The 2026 Red Sox Foundation & One Possible Plan

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Based on what? Bloom was honest. Unlike Breslow.  Bloom told us that we were moving in the right direction every year. I think he was very happy doing everything he did and thought everything was working out great.  After he got sacked he promised us that he put a future in place that would eventually win championships. He would give himself A++.  Not because of doing what he could with finite resources but because thats just who he was.  He was just too patient.  To a fault.  He wanted to play the looooooooong game, but you gotta operate with more urgency than that and that was his flaw.

For example, Bloom told us at a deadline that he did nothing because the team only had a 25% chance of making the playoffs so why would he trade prospects. That how he operated.  You just wait until 2027, hed say in 2024 , already 4 years into a rebuild. He thought he had a longer leash than he did. He thought he had more time than he did.

The problem with Bloom is that he needed to SELL at every deadline like what he did with the Vaz/Abreu trade. Standing pat didn't help anyone. 

[drewski6]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The problem with Bloom is that he needed to SELL at every deadline like what he did with the Vaz/Abreu trade. Standing pat didn't help anyone. 

My nickname for him was "low-impact", but I regret it now cuz I like him more these days.

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Based on what? Bloom was honest. Unlike Breslow.  Bloom told us that we were moving in the right direction every year. I think he was very happy doing everything he did and thought everything was working out great.  After he got sacked he promised us that he put a future in place that would eventually win championships. He would give himself A++.  Not because of doing what he could with finite resources but because thats just who he was.  He was just too patient.  To a fault.  He wanted to play the looooooooong game, but you gotta operate with more urgency than that and that was his flaw.

For example, Bloom told us at a deadline that he did nothing because the team only had a 25% chance of making the playoffs so why would he trade prospects. That how he operated.  You just wait until 2027, hed say in 2024 , already 4 years into a rebuild. He thought he had a longer leash than he did. He thought he had more time than he did.

He didn't refuse the money given for Story and Masa.

Kinda hard for me to prove, and you as well on your point that he preferred to not have a bigger budget. I seriously doubt any GM turns down more money, year after year.

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The problem with Bloom is that he needed to SELL at every deadline like what he did with the Vaz/Abreu trade. Standing pat didn't help anyone. 

Also, the Pivetta trade.

[drewski6]

21 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

He didn't refuse the money given for Story and Masa.

Kinda hard for me to prove, and you as well on your point that he preferred to not have a bigger budget. I seriously doubt any GM turns down more money, year after year.

Oh I believe that some GMs are out there having fun trying to patch with finite resources. Its no fun if you can just sign away your troubles, and these GMs have egos.  They wanna prove they can do it with less.  Its fun for them to see it like a puzzle

That being said, I agree neither of us can prove.

But keep in mind Im not necessarily talking about turning down more money, im talking about being too easy of a sell, e.g. not asking for more money, not being a pain in the butt for more money.

DD would be in there and be like do you want to win or dont you? And thats what brought us championships.

Gotta sell the chief decision makers, man.  

[drewski6]

People think that owners are looking for someone to tell them what they want to hear. And maybe, and if thats the case with us, we're f'd.  But its usually not how it goes, and this team has been too successful pre-bloom for me to think thats how they operate.

They are looking for someone to sell them on a vision, not get someone to buy into a vision of max budget efficiency.

[notin]

26 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

People think that owners are looking for someone to tell them what they want to hear. And maybe, and if thats the case with us, we're f'd.  But its usually not how it goes, and this team has been too successful pre-bloom for me to think thats how they operate.

They are looking for someone to sell them on a vision, not get someone to buy into a vision of max budget efficiency.

Oh I would be surprised if the vision they wanted sold to them didn’t incorporate budgetary limitation…

[notin]

30 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Oh I believe that some GMs are out there having fun trying to patch with finite resources. Its no fun if you can just sign away your troubles, and these GMs have egos.  They wanna prove they can do it with less.  Its fun for them to see it like a puzzle

That being said, I agree neither of us can prove.

But keep in mind Im not necessarily talking about turning down more money, im talking about being too easy of a sell, e.g. not asking for more money, not being a pain in the butt for more money.

DD would be in there and be like do you want to win or dont you? And thats what brought us championships.

Gotta sell the chief decision makers, man.  

I would imagine it’s only fun when it works.  I doubt any GM sleeps easily knowing he pieced together a 60-102 team but stayed on budget…

[moonslav59]

34 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Oh I believe that some GMs are out there having fun trying to patch with finite resources. Its no fun if you can just sign away your troubles, and these GMs have egos.  They wanna prove they can do it with less.  Its fun for them to see it like a puzzle

That being said, I agree neither of us can prove.

But keep in mind Im not necessarily talking about turning down more money, im talking about being too easy of a sell, e.g. not asking for more money, not being a pain in the butt for more money.

DD would be in there and be like do you want to win or dont you? And thats what brought us championships.

Gotta sell the chief decision makers, man.  

I do think Bloom knew what he was getting into and accepted the challenge. I doubt he actively pushed hard to get a bigger budget, but I have to think he'd have wanted more. The guys was forced to sign Martin Perez, Peraza and other clowns in 2020. He was later allowed to "splurge" on Richards and Kike. I gotta think he'd have wanted better, if able, but I also see your point.

He was hopi ng he could do what the rays did, but maybe be able to keep some of their good additions. While he literally wrote the book on the "Rays Way." it turns out, he wasn't the mastermind behind it. The guys who went to the Dodgers and Astros were.

[drewski6]

11 minutes ago, notin said:

Oh I would be surprised if the vision they wanted sold to them didn’t incorporate budgetary limitation…

Maybe, but its not bullet point 1.