Article: How Well Do The Red Sox And Padres Match Up On A Jarren Duran Trade?

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Hugh2 said:

are italics still the international symbol for sarcasm on the world wide webs?

Have they ever been? 

On here it's been either green font or overt usage of emoticons. Elsewhere you may see /s. 

You must post in some rough neighborhoods to be that underground! I'll add it to my list! 

[mvp 78]

 

[harmony]

3 hours ago, notin said:

Duran and Story to SD for Jake Cronenworth and pitching prospects Kash Mayfield and Humberto Cruz.. 

Story and Cronenworth have similar money left…

Baseball Trade Values founder John Bitzer likes the notin proposal:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/189531

[notin]

15 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

I would trade Abreu over Rafaela or Duran as well I just mentioned Duran because his name has been floated around.  To be fair, at the end of the day, no one is untradeable for the right price.  Duran does get you the most. 

I don't believe anyone is taking on Yoshida or Story's contract.  You'd have to subsidize most of it, so it wouldn't be much of a salary dump.  Sox would likely have to part with high quality prospects to get 1/2 that money off their books.  Or take a contract back.  And if they're not bringing back quality pieces to compete now, it's really a waste to shed the salary (unless they can get under the cap and reset)

Buehler is not a #2.  I'm sorry but he's not.  I was a fan of the signing, and he might be again at some point, maybe even this year, but despite a very good playoff run last year Buehler has not pitched like a #1 or #2 since 2021.  He's also a free agent at the end of this year heading into his age 31 season. You're either going to Q.O. him or trade him, if the season looks lost you trade him.  

Someone is reportedly interested in Duran.  Is there equivalent interest in Abreu?

[notin]

7 hours ago, harmony said:

Baseball Trade Values founder John Bitzer likes the notin proposal:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/189531

But AJ Preller remains an adamant “No comment”…

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

Cardinals Predicted To Trade Top 2 Prospects For Red Sox All-Star

[mvp 78]

17 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Cardinals Predicted To Trade Top 2 Prospects For Red Sox All-Star

The amount of imminent predictions that you have posted on here... 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

The amount of imminent predictions that you have posted on here... 

Just like pretty much every other poster on here. Smh.

 

[mvp 78]

27 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Just like pretty much every other poster on here. Smh.

I don't think any of us make trade predictions, we make trade suggestions. Those are completely different things. 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

I don't think any of us make trade predictions, we make trade suggestions. Those are completely different things. 

And I haven't made either a prediction nor a suggestion.

I merely post what others out there are suggesting.

[notin]

51 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The amount of imminent predictions that you have posted on here... 

SI and MSN seem to like to make “predictions” without knowing whether either team is interested.  Some of them are good ideas for one team, some for both and some for neither.  But they’re usually just some guy’s random thoughts with no more basis in reality than anything on a BTV board…

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, notin said:

SI and MSN seem to like to make “predictions” without knowing whether either team is interested.  Some of them are good ideas for one team, some for both and some for neither.  But they’re usually just some guy’s random thoughts with no more basis in reality than anything on a BTV board…

AKA click bait

[Hugh2]

10 hours ago, notin said:

Someone is reportedly interested in Duran.  Is there equivalent interest in Abreu?

I'm sure there would be, I'm not sure why there wouldn't be.  He's a gold glover and mashes righties.  

Teams probably like Duran better, so it would make sense to ask for him first.  Maybe they think he'd be a little cheaper too seeing how he has less control. 

If the Sox see Duran as part of their long term plan the next three years more so than Abreu I could easily see them saying "well Duran isn't for sale, but how do you feel about Abreu?"

I'd suspect said team would either say, yes no or up the offer. 

Who knows, pure conjecture. 

[Hugh2]

I predicted Roman Anthony would be promoted to the big league club by June 1st.  I was wrong. 

[notin]

8 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I'm sure there would be, I'm not sure why there wouldn't be.  He's a gold glover and mashes righties.  

Teams probably like Duran better, so it would make sense to ask for him first.  Maybe they think he'd be a little cheaper too seeing how he has less control. 

If the Sox see Duran as part of their long term plan the next three years more so than Abreu I could easily see them saying "well Duran isn't for sale, but how do you feel about Abreu?"

I'd suspect said team would either say, yes no or up the offer. 

Who knows, pure conjecture. 

Duran has some clear appeal, but of the 4 outfielders he would be my preferred trade bait.  He’s a fun leadoff hitter to watch, but he just seems to have no real position defensively.

But I could see teams preferring Abreu for the reasons you mentioned.  They’re the reasons I like him..z

[mvp 78]

19 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I'm sure there would be, I'm not sure why there wouldn't be.  He's a gold glover and mashes righties.  

Teams probably like Duran better, so it would make sense to ask for him first.  Maybe they think he'd be a little cheaper too seeing how he has less control. 

If the Sox see Duran as part of their long term plan the next three years more so than Abreu I could easily see them saying "well Duran isn't for sale, but how do you feel about Abreu?"

I'd suspect said team would either say, yes no or up the offer. 

Who knows, pure conjecture. 

Wilyer is younger, a better hitter, a better fielder and has more years of control. Aside from Duran's speed, I don't know what else teams would prefer about him. 

[mvp 78]

20 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I predicted Roman Anthony would be promoted to the big league club by June 1st.  I was wrong. 

Yeah, way to go you friggin' idiot. Don't come back until you know the exact date. 

[Hugh2]

Hangs head low......walks away

[Hugh2]

10 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Wilyer is younger, a better hitter, a better fielder and has more years of control. Aside from Duran's speed, I don't know what else teams would prefer about him. 

For the reasons you stated, he would cost less. 

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Hangs head low......walks away

Tell that other Hugh he can stop by if you see him!

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

For the reasons you stated, he would cost less. 

Which one costs less? Duran? IDK. I'd peg that at about equal value. I think it depends on the needs of the other team. If a playoff team needs a leadoff guy, they could shell out for Duran. 

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Cardinals Predicted To Trade Top 2 Prospects For Red Sox All-Star

I'm not sure how good their top 2 are, but this seems like a deal Brez might make at the deadline.

 

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm not sure how good their top 2 are, but this seems like a deal Brez might make at the deadline.

 

If Brez makes this trade it's to get Anthony in the lineup, so it doesn't really fit the profile of a deadline trade.  More like something that could happen very soon or not at all.

[moonslav59]

12 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

If Brez makes this trade it's to get Anthony in the lineup, so it doesn't really fit the profile of a deadline trade.  More like something that could happen very soon or not at all.

It certainly could happen sooner, especially after Anthony gains the extra year of control.

Duran for prospects also fits the deadline punt narrative.

Could we see Brez play the "halfway" game Bloom tried too often?

Trade Duran, thinking we lose little by replacing him with Anthony, then trading for a "now" player?

[Bellhorn04]

11 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It certainly could happen sooner, especially after Anthony gains the extra year of control.

Duran for prospects also fits the deadline punt narrative.

Could we see Brez play the "halfway" game Bloom tried too often?

Trade Duran, thinking we lose little by replacing him with Anthony, then trading for a "now" player?

Breslow seems much more decisive than Bloom. 

[Hugh2]

34 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm not sure how good their top 2 are, but this seems like a deal Brez might make at the deadline.

 

They're were ranked by BA/MLB.com pre season as

Mathews 41/45

Wetherholt 25/23

In terms of value, it almost be like getting back Teel/Montgomery. 

 

If they decided to become sellers and figure they need to make room for Anthony, I'd certainly consider that trade. 

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Breslow seems much more decisive than Bloom. 

Not really saying that much. 

[Bellhorn04]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Not really saying that much. 

True.  I will modify.

Breslow seems pretty decisive.  He has pulled some triggers.  Not always with favorable outcomes, but I like that he's aggressive.

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

True.  I will modify.

Breslow seems pretty decisive.  He has pulled some triggers.  Not always with favorable outcomes, but I like that he's aggressive.

At times, he's been aggressive. I think the Sox main problem is "too many cooks." I think we saw that with the Bregman situation this offseason and Cora/Kennedy saying one thing to the media and Breslow believing something else internally. The longer stuff like this goes on, the more I see why any respectable CBO wouldn't take this job. No matter how good you are, if you don't do the move that Cora/Kennedy want, it's going to be painted as you being a schmuck in the media. 

[moonslav59]

54 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Breslow seems much more decisive than Bloom. 

I totally agree. I'm talking about building the farm to a top 3-5 ranking. Bloom was the major factor (Anthony, Mayer, Campbell, Arias, Romero, Valera, early & more.)

I like Brez way more.