Article: Hunter Greene, Rumored Red Sox Trade Target, Will Cost an Arm, A Leg, and More

[Krusty]

Reds need outfielders.  Any deal would have to involve either Duran  or Abreu.  Garcia would fit nicely in RF and his power potential.  I’m sure the Reds would want a pitching prospect in return.

Greene’s contract is reasonable for the next four years.  There will be suitors if the Reds put him on the trading block.  Unless they get what they want in a deal, they will hold onto him and look at free agency to address their needs.  If the Red Sox really want Greene, they will meet what the Reds want or they will shop him to other teams or keep him.

[moonslav59]

Just now, Krusty said:

Reds need outfielders.  Any deal would have to involve either Duran  or Abreu.  Garcia would fit nicely in RF and his power potential.  I’m sure the Reds would want a pitching prospect in return.

Greene’s contract is reasonable for the next four years.  There will be suitors if the Reds put him on the trading block.  Unless they get what they want in a deal, they will hold onto him and look at free agency to address their needs.  If the Red Sox really want Greene, they will meet what the Reds want or they will shop him to other teams or keep him.

We might be one of the few teams in MLB that can offer two OF'ers...

LHB: Duran or Abreu

RHB: Garcia or Campbell (Rafaela is unlikely to be offered.)

We can trade two and still have a solid 4 man OF plus Yoshida and maybe a returning Refsnyder.

LF: Anthony or Duran

CF: Rafaela

RF: Abreu or Anthony

4th: Campbell or Garcia

5th: Yoshida and or Refsnyder

[notin]

5 hours ago, Krusty said:

 

Reds fan here.

Would the Red Sox be willing to part with Jarren Duran, pitcher Payton Tolle and outfielder Jhostynxon Garcia for Hunter Greene?

Reds don’t have to trade Greene and any deal would have to be one the Reds can’t refuse.

Tolle is a roadblock on here, but the Sox might be willing.

Is Cincy looking to move Greene, and, if so, why?Playoff team moving a controlled ace is a huge red flag IMO….

[Larry Cook]

On 10/18/2025 at 11:39 AM, moonslav59 said:

Maybe we can get STL to take on Yoshida's contract, if we take back Sonny Gray (2 years) and W Contreras (2-3 yrs) or ....gasp.... Arenado's (1-2 yrs) contracts. To get Gray, we'd have to offer something like Crawford, Dobbins, Harrison or Fitts and maybe more (Sandlin, Garcia, Campbell?)

One thing about hang’em Chaim, he signs a lot of guys that are below average on defense 

yoshida (snd some cash) and Sandlin and another prospect for gray?  Might be worth a phone call by bres-slow to see if anything is there 

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5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

We might be one of the few teams in MLB that can offer two OF'ers...

LHB: Duran or Abreu

RHB: Garcia or Campbell (Rafaela is unlikely to be offered.)

We can trade two and still have a solid 4 man OF plus Yoshida and maybe a returning Refsnyder.

LF: Anthony or Duran

CF: Rafaela

RF: Abreu or Anthony

4th: Campbell or Garcia

5th: Yoshida and or Refsnyder

Rafaela is not on their radar.  The Reds want OFFENSE from new outfielders, preferably corner outfielders. (TJ Friedl in CF seems secure.)

Duran, Abreu and Password are names that come up.

Payton Tolle has been mentioned, but Boston might prefer moving another of their young SO - Harrison, Perales or Dobbins.

Does Cincy have a 2b or 3b they can spare?

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

One thing about hang’em Chaim, he signs a lot of guys that are below average on defense 

yoshida (snd some cash) and Sandlin and another prospect for gray?  Might be worth a phone call by bres-slow to see if anything is there 

Gray still has a lot of value.

We may get Arenado for Yoshida plus cash. Maybe W Contreras for Casas and Yoshida. Not Gray, unless we give some serious talent with Masa.

[notin]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Gray still has a lot of value.

We may get Arenado for Yoshida plus cash. Maybe W Contreras for Casas and Yoshida. Not Gray, unless we give some serious talent with Masa.

Do the Sox want Arenado?  Theres your decline…

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, notin said:

Rafaela is not on their radar.  The Reds want OFFENSE from new outfielders, preferably corner outfielders. (TJ Friedl in CF seems secure.)

Duran, Abreu and Password are names that come up.

Payton Tolle has been mentioned, but Boston might prefer moving another of their young SO - Harrison, Perales or Dobbins.

Does Cincy have a 2b or 3b they can spare?

Agree on no Rafaela.

I'm not sure how highly Cincy or anyone values Campbell, but he might be more highly values than Garcia.

I'm not sure Cincy wants a pitcher back, but the guys you listed would certainly be of value.

For Greene, I might offer:

Abreu or Duran

Campbell or Garcia

Harrison, Dobbins or Perales. (Valera or Clarke?)

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

Do the Sox want Arenado?  Theres your decline…

I don't, even if it means dumping Yoshida. He does play 1B/3B, but Yoshida is a better batter.

I'd trade him and $12-14M for Contreras.

[vjcsmoke]

I'm so tired of injury prone players. No thanks. Especially not for that much player capital.

If we make a big trade for a pitcher I'd rather go for a player like Tarik Skubal who has been relatively available for most of his MLB career. 190+ IP each of the past 2 seasons.

[Krusty]

Other than DeLaCruz, Greene is the pitcher that can bring the most in return in a deal.  They would still have Lodolo, Abbott, Singer, Burns and Lowder.  I think the Reds would want a prospect in return to keep their pitching pipeline flowing.  Reds need outfielders.  At least one, preferably two.  Duran and Greene’s contracts are 8 million and 8.3 for 2026.  Both have three years of control and Greene has an option for 2029.  Duran alone won’t get the deal done.  I think the Reds would want two of their top prospects in return,; whether it’s Garcia, Tolle, Campbell, Early or Clarke.

The Reds hold all the cards.  They don’t have to trade Greene.  They could see what other teams are offering.  The Red Sox will either meet Nick Krall’s demands or they will look elsewhere.  But whoever they get won’t have a contract the caliber of pitcher Greene is.

[moonslav59]

11 minutes ago, vjcsmoke said:

I'm so tired of injury prone players. No thanks. Especially not for that much player capital.

If we make a big trade for a pitcher I'd rather go for a player like Tarik Skubal who has been relatively available for most of his MLB career. 190+ IP each of the past 2 seasons.

I don't disagree.

Greene missed about 6 weeks in 2022 (24 GS) and 2023 (22 GS.)

He missed about 5 weeks in '24 (26 GS.) All three seasons were late season injuries where he came back before the end.

He missed about 9 weeks, this year (19 GS) and came back for a last 8 GS totals of 2.81 ERA and 3.05 FIP (59K in 48 IP)

Just to point out, there were worries about Crochet, too.

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, Krusty said:

Other than DeLaCruz, Greene is the pitcher that can bring the most in return in a deal.  They would still have Lodolo, Abbott, Singer, Burns and Lowder.  I think the Reds would want a prospect in return to keep their pitching pipeline flowing.  Reds need outfielders.  At least one, preferably two.  Duran and Greene’s contracts are 8 million and 8.3 for 2026.  Both have three years of control and Greene has an option for 2029.  Duran alone won’t get the deal done.  I think the Reds would want two of their top prospects in return,; whether it’s Garcia, Tolle, Campbell, Early or Clarke.

The Reds hold all the cards.  They don’t have to trade Greene.  They could see what other teams are offering.  The Red Sox will either meet Nick Krall’s demands or they will look elsewhere.  But whoever they get won’t have a contract the caliber of pitcher Greene is.

We don't really "need" to trade Duran, either, and many other teams would pay to get him (or Abreu.)

I think Cincy would prefer ML players over a pitching prospect like Clarke or Valera, but I'm not sure we are willing to part with Tolle or Early.

Our best bet might to be giving up 2 OF'ers: Abreu or Duran and Garcia or Campbell. I doubt we'd give Abreu & Duran, but that might get a deal done. The only infielder we can afford is DHam or Grissom, and I doubt Cincy wants either one. (DHam may be appealing to some GMs.) We could throw in Sandlin, Guerrero, Kelly or Moran- maybe Duran ($8M) Garcia and Sandlin or Abreu, Campbell ($7.5M) and Sandlin. 

Is that enough for Cincy to say yes?

If I were Brez, I'd say yes.

Next offer, if no, would maybe be Duran, Mullins & Sandlin for Lodolo.

[Krusty]

Duran and Abreu for Greene?  The Reds might do that.

[moonslav59]

18 minutes ago, Krusty said:

Duran and Abreu for Greene?  The Reds might do that.

We'd have an OF of:

LF: Campbell & Garcia (both RHB) Yoshida as emergency (LHB)

CF: Rafaela (RHB)

RF: Anthony (LHB)

I think we would try hard to keep Abreu, who is a much need great RF defender.

Give CIN the choice between Campbell and Garcia and add a prospect.

What about Duran, Campbell & Garcia?

Our OF would be:

LF: Anthony LHB (Yoshida LHB)

CF: Rafaela

RF: Abreu (re-sign Refsnyder RHB)

[Krusty]

That might work also.  Campbell could be competition to McLain at 2nd base.  I will say I think the Reds and Red Sox match up well.  If the Reds are thinking about moving Greene, both Krall and Breslow should be talking.

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3 hours ago, vjcsmoke said:

I'm so tired of injury prone players. No thanks. Especially not for that much player capital.

If we make a big trade for a pitcher I'd rather go for a player like Tarik Skubal who has been relatively available for most of his MLB career. 190+ IP each of the past 2 seasons.

Skubal has been relatively available? Relatively available compared to what? Martian blood? Sasquatch’s cell phone number? Darth Vader’s long lost country album, the one where he covered “Achy Breaky Heart”?

[notin]

3 hours ago, Krusty said:

Other than DeLaCruz, Greene is the pitcher that can bring the most in return in a deal.  They would still have Lodolo, Abbott, Singer, Burns and Lowder.  I think the Reds would want a prospect in return to keep their pitching pipeline flowing.  Reds need outfielders.  At least one, preferably two.  Duran and Greene’s contracts are 8 million and 8.3 for 2026.  Both have three years of control and Greene has an option for 2029.  Duran alone won’t get the deal done.  I think the Reds would want two of their top prospects in return,; whether it’s Garcia, Tolle, Campbell, Early or Clarke.

The Reds hold all the cards.  They don’t have to trade Greene.  They could see what other teams are offering.  The Red Sox will either meet Nick Krall’s demands or they will look elsewhere.  But whoever they get won’t have a contract the caliber of pitcher Greene is.

The Reds most definitely do not “hold all the cards.”  Theyre going to talk to multiple teams regardless.

I would imagine many team CBOs will be suspicious of a postseason team dealing their cost-controlled ace, especially at a time when the division might be winnable.  Teams might suspect the 4 years of Hunter Greene is closer to 2.5 seasons, and quite possibly just 300 IP given his history.

Sure teams will gamble on him.  But if their asking price tag is one 5 WAR All Star outfielder plus two BA Top 100 prospects, chances are there will be no takers…

[Krusty]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

The Reds most definitely do not “hold all the cards.”  Theyre going to talk to multiple teams regardless.

I would imagine many team CBOs will be suspicious of a postseason team dealing their cost-controlled ace, especially at a time when the division might be winnable.  Teams might suspect the 4 years of Hunter Greene is closer to 2.5 seasons, and quite possibly just 300 IP given his history.

Sure teams will gamble on him.  But if their asking price tag is one 5 WAR All Star outfielder plus two BA Top 100 prospects, chances are there will be no takers…

And that’s fine.  The Reds adopted Tampa Bay’s approach of moving players before they become expensive and towards the end of their contracts and acquiring cheaper and younger players.  Greene’s contract for 2026 is 8.3 million.  After 2026, the contract increases significantly.  So they move Greene while addressing a need, getting younger and cheaper players in return while gaining payroll flexibility.  Meanwhile, the team acquiring Greene is getting a top 10 starter who can dominate games.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

24 minutes ago, notin said:

The Reds most definitely do not “hold all the cards.”  Theyre going to talk to multiple teams regardless.

St. Louis holds all the Cards. But if Chaim Bloom is dealing, there's good chance he'll drop the shuffle and a dead hand will be declared.

[Duran Is The Man]

3 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

We don't really "need" to trade Duran, either, and many other teams would pay to get him (or Abreu.)

I think Cincy would prefer ML players over a pitching prospect like Clarke or Valera, but I'm not sure we are willing to part with Tolle or Early.

Our best bet might to be giving up 2 OF'ers: Abreu or Duran and Garcia or Campbell. I doubt we'd give Abreu & Duran, but that might get a deal done. The only infielder we can afford is DHam or Grissom, and I doubt Cincy wants either one. (DHam may be appealing to some GMs.) We could throw in Sandlin, Guerrero, Kelly or Moran- maybe Duran ($8M) Garcia and Sandlin or Abreu, Campbell ($7.5M) and Sandlin. 

Is that enough for Cincy to say yes?

If I were Brez, I'd say yes.

Next offer, if no, would maybe be Duran, Mullins & Sandlin for Lodolo.

give Cincy Grissom and all the garbage we got from the Devers trade. surely Devers and Sale are worth one injury-prone Hunter Greene.

 

[notin]

1 hour ago, Krusty said:

And that’s fine.  The Reds adopted Tampa Bay’s approach of moving players before they become expensive and towards the end of their contracts and acquiring cheaper and younger players.  Greene’s contract for 2026 is 8.3 million.  After 2026, the contract increases significantly.  So they move Greene while addressing a need, getting younger and cheaper players in return while gaining payroll flexibility.  Meanwhile, the team acquiring Greene is getting a top 10 starter who can dominate games.

Trading Greene with four years left is NOT what Tampa does.

And using what criteria is Greene a top ten starter?  I have to think all of the ten best SPs in MLB have more fWAR in the past two seasons than Michael Wacha and average more than 125 IP in a season...

[moonslav59]

44 minutes ago, notin said:

And using what criteria is Greene a top ten starter?  

By the criteria of 250+ IP from 2024 to 2025:

ERA-

46 Skenes

57 Skubal

59 Sale

62 Wheeler

63 Greene

9. Crochet 72

Greene is 10th in FIP- at 79.

He's 8th in K/9 at 10.5 and K% at 29.2%.

He has more IP in the last 2 years than Crochet had in his previous 4 seasons.

[Krusty]

In the Garrett Crochet trade, the White Sox acquired catcher Kyle Teel, outfielder Braden Montgomery, infielder Chase Meidroth, and right-handed pitcher Wikelman Gonzalez from the Boston Red Sox. 
If you’re going to talk about a deal for Greene, you can start with the return in the Crochet deal.  And Greene has a more favorable contract compared to Crochet after the Red Sox extended him.  If anything, a return for Greene should be more than what the Red Sox gave up for Crochet.

[notin]

6 hours ago, Krusty said:

Duran and Abreu for Greene?  The Reds might do that.

“Might”??

[notin]

54 minutes ago, Krusty said:

In the Garrett Crochet trade, the White Sox acquired catcher Kyle Teel, outfielder Braden Montgomery, infielder Chase Meidroth, and right-handed pitcher Wikelman Gonzalez from the Boston Red Sox. 
If you’re going to talk about a deal for Greene, you can start with the return in the Crochet deal.  And Greene has a more favorable contract compared to Crochet after the Red Sox extended him.  If anything, a return for Greene should be more than what the Red Sox gave up for Crochet.

Crochet went for two good prospects (Teel and Montgomery) and two fungible AAAA low ceiling throw ins (Meidroth and Gonzalez).  Could Greene go for more? Maybe, but probably not much.  Certainly not replacing the throw ins with an All Star 5 WAR outfielder.

I could see Boston going as high as Duran and maybe Tolle.  Or Brandon Clarke, depending on Cincy’s 40 man roster space availability. I doubt any team gives up more than an All Star 5 WAR outfielder with 3 arb years left plus a BA Top 100 pitching prospect.  (Both Tolle and Clarke were ranked.)

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Krusty said:

In the Garrett Crochet trade, the White Sox acquired catcher Kyle Teel, outfielder Braden Montgomery, infielder Chase Meidroth, and right-handed pitcher Wikelman Gonzalez from the Boston Red Sox. 
If you’re going to talk about a deal for Greene, you can start with the return in the Crochet deal.  And Greene has a more favorable contract compared to Crochet after the Red Sox extended him.  If anything, a return for Greene should be more than what the Red Sox gave up for Crochet.

The extension cost is not a factor.

[notin]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

By the criteria of 250+ IP from 2024 to 2025:

ERA-

46 Skenes

57 Skubal

59 Sale

62 Wheeler

63 Greene

9. Crochet 72

Greene is 10th in FIP- at 79.

He's 8th in K/9 at 10.5 and K% at 29.2%.

He has more IP in the last 2 years than Crochet had in his previous 4 seasons.

Being top ten in K/9 does not make Greene a top ten SP.

ERA-/ERA+ would work, but that very low minimum kind of puts Greene unfairly close to Wheeler.  It’s not right considering Wheeler kept up the pace for about 100 more innings…

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

Being top ten in K/9 does not make Greene a top ten SP.

ERA-/ERA+ would work, but that very low minimum kind of puts Greene unfairly close to Wheeler.  It’s not right considering Wheeler kept up the pace for about 100 more innings…

250 IP is not real low. Only 72 SP'ers in MLB have more than Greene.

I'm not arguing he's top 10, but the guy can pitch.

Last year, we were wondering how good Crochet was based on low IP totals. Not all work out like he did, but Greene has proven more than he did at this point, vs last winter for Crochet.

I'd think he'd get a similar haul, but I think Teel and Monty were not ranked all that highly, because they had the 3 top prospects ahead of them. They were better than any other 4-5's in MLB.

My guess it takes Duran or Abreu plus Tolle or Early, but maybe we can avoid one of those two pitchers and give up 3 for 1. Or Duran & Garcia/ Abreu & Campbell (both have about $8-9M AAVs)

[notin]

5 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

250 IP is not real low. Only 72 SP'ers in MLB have more than Greene.

I'm not arguing he's top 10, but the guy can pitch.

Last year, we were wondering how good Crochet was based on low IP totals. Not all work out like he did, but Greene has proven more than he did at this point, vs last winter for Crochet.

I'd think he'd get a similar haul, but I think Teel and Monty were not ranked all that highly, because they had the 3 top prospects ahead of them. They were better than any other 4-5's in MLB.

My guess it takes Duran or Abreu plus Tolle or Early, but maybe we can avoid one of those two pitchers and give up 3 for 1. Or Duran & Garcia/ Abreu & Campbell (both have about $8-9M AAVs)

250 IP isnt a lot of someone is claiming you’re a top ten SP in all of MLB.

i go Duran and Clarke as my biggest offer.