Article: Hunter Greene, Rumored Red Sox Trade Target, Will Cost an Arm, A Leg, and More

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

My proposed offer for what and who? Why does my proposed offer matter?

Ask me, you want Greene, you gotta give Roman.  Cincy asks for something that doesnt include Roman, Im prob saying yes. Greenes like really really good.

Okay. You think it takes way more than I do.

I thought you were saying Duran, Garcia and Clarke was acceptable for Cincy, but you obviously were not.

[drewski6]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

Okay. You think it takes way more than I do.

I thought you were saying Duran, Garcia and Clarke was acceptable for Cincy, but you obviously were not.

For who? Greene?

I dont think hes available for anything. I think this is a sports illustrated article that threw out something stupid.

If Im the reds im not taking roman anthony for greene. Im not.

[drewski6]

Greene is too good to trade.

[drewski6]

Duran for Lodolo is the trade.

[drewski6]

I think we win that too, btw. Cuz Lodolo is also really good, hes just not really really really good.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

I could be wrong but I think that cincy laughs at duran, garcia and a pitching prospect that is not early/tolle.

Could be wrong.  But this hunter greene talk is like from a sports illustrated article. Its not from the actual reds FO.

Im with Notin, I think Greene talk rivals Skenes talk. I dont see it happening. But hey, Reds wanna offer him for Duran, Garcia and Clarke, Im not gonna talk em out of it.

Well, notin thinks Greene is not a top 10 SP'er, so that's not close to Skenes talk.

I'm sure they'll ask for Tolle or Early, but they may take all offense. You say Anthony, but maybe it could be Duran & Mayer with Garcia as a possible third.

That would create a Sox need for 3B and 2B.

[moonslav59]

Just now, drewski6 said:

Duran for Lodolo is the trade.

I agree and would add Sandlin and maybe Mullins, too.

[drewski6]

Greene has as good as shot as anybody not named Skenes to be the best pitcher in mlb in 3 yrs. Lodolo is not THAT good, but I thnk hes a #1 on most teams.

[moonslav59]

Just now, drewski6 said:

Greene has as good as shot as anybody not named Skenes to be the best pitcher in mlb in 3 yrs. Lodolo is not THAT good, but I thnk hes a #1 on most teams.

Agreed. Lodolo is a good enough #2 for me, and if it's just Duran and maybe Sandlin, it seems like a much better deal that what was suggested for Joe Ryan.

[drewski6]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

Agreed. Lodolo is a good enough #2 for me, and if it's just Duran and maybe Sandlin, it seems like a much better deal that what was suggested for Joe Ryan.

I think Lodolo is better than Joe Ryan also.

[drewski6]

Lodolo is a 6'6 lefty who dominated college , went 7 overall, and at one point was the top pitching prospect in MLB. He has 3-4 very good pitches, one of which is the best slurve in MLB.



 

[moonslav59]

So, Duran & Sandlin for Lodolo, and then what?

We have the only pitcher we need, in theory- maybe bring Matz back, too.

I figure we have about $40-45M to spend and still reset the tax. We need 3B or 2B and a 1Bman. One has to be a big power RHB.

Maybe: Suarez/Alonso or could we have enough to pull of a trade for K Marte, and then we sign a Hoskins/Naylor/Hearns for 1B? 

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

I think Lodolo is better than Joe Ryan also.

So, maybe it takes more than Duran & Sandlin.

[drewski6]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

So, maybe it takes more than Duran & Sandlin.

Im just one person, the BTV on Lodolo makes it seem like duran alone is an overpay.  I could be disconnected from actual trade values, but i think lodolo is a top 30 pitcher in mlb and greene is top 10 and climbing.

[moonslav59]

Just now, drewski6 said:

Im just one person, the BTV on Lodolo makes it seem like duran alone is an overpay.  I could be disconnected from actual trade values, but i think lodolo is a top 30 pitcher in mlb and greene is top 10 and climbing.

I wonder why they don't trade Singer or Abbot.

[Krusty]

The Reds would prefer to trade Singer since he is on the final year for 11 million in arbitration.  But, I don’t think Singer alone will get the Reds Duran.

[moonslav59]

50 minutes ago, Krusty said:

The Reds would prefer to trade Singer since he is on the final year for 11 million in arbitration.  But, I don’t think Singer alone will get the Reds Duran.

Not even close. Why not Abbot, if Greene and Lodolo are for real.

You are also losing Nick Martinez, so I'm not so sure you guys have talented pitchers to spare, despite your great need for O.

[Krusty]

Reds have Burns and Lowder ready to crack the rotation.  Add Singer, Abbott, Lodolo and Greene, and they might spare a starter.  Abbott took a big step forward in 2025 and I doubt the Reds would part with him.  Greene would be tough to trade and would require a heist in return.  Like I said, Singer would be the guy the Reds like to trade but he might not bring the hitter the Reds would want.  Lodolo they might be willing to part for that right package.

[moonslav59]

14 minutes ago, Krusty said:

Reds have Burns and Lowder ready to crack the rotation.  Add Singer, Abbott, Lodolo and Greene, and they might spare a starter.  Abbott took a big step forward in 2025 and I doubt the Reds would part with him.  Greene would be tough to trade and would require a heist in return.  Like I said, Singer would be the guy the Reds like to trade but he might not bring the hitter the Reds would want.  Lodolo they might be willing to part for that right package.

If Greene and Lodolo are as good as it seems, Abbot is even better?

[Kimmi]

On 10/17/2025 at 11:53 AM, moonslav59 said:

While we don't need to add a Crochet, every winter, we seriously lack star power on offense.

I loved the balanced approach, and still do, but even when we had Mueller  and Hobson batting 9th, we had a couple bashers in the middle.

Our rotation showed serious cracks, especially at the end, and one of our top 3 (Gio) is a goner. Yes, adding Greene would be shiny, but when you subtract Gio's season, it's not like replacing Criswell with Crochet.

We do NOT need to go very shiny at SP. I agree with that. I'd be fine with Lodolo or Ryan and have even said I'd settle for M Keller, but I'm with Drew on going large on a power bat or TWO!

I don't disagree about adding a power bat, only because it's rather risky depending on guys like Anthony or Casas who have the potential, but aren't proven yet.  I just disagree about having to go large, meaning contract-wise.

What I'd really like to see is guys who can put the ball in play when it's called for.

[Krusty]

Andrew Abbott's 2025 season stats include a 10-7 win-loss record, a 2.87 ERA, 149 strikeouts, and a 1.15 WHIP over 166.1 innings pitched.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Kimmi said:

I don't disagree about adding a power bat, only because it's rather risky depending on guys like Anthony or Casas who have the potential, but aren't proven yet.  I just disagree about having to go large, meaning contract-wise.

What I'd really like to see is guys who can put the ball in play when it's called for.

We will likely have to go "large," but maybe not so long.

We could do another Bregman type deal with someone trying to prove themselves worth more, or maybe taking a chance on older players who aren't being offers 3-4+ contracts by anybody.

We could sign an older pitcher like Merrill Kelly on a shorter deal, then trade for a younger big bat, like maybe K Marte.

We don't need 4-5 guys at $10M/1: we need 2 at about $25M AAV. 

 

[Duran Is The Man]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

We will likely have to go "large," but maybe not so long.

We could do another Bregman type deal with someone trying to prove themselves worth more, or maybe taking a chance on older players who aren't being offers 3-4+ contracts by anybody.

We could sign an older pitcher like Merrill Kelly on a shorter deal, then trade for a younger big bat, like maybe K Marte.

We don't need 4-5 guys at $10M/1: we need 2 at about $25M AAV. 

 

i'd love to see us get ALonzo.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Duran Is The Man said:

i'd love to see us get ALonzo.

If we traded for Lodolo and signed Alonzo and nothing else, it might be enough.

[drewski6]

10 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

If we traded for Lodolo and signed Alonzo and nothing else, it might be enough.

RA hitting in front of Alonzo and Crochet-Lodolo at the top of a rotation is a great start (note you may want to put a righty in between the two lefty starters, if teams still do that , but I dont think rotation order means much).

[moonslav59]

37 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

RA hitting in front of Alonzo and Crochet-Lodolo at the top of a rotation is a great start (note you may want to put a righty in between the two lefty starters, if teams still do that , but I dont think rotation order means much).

It may be enough: it may not be.

I'd prefer Alonzo, Lodolo AND another decent bat at 3B/2B, but just 2 major gets might be enough.

[Kimmi]

18 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

We will likely have to go "large," but maybe not so long.

We could do another Bregman type deal with someone trying to prove themselves worth more, or maybe taking a chance on older players who aren't being offers 3-4+ contracts by anybody.

We could sign an older pitcher like Merrill Kelly on a shorter deal, then trade for a younger big bat, like maybe K Marte.

We don't need 4-5 guys at $10M/1: we need 2 at about $25M AAV. 

 

I prefer to go with a higher AAV and fewer years than the other way around, even though it costs you more against the luxury tax.  Breslow needs to make good on repurposing some of the Devers money.  Two players at $25M AAV for 3-4 years works for me.  Whether that's doable or not is another question.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Kimmi said:

I prefer to go with a higher AAV and fewer years than the other way around, even though it costs you more against the luxury tax.  Breslow needs to make good on repurposing some of the Devers money.  Two players at $25M AAV for 3-4 years works for me.  Whether that's doable or not is another question.

The theory is sound, but you wonder...

If someone is worth $25M AAV, why are they accepting just 3-4 years? 

It's usually...

an injury issue

over 31 to 35+ years old

recent struggles

not a long record of success

Our last 2 FA deals longer than 4 years have not worked out well:

$140M/6 Story in '22

$90M/5 Yoshida '23 (plus fees)

Players on the current FA market that may take $25M x 3 or 4?

Probably not Schwarber, Bregman, Ranger Suarez, Dylan Cease, Dante Bichette and Shane Bieber, but maybe 30 year old Michael King or 31 year old Giolito.

I don't see many others.

 

 

[Kimmi]

18 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

The theory is sound, but you wonder...

If someone is worth $25M AAV, why are they accepting just 3-4 years? 

It's usually...

an injury issue

over 31 to 35+ years old

recent struggles

not a long record of success

Our last 2 FA deals longer than 4 years have not worked out well:

$140M/6 Story in '22

$90M/5 Yoshida '23 (plus fees)

Players on the current FA market that may take $25M x 3 or 4?

Probably not Schwarber, Bregman, Ranger Suarez, Dylan Cease, Dante Bichette and Shane Bieber, but maybe 30 year old Michael King or 31 year old Giolito.

I don't see many others.

 

 

Therein lies the dilemma.  But it's certainly better than offering a 28 or 30 year old a 10 year contract based on past performance.  IMO

[moonslav59]

14 minutes ago, Kimmi said:

Therein lies the dilemma.  But it's certainly better than offering a 28 or 30 year old a 10 year contract based on past performance.  IMO

I'm okay with 6-7 year deals on 28-29 year olds, 5-6 on 30-31 year olds.

I'm sympathetic to your views. I have suggested JH, Brez & Co. look into deal for guys like E Suarez and Merrill Kelly, who are likely too old to get 5+ years.