Morosi: Jarren Duran Would Be A "Great Fit" With Detroit Tigers

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Have you seen who owns the Mets ???

Henry is not going to be competitive!!!!

My point was, why would skubal extend for less than what the Mets of Dodgers would pay?

If he'd agree to an extension before the trade is finalized, I'd listen, but if the extension is an NYM prices, then why not just wait a year and offer a NYM salary?

[Larry Cook]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

My point was, why would skubal extend for less than what the Mets of Dodgers would pay?

If he'd agree to an extension before the trade is finalized, I'd listen, but if the extension is an NYM prices, then why not just wait a year and offer a NYM salary?

Because Henry does not have the financial resources to compete with cohen!!!  (And there is no shame in that by the way.) 

[Hitch]

11 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

We can't be certain who the Mets and Dodgers will target and keep upping their bids.

I agree, they will get who the want most, but there are 5-6 players we could target. I'd love to see us get two, and I think the Mets and Dodgers will leave 2-3 for us to outbid all the others on. My guess is Philly outbid us for Schwarber, so we may have just 2 left for us.

We can be absolutely certain the Mets will be in on Skubal in FA.

The one thing we're not thinking of - the lockout which is all but certain, happens as Skubal his FA. If the owners push hard for a cap, the players will write off the season, maybe he is open to an extension especially as reports say that the tiger and him were $200m apart. So there's a number and he'll lose out if he has no contract. Pay the price and get it done (this will not happen), and have the best 1-2 punch in the world. 

[Hugh2]

11 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Could be a third team involved with Duran and prospects going to DET.

A third team certianly complicates things and makes it harder. Yet, we see three team trades so this is certainy a possibility

[Hugh2]

Here's a BTV trade that works 3 way with the Cleveland Guardians.

Disclaimer: I know this is a long shot, and does not fully grasp team needs and evaluations, but it's for fun and conversation. 

Tigers get: Travis Bazzana/Connelly Early/Michael Kennedy

Guardians get: Jarren Duran/David Sandlin

Red Sox get: Tarik Skubal/Khal Stephen/Jacob Cozart

Why the Tigers do it.  They can't resign Skubal, so they go out and get value for him now.  They get a controllable pitcher with 6 years of team control, and a top infield prospect in Travis Bazzana who fills a need on their roster, and another young arm in Kennedy. 

Why the Guardians do it.  They reportedly have liked Duran and need both help in the outfield and the bullpen, Sandlin is a high minors prospect who many think is best suited for the bullpen who could probably accelerate his path to the majors by committing to the bullpen. 

Why the Red Sox do it: Do I really need to explain????

[moonslav59]

9 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

Because Henry does not have the financial resources to compete with cohen!!!  (And there is no shame in that by the way.) 

I fully understand that, but why would Skubla extend with us for less than what he'd get from the Mets (or Dodger?)

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Hugh2 said:

Here's a BTV trade that works 3 way with the Cleveland Guardians.

Disclaimer: I know this is a long shot, and does not fully grasp team needs and evaluations, but it's for fun and conversation. 

Tigers get: Travis Bazzana/Connelly Early/Michael Kennedy

Guardians get: Jarren Duran/David Sandlin

Red Sox get: Tarik Skubal/Khal Stephen/Jacob Cozart

Why the Tigers do it.  They can't resign Skubal, so they go out and get value for him now.  They get a controllable pitcher with 6 years of team control, and a top infield prospect in Travis Bazzana who fills a need on their roster, and another young arm in Kennedy. 

Why the Guardians do it.  They reportedly have liked Duran and need both help in the outfield and the bullpen, Sandlin is a high minors prospect who many think is best suited for the bullpen who could probably accelerate his path to the majors by committing to the bullpen. 

Why the Red Sox do it: Do I really need to explain????

The one downfall is that this trade kinda narrows the "window" to one year, but one could argue we still have a solid roster, if Skubla bolts after 1 year. We'd be losing 2 years of Duran, 5 years of Early & Sandlin. We'd gain some years from Stephen & Cozart.

We'd sure look good for 2026, if we added two big bats on top of Skubal.

[mvp 78]

26 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

The one downfall is that this trade kinda narrows the "window" to one year, but one could argue we still have a solid roster, if Skubla bolts after 1 year. We'd be losing 2 years of Duran, 5 years of Early & Sandlin. We'd gain some years from Stephen & Cozart.

We'd sure look good for 2026, if we added two big bats on top of Skubal.

If they trade for Skubal, they are all in on extending him at a massive contract.

[notin]

13 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Could be a third team involved with Duran and prospects going to DET.

The thread is about Duran fitting in Detroit, not Skubal getting to Boston.  My point all along has been these are mutually exclusive from Detroit’s point of view.

And we know how things are going to work with Skubal.  If Detroit trades him, it will not be until July 31 and only if they are out of it. 
 

If they want Duran, a fair trade is 19yo A-ball SS Bryce Rainer and AA catcher Thayron Liranzo for Duran.  One or both might be flippable in a subsequent deal for Ryan…

[moonslav59]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If they trade for Skubal, they are all in on extending him at a massive contract.

I get that, but if we pay NYM money, why couldn't we just do that after 2026?

[notin]

2 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

Here's a BTV trade that works 3 way with the Cleveland Guardians.

Disclaimer: I know this is a long shot, and does not fully grasp team needs and evaluations, but it's for fun and conversation. 

Tigers get: Travis Bazzana/Connelly Early/Michael Kennedy

Guardians get: Jarren Duran/David Sandlin

Red Sox get: Tarik Skubal/Khal Stephen/Jacob Cozart

Why the Tigers do it.  They can't resign Skubal, so they go out and get value for him now.  They get a controllable pitcher with 6 years of team control, and a top infield prospect in Travis Bazzana who fills a need on their roster, and another young arm in Kennedy. 

Why the Guardians do it.  They reportedly have liked Duran and need both help in the outfield and the bullpen, Sandlin is a high minors prospect who many think is best suited for the bullpen who could probably accelerate his path to the majors by committing to the bullpen. 

Why the Red Sox do it: Do I really need to explain????

If I’m Detroit, I think about it.  Getting Early and Bazzana plus for one year of Skubal is tempting.

If I’m Cleveland, I’m out.  I like Duran but want to keep my former #1 overall pick and prefer to acquire Duran using more expensive players not named Jose Ramirez already on my MLB roster…

[mvp 78]

37 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I get that, but if we pay NYM money, why couldn't we just do that after 2026?

Because another team might trade for Skubal and extend him before then.

[moonslav59]

20 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Because another team might trade for Skubal and extend him before then.

I just don't see us offering Skubal NYM type money in an extension, and I don't see him signing for less.

Why give up so many players to pay top FA market money for him. We can just pay top FA money for a pitcher and keep the players.

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Because another team might trade for Skubal and extend him before then.

Unless there are serious CBA changes, his agent does have a long and successful history of getting players better deals through free agency…

[mvp 78]

I guess if we're going down that much of a doomer route, might as well not even bother talking about any top tier pitching then. Sox will just be a middle of the road team at best. Maybe they'll get in the playoffs every few years, but no chance at a WS. Root for cost savings and laundry. It's all we have left I guess. 🫡

[moonslav59]

16 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I guess if we're going down that much of a doomer route, might as well not even bother talking about any top tier pitching then. Sox will just be a middle of the road team at best. Maybe they'll get in the playoffs every few years, but no chance at a WS. Root for cost savings and laundry. It's all we have left I guess. 🫡

We got a top tier pitcher by trading and extended him to a reasonable contract. While Skubal would probably not extend, unless it's at maybe $40M AAV+, someone like Ryan or Lodolo might extend.

They aren't "top tier," but they do fall in or close to the top 30 SP'ers in several categories, assuming we define top tier as top 30.

[Hugh2]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I just don't see us offering Skubal NYM type money in an extension, and I don't see him signing for less.

Why give up so many players to pay top FA market money for him. We can just pay top FA money for a pitcher and keep the players.

Because if Skubal is legit on the trade market another team will trade for him.  And while that doesn't guarantee they extend him there's a good chance they could. 

We shouldn't be as inept as the Yankees were with Soto, you don't do this if you can't extend him.  You should have a pretty darn good ideal what his number is.  

[Hugh2]

Every single player in MLB would extend for the right price.  The question becomes what that price is and if you can live with it.  If the answer is no.....then you don't trade for him. 

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Because if Skubal is legit on the trade market another team will trade for him.  And while that doesn't guarantee they extend him there's a good chance they could. 

We shouldn't be as inept as the Yankees were with Soto, you don't do this if you can't extend him.  You should have a pretty darn good ideal what his number is.  

Okay, let's say we trade and then extend him for $40M x 8, and that's what the Mets would have paid.

I'd rather we pay $45M x 8 next winter and still have the players we traded away- or trade them for KMarte.

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Every single player in MLB would extend for the right price.  The question becomes what that price is and if you can live with it.  If the answer is no.....then you don't trade for him. 

Yes, indeed. I think we were pretty sure we could meet Crochet's price. I don't think we can be sure with Skubal, unless we go to absurd levels. My point is, if we are prepared to go to absurd levels, then just wait a year and trade for someone else who has 2- 3+ years of control, this winter.

[mvp 78]

39 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

We got a top tier pitcher by trading and extended him to a reasonable contract. While Skubal would probably not extend, unless it's at maybe $40M AAV+, someone like Ryan or Lodolo might extend.

They aren't "top tier," but they do fall in or close to the top 30 SP'ers in several categories, assuming we define top tier as top 30.

Top 30 in some categories. Is that the goal now? 😬

[moonslav59]

16 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Top 30 in some categories. Is that the goal now? 😬

At this point, I'll take a top 30 SP'er to match up with Crochet, who is top 5, and in a sense, bump Bello to #3 and so on...

I like to call #1's top 30, #2's 31-60 and so on... but of course, I'd prefer another top 5 over a top 30. The question is that with a restricted budget and a roster with several holes, how much of each do we want to invest in a 1 year ace with distant hopes he will extend.

Most of us would go back and offer $28M x 12 for Yamamoto, not that he'd sign with us over LAD at $27.3M x 8, but let's say we did, we would probably not have signed Bregman and would have about $13-18M to spend this winter on 3B and 1B.

[mvp 78]

13 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

At this point, I'll take a top 30 SP'er to match up with Crochet, who is top 5, and in a sense, bump Bello to #3 and so on...

I like to call #1's top 30, #2's 31-60 and so on... but of course, I'd prefer another top 5 over a top 30. The question is that with a restricted budget and a roster with several holes, how much of each do we want to invest in a 1 year ace with distant hopes he will extend.

Most of us would go back and offer $28M x 12 for Yamamoto, not that he'd sign with us over LAD at $27.3M x 8, but let's say we did, we would probably not have signed Bregman and would have about $13-18M to spend this winter on 3B and 1B.

How does that help them compete with the Yankees who have 3 top 30 starters? 

[notin]

26 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

How does that help them compete with the Yankees who have 3 top 30 starters? 

So you’re saying they shouldn’t bother?

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, notin said:

So you’re saying they shouldn’t bother?

Why automatically create a roster that makes you an underdog if you can push the envelope? 

[moonslav59]

35 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

How does that help them compete with the Yankees who have 3 top 30 starters? 

I wish we'd pay like the big boys, but if and when we do, why would we give up players to do it?

I'm not against paying for the best.

[mvp 78]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

I wish we'd pay like the big boys, but if and when we do, why would we give up players to do it?

I'm not against paying for the best.

Why are the Sox no longer the big boys? 

[notin]

1 hour ago, Hugh2 said:

Because if Skubal is legit on the trade market another team will trade for him.  And while that doesn't guarantee they extend him there's a good chance they could. 

We shouldn't be as inept as the Yankees were with Soto, you don't do this if you can't extend him.  You should have a pretty darn good ideal what his number is.  

I think Detroit would be insane to put Skubal on the trade market.  Let’s look at the AL Central.

Minnesota - Rebuilding and cutting salary like mad.  Team looks like a advanced AAAA roster, especially if they move Ryan and/or Ober.

Chicago  - No longer the worst team in history but they’re not exactly threats.

Cleveland - Facing the biggest loss to gambling bans since the 1919 White Sox, which might impact direction this year.

Kansas City - At least they’re still trying.  As far as we know.

 

With that level of compete, why trade Skubal?

 

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Why are the Sox no longer the big boys? 

Why ask me?

You know as well as I do, JH has been stingy for several years. 

He cracked open his wallet a bit, last winter, then dumped Devers and watched Bregman and Gio bolt, so we are back to square one, again.

We can and should be a top 4 spending team.

The short answer why we are not is... John Henry.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, notin said:

I think Detroit would be insane to put Skubal on the trade market.  Let’s look at the AL Central.

Minnesota - Rebuilding and cutting salary like mad.  Team looks like a advanced AAAA roster, especially if they move Ryan and/or Ober.

Chicago  - No longer the worst team in history but they’re not exactly threats.

Cleveland - Facing the biggest loss to gambling bans since the 1919 White Sox, which might impact direction this year.

Kansas City - At least they’re still trying.  As far as we know.

With that level of compete, why trade Skubal?

 

If they know they will not pay Skubal, they are basically getting a comp pick for a 1 year window, in a year where they are unlikely to go large and long to build a top 4 contending team for that 1 year window.

It does make some sense to rebuild, if you won't commit to Skubal. I mean guys like him don't grow on trees. They were dumb to not build up around him for the last 1-2 years and going into 2026. Now, is it worth it?