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It's reasonable theory. Isn't the FO, ownership group on record saying they hope to be competitive 3 out of 4 or 4 out 5 years?

I think both can be good this season if healthy. I was saying Penny on a short term incentive laden deal as soon as he hit the market back in December. If healthy I think he can bring a lot to the table. If not, then oh well, he's gone at the end of the season. Or if he proves to be healthy and capable and the Sox are in position to do so, they could trade him for something of value.

Not much incentive in their incentive laden deal (insert lame drum sound here) Seriously though, Atlanta shouldn't even have offered a deal. That would have been less insulting. Does Smoltz cost a pick?

Speaking of taking of the glasses or being upset. You should be mad your team didn't grab one of these guys. You should be mad your team spent 400M this off season, and still have enough worry about the #5 spot in the rotation, they invited Jason Johnson to ST to compete.. Why did they do that with more reliable options that where available?

Pretty much if the Sox gambles blow up, there gone at the end of the season and the team can move on from there. They may be higher risk, but it's for a much shorter time period.

Well you called me stupid. So technically not about my fanhood, I give you that:D I don't need to take off the shades either. It's not my money. Never has been, never likely will be. So when they decide to spend 70M on Drew, 102M on Dice-K I don't really care. It's their money. Whatever they decide to invest or not invest in, is their deal. I don't take it as a personal slap in the face if they don't spend every dime available. Of course I like to see them spend money, but if they don't I'm not going to stop watching. I know that may be hard for you to understand. But it has nothing to do with my personal intelligence..

His change-up is still sick. Moving divisions will help minimize the hitters that have seen him. No Petco park now though. He should be effective for them. Nice sign, brewers lose pick?

LOL hang in there:D

I was only suggesting your want's would be better serviced if you where a Yankees fan:D I am guilty of wanting the big time deals myself. But I realize sometimes the team is just better off not doing it. I mean look where it got the team with JD and Lugo. The Sox had an opening at SS and wanted to make a spalsh. The top SS at the time, Julio Lugo. Looking back, would it have not been better to get someone else one one year deal? Then look in on the position the following offseason? Hindsight it 20/20 of course. Then theres JD. Let it be known I am a JD fan and have been a supporter from the time the ink was dry. But I can also admit he isnot without his issues. When JD is on, he is an elite hitter. But when he is off, he is painful to watch. But the Sox needed a RF, and he was the top one available. And they made a big splash. Far and away making a larger offer then anyone else. Looking back would you not have liked the team to pinch the purse so to speak a little more? And not overbid yourself by going feet first? I mean, what if they went with the cheaper, lesser name like Aubrey Huff? The would have gotten better production, and would be looking for a RF now in an overly crowded COF market. Probably saving the team even more money. Hindsight is 20/20. I'm just saying, going with the shorter low risk/high rewards moves can pan out just as good or better then the expensive/ big expectations that follow such a contract. I mean honestly? Can you imagine having expectations of Yankee fans? It's win or nothing. Actually you should be able to. And as Red Sox fans we ALL know what having win or nothing expectations is like. We all know it's no fun. I for one am not ready to go back to win or it's a bust. And let's be honest, thats what all those big money, big name players bring in. I for one like the fact the Sox look for a bargain. Or the diamond in the rough so to speak. Or the fact they place values on players and hold to it.No matter the fallout(tex being about the worst case scenario). I mean we all liked it when we got Lowell at what the team valued him at and didn't go above it. We liked the fact the inked Pedroia at a reasonable price for long term. They can't be saavy buisness men one day, and bumbling baboon ass's the next.

Weren't those players drafted by the picks recieved for Lowe and Pedro? I wasn't here at that time, but I can only guess what a700's attitude was toward not bringing back those guys was...

A700 I hope you didn't take any of that persoanly, it was all in good fun. I say Lowe is an iffy pitcher because he is 35 and requires a 3+yr deal for an AAV higher then anyone on the team. I'd say that is a fiscally iffy move. It may be good for next season, but what about the following 2? I haven't been a Sox fan for 40 yrs. I'm not old enough, but that doesn't make me any more or less of a fan then you. Reading your response only leads me to believe I struck a nerve of some sorts. I mean I'm one of the easiest going, un mailcious posters here at talksox. For you to think I was seriously attacking your fanhood to the point where you need to try and beliddle my own, speaks vloumes. But I have seen the Sox in ST, Baltimore, NY, TB, Texas, Toronto, LA, and Seattle. Does that make you feel better about poking harmless fun at you?

Yes it is. But should we expect anything else?

I'm not admitting to that. They have a few rehab guys filling out their roster. Not making up the whole thing. These guys are not the core of the team. They will not be counted on everyday. And anything they add should be considered a bonus to what the everyday/core players provide. If the team was full of rehab projects, then yes I might be thinking otherwise. Incase you haven't noticed, NO ONE besides the Yankess are spending big $. And in this economy, I have no issue with them tightning up some, and showing fiscal sense. What would you rather I'd want them to spend every dime they have, and bankrupt themselves? What good would that do me?

a700, you seem to want the Sox to pay any amount of $ possible to bring in guys. Throw draft picks away on iffy veterans. Basically go against what the FO philosophy is currently. To be honest, I think your cheering for the wrong team, If it's big $, and flashy new players you want, NY is your team.

Would you give in to the asking price of Buchholz or 2 of Bowden, Masterson, Hadagone for Salty/Teagarden?

I'm always open to a trade. But the only legit SP on the market is Peavy. And at what it will cost to get him, I'm not too sure. Maybe they hould put a large package together for Webb and Montero? Then Dice-K and Lowell+1 to NYM for Wright:thumbsup:

I've been crushed for saying it, but I think the Sox should have looked in on Hardy. It would be an offensive upgrade, and would allow Lowrie to be used as a super utility type. Where I think he would have more value. But agian it all comes down to cost.

a700's glass is half empty, can anyone top it off for him?

Exactly. a700 you should be happy you have a good team to cheer for. One that has a competitve chance in most years. You could always be a Royals or Pirates fan. Where those 3 signings might change a season for that team. Your used to big marquee names being in the mix. This offseason just isn't going to be that way. I'm not sure about you. But I am intrigued to see what those 3 players can bring to the ballpark.