Red Sox 2025 Trade Deadline Thread

[mvp 78]

21 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Some think Abreu or Duran PLUS Tolle.

Pass

[mvp 78]

26 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I think it was Kelly they really wanted.  The offer they made for Ryan was reportedly not even close.  The Twins did insist on Duran or Abreu I believe. 

Twins had no interest in even dealing per reports.

[Bellhorn04]

24 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

As a combined deadline outlook, 2024 was better.

The super-sucky results of the 2024 deadline pickups were plugged into the Sox efficiency model and the model said a lot of bad things. 😄

[FredLynn]

24 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

#2 starter hard to get.  Righty 1b not needed, ditto backup catcher.  Relievers can always help if they're any good.  You're the only Flops Fan on talksox.  You're actually in the unenviable position of needing the Sox to fail so you can be right.  

A #2 starter was what we needed. Breslow failed. Now you can continue to try to put lipstick on a pig but you can’t change the facts. It’s still a pig. The best the mindlessly optimistic can hope for now is that it doesn’t matter that he failed to do his job. 

[Bellhorn04]

If any team has been cursed with their deadline deals the last few years, it's the Yanks.  I'd like to see a list for the last 5 years, it's hilarious how badly they've turned out.  This year they outdid themselves, in the very first game after the deadline, the 3 relievers they acquired gave up 9 runs, and Caballero made a big error - the deadline guys were instrumental in turning a 9-4 7th inning lead into a 13-12 loss.

And then last night Bird gives up the walkoff* homer, and gets sent to the minors.  This is epic stuff.

* I actually hate this stupid term.  

[FredLynn]

53 minutes ago, sk7326 said:

I wanted a move.  Personally, I thought something like a Duran for Kris Bubic made sense for everybody ... Duran for Dylan Cease would have been selling low (and clearly the Padres have bigger game in mind)

But all things considered, getting another good bullpen arm, and at least a starter with some real upside.  Most of the other starters at that level were going to be indistinguishable from the various Hunter Dobbins/Richard Fitts sorts of clones.  

I very much doubt that May will be an improvement over Dobbins/Fitts. We needed a Ferrari and Breslow got us a Ford.

[FredLynn]

9 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

If any team has been cursed with their deadline deals the last few years, it's the Yanks.  I'd like to see a list for the last 5 years, it's hilarious how badly they've turned out.  This year they outdid themselves, in the very first game after the deadline, the 3 relievers they acquired gave up 9 runs, and Caballero made a big error - the deadline guys were instrumental in turning a 9-4 7th inning lead into a 13-12 loss.

And then last night Bird gives up the walkoff* homer, and gets sent to the minors.  This is epic stuff.

* I actually hate this stupid term.  

Without Judge the Yankmees are a very ordinary team.

[moonslav59]

27 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Pass

Close, but I agree.

I wonder what a Keller offer would have needed to be.

[moonslav59]

27 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

The super-sucky results of the 2024 deadline pickups were plugged into the Sox efficiency model and the model said a lot of bad things. 😄

Not at the time of those trades, apparently. (I also forgot to mention getting Priester for Yorke)

Also, look at what Brez gave up in 2024 compared to 2025 (highest ranking when with Sox):

3. Nick Yorke

11. Matthew Lugo

20. Cutter Coffey

29. Ovis Portes (far away but significant promise)

9. Essinson Paulino

20. Niko Kavadas

11. Ryan Zeferjahn

54. Y Vargas

60. Gilberto Bautista

NR Moises Bolivar (a far away prospect with some promise)

2025:

7. Tibbs (I think fell to 10th before trade)

7. Jordan (19th when traded)

28. Ehrhard

 

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

41 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Twins had no interest in even dealing per reports.

If Brez had offered Anthony and Tolle, Ryan would be a Red Sox right now. When the Twins realized that Anthony was off the board, then anything else Brez offered wouldn't be close. I doubt the Twins' FO was interested in either Duran or Abreu.

[mvp 78]

28 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Close, but I agree.

I wonder what a Keller offer would have needed to be.

Too much. Why go for a controllable asset at the deadline when prices are inflated?

[moonslav59]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Too much. Why go for a controllable asset at the deadline when prices are inflated?

Better than a rental at inflated costs.

We need a pitcher.

Why did we give up more, last year?

[FredLynn]

15 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

If Brez had offered Anthony and Tolle, Ryan would be a Red Sox right now. When the Twins realized that Anthony was off the board, then anything else Brez offered wouldn't be close. I doubt the Twins' FO was interested in either Duran or Abreu.

You have no idea if the Twins were demanding Anthony. No one does. Pure mindless conjecture on your part. No doubt they would have been thrilled to make that swap but the fact is that no one knows what the details of those discussions were except the participants. Whatever Breslow offered he failed to do his job. The Flops over the past several years have followed that trajectory-failing to do their jobs.
But sure….guess away!

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 minute ago, FredLynn said:

You have no idea if the Twins were demanding Anthony. No one does. Pure mindless conjecture on your part. No doubt they would have been thrilled to make that swap but the fact is that no one knows what the details of those discussions were except the participants. But sure….guess away!

Why don't you just go away, Clown 

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Better than a rental at inflated costs.

We need a pitcher.

Why did we give up more, last year?

We gave up Rule 5 guys last year. 

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

You have no idea if the Twins were demanding Anthony. No one does. Pure mindless conjecture on your part. No doubt they would have been thrilled to make that swap but the fact is that no one knows what the details of those discussions were except the participants. Whatever Breslow offered he failed to do his job. The Flops over the past several years have followed that trajectory-failing to do their jobs.
But sure….guess away!

Nobody had reported Anthony.

[FredLynn]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Nobody had reported Anthony.

Exactly 

Just SS brought it up. It’s fun to play with this stuff but the truth is none of us were involved.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Nobody had reported Anthony.

If trade packages are kept secret if the trade doesn't click, how would anyone report it?

[FredLynn]

7 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Why don't you just go away, Clown 

Try to keep it civil. Name calling is uncalled for. 
And I’m not going anywhere. You guys need my “genius” insights 😉

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

7 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

If trade packages are kept secret if the trade doesn't click, how would anyone report it?

The Twins were in no hurry to trade Ryan. He's their Ace with 2 more years of control. The only way the twins were gonna trade him is to be blown away by an offer. Anthony and Tolle would have blown them away. No way the Twins didn't ask for those 2.

[mvp 78]

Nice 1st

[dgalehouse]

No one ever gave a second thought to Joe Ryan. Now, we can't live without him? This is a talented Red Sox team that is playing fast, loose and with a lot of confidence. They have the ingredients needed to succeed. And it shows.      

[dgalehouse]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

If any team has been cursed with their deadline deals the last few years, it's the Yanks.  I'd like to see a list for the last 5 years, it's hilarious how badly they've turned out.  This year they outdid themselves, in the very first game after the deadline, the 3 relievers they acquired gave up 9 runs, and Caballero made a big error - the deadline guys were instrumental in turning a 9-4 7th inning lead into a 13-12 loss.

And then last night Bird gives up the walkoff* homer, and gets sent to the minors.  This is epic stuff.

* I actually hate this stupid term.  

 On YouTube, there are some good A I fakes on Aaron Boone. Quite realistic and very funny.  Some on Judge also. 

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, dgalehouse said:

No one ever gave a second thought to Joe Ryan. Now, we can't live without him? This is a talented Red Sox team that is playing fast, loose and with a lot of confidence. They have the ingredients needed to succeed. And it shows.      

Don’t need Ryan, but someone better than Buehler

[moonslav59]

22 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

We gave up Rule 5 guys last year. 

Yes, some- not Portis and a couple others.

We gave up Jordan, this year.

My point is, we gave up much more, last year than this. There were other reasons, for sure, but most felt we were closer to having a chance this year.

[mvp 78]

1st and 2nd are quick for Crochet

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Don’t need Ryan, but someone better than Buehler

That's a low bar for May.

[moonslav59]

21 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

That's a low bar for May.

We actually needed 2 starters better than Buehler, unless you think Criswell is for real.

[sk7326]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

We actually needed 2 starters better than Buehler, unless you think Criswell is for real.

As far as October goes they need one of these #4/#5 guys to get hot.  Fortunately the Top 3 looks solid.  

[moonslav59]

25 minutes ago, sk7326 said:

As far as October goes they need one of these #4/#5 guys to get hot.  Fortunately the Top 3 looks solid.  

Agreed, but we could use 2 for the regular season or an injury,