is our 4th best starter. What people really need to be figuring out is what to do about Buchholz.
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So much analysis. In my opinion Bard is fulfilling a useful function as a #5 starter, and today's game is evidence of that. He wasn't great but he didn't get blown out of the game, leaving with 2 runs on the board. I guess I'm lining up with Dojji on this issue. I don't think what Bard is doing as a starter is as easily replaced as some people think. Look at some of our rotation backenders last year-Lackey, Wakefield, Weiland, Miller...it was ugly. They got Bedard and he could only give us about 4 innings a start. In 2004 our 4th and 5th best starters had ERA's of 4.87 and 5.42. In 2007 our 4th and 5th best starters had ERA's of 4.76 and 5.15.
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5/23 @ Orioles — NO BALKING
Bellhorn04 replied to Station 13's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
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He's looking for the cushiest situation possible-close to his home, playing for one of the best teams, half a season's work. I wish him all the worst.
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