Is Clemens rehabbing his Red Sox image?

[Brock Beauchamp]

I noticed he was in the booth the other day and I meant to bring it up here. Has the Rocket been rehabbing his image in Boston lately? I know the end of his tenure here was quite toxic and it seemed there was plenty of animosity to go around from all parties.

Putting aside PEDs and all of that, how do Boston fans feel about him nowadays? And has that changed in the past decade since he retired?

[moonslav59]

He used to live in the city I live, Sugar Land, TX. Now, he has some mansion in Houston.

I will never like Clemens. Impossible.

His affair with an underage girl is well known, down here. 

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/report-clemens-had-affair-underage-mindy-mccready--mlb.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJ82GO0uyiQU41WlUDLgNtVXXS0JuiaFroLINTXzbj1VFs7maak8XSS-tDdeWV41waU4S9ut2EeKkzYgvb66dDJG8XpB_q4id8-1kPIVn6mQvtFhdi2jfyeFZEkOdCYlkeUvA6cZbEPCdzvc6p-IU0SI2I8QKNJCtKh2Gns_A9bm

[mvp 78]

He burned his bridge a long time ago. He’s been on broadcasts a few times the past decade. Always been a surly, unlikeable guy going back to his playing days. I hope they never retire his number. 

[Bellhorn04]

He seems to have tried to rehab it, and I guess he succeeded with some.  I don't spend much mental energy thinking about him, honestly.  Hell of a pitcher, hell of a liar.  Just not a good guy.      

Respect to moon for not letting us forget about what he did to that girl.

 

[Old Red]

3 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I noticed he was in the booth the other day and I meant to bring it up here. Has the Rocket been rehabbing his image in Boston lately? I know the end of his tenure here was quite toxic and it seemed there was plenty of animosity to go around from all parties.

Putting aside PEDs and all of that, how do Boston fans feel about him nowadays? And has that changed in the past decade since he retired?

He does donate his time for the Jimmy Fund, and throws batting practice to raise money, so he is good for that.

[Maxbialystock]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

He seems to have tried to rehab it, and I guess he succeeded with some.  I don't spend much mental energy thinking about him, honestly.  Hell of a pitcher, hell of a liar.  Just not a good guy.      

Respect to moon for not letting us forget about what he did to that girl.

 

moonslav does do that.  In fact, I did not know about the girl.  I didn't like Clemens for breaking the rules, but this is much worse.  He is slime.  

[Jasonbay44]

4 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

He used to live in the city I live, Sugar Land, TX. Now, he has some mansion in Houston.

I will never like Clemens. Impossible.

His affair with an underage girl is well known, down here. 

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/report-clemens-had-affair-underage-mindy-mccready--mlb.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJ82GO0uyiQU41WlUDLgNtVXXS0JuiaFroLINTXzbj1VFs7maak8XSS-tDdeWV41waU4S9ut2EeKkzYgvb66dDJG8XpB_q4id8-1kPIVn6mQvtFhdi2jfyeFZEkOdCYlkeUvA6cZbEPCdzvc6p-IU0SI2I8QKNJCtKh2Gns_A9bm

Yikes. I always thought Clemens was a douche but that is disgusting.

[moonslav59]

9 hours ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Yikes. I always thought Clemens was a douche but that is disgusting.

I don't get why something widely known down here, does not get the media attention in New England.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

On 8/26/2024 at 6:41 PM, moonslav59 said:

He used to live in the city I live, Sugar Land, TX. Now, he has some mansion in Houston.

I will never like Clemens. Impossible.

His affair with an underage girl is well known, down here. 

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/report-clemens-had-affair-underage-mindy-mccready--mlb.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJ82GO0uyiQU41WlUDLgNtVXXS0JuiaFroLINTXzbj1VFs7maak8XSS-tDdeWV41waU4S9ut2EeKkzYgvb66dDJG8XpB_q4id8-1kPIVn6mQvtFhdi2jfyeFZEkOdCYlkeUvA6cZbEPCdzvc6p-IU0SI2I8QKNJCtKh2Gns_A9bm

McCready's own dad stated that the relationship did not turn physical until after Mindy broke off her engagement to Dean Cain, which was in 1998. She would have then been 23yrs old then.

But who knows what the truth is.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

McCready's own dad stated that the relationship did not turn physical until after Mindy broke off her engagement to Dean Cain, which was in 1998. She would have then been 23yrs old then.

But who knows what the truth is.

What kid would tell their dad the truth on this. It was admitted their was a "romance" that began when she was 16. He's a creep.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

What kid would tell their dad the truth on this. It was admitted their was a "romance" that began when she was 16. He's a creep.

Admitted by who?

[dgalehouse]

I have no idea whether the story is true or not. I know that both Clemens and the late Ms. McCready have admitted the affair while denying the underage part. Who knows if they were truthful ? The story is based on an anonymous source telling it to the New York Daily News. So, you can take that for whatever you think it's worth. 

[moonslav59]

19 minutes ago, dgalehouse said:

I have no idea whether the story is true or not. I know that both Clemens and the late Ms. McCready have admitted the affair while denying the underage part. Who knows if they were truthful ? The story is based on an anonymous source telling it to the New York Daily News. So, you can take that for whatever you think it's worth. 

She admitted meeting Clemens in a bar when she was 15, and then went to his hotel room. She refused to deny these facts.

She said, "I cannot refute anything in the story."  

She says they met numerous times, but denied having sex until she turned 18. This part is not anonymous, either, and one can choose to believe that, or not.

Clemens denied any physical affair at all, but then after she confirmed they did have one, his lawyer issued this tatement:

"At no time did Roger engage in any kind of inappropriate or improper relationship with her."

He lied. He's a cheat. He's a creep.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

4 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

She admitted meeting Clemens in a bar when she was 15, and then went to his hotel room. She refused to deny these facts.

She said, "I cannot refute anything in the story."  

She says they met numerous times, but denied having sex until she turned 18. This part is not anonymous, either, and one can choose to believe that, or not.

Clemens denied any physical affair at all, but then after she confirmed they did have one, his lawyer issued this tatement:

"At no time did Roger engage in any kind of inappropriate or improper relationship with her."

He lied. He's a cheat. He's a creep.

So she lied when she said nothing happened while she was underage?

[moonslav59]

18 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

So she lied when she said nothing happened while she was underage?

I'd say it is highly likely, but we may never know. Roger will never admit it. He still claims he never did steroids.

She did say this to Inside Edition: “He should have done right by his family,” McCready said to Inside Edition. “A person is unhappy in their marriage and spending all their personal time with someone else, you need to do right by your marriage. He should have just told Debbie (wife) and been honest with her. If he didn’t want to be with her and wanted to be with me, he should have told her. I have nothing but remorse and nothing but sympathy for what she’s had to go through with this situation, and she has my utmost apology.”

Apparently, the "source" for the original story claimed that when Roger met the 14 year old girl it was “love at first sight.” Clemens threw a shirt with his signature onto the stage where McCready was performing. This is how the relationship allegedly began, and would continue on for a decade.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

12 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I'd say it is highly likely, but we may never know. Roger will never admit it. He still claims he never did steroids.

She did say this to Inside Edition: “He should have done right by his family,” McCready said to Inside Edition. “A person is unhappy in their marriage and spending all their personal time with someone else, you need to do right by your marriage. He should have just told Debbie (wife) and been honest with her. If he didn’t want to be with her and wanted to be with me, he should have told her. I have nothing but remorse and nothing but sympathy for what she’s had to go through with this situation, and she has my utmost apology.”

Apparently, the "source" for the original story claimed that when Roger met the 14 year old girl it was “love at first sight.” Clemens threw a shirt with his signature onto the stage where McCready was performing. This is how the relationship allegedly began, and would continue on for a decade.

You say "highly likely" based on what?

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

You say "highly likely" based on what?

Based on the plausible theory that if Clemens was with her, he was probably WITH her.  If his intentions were pure he would have stayed far away from her at that age.  

Plus of course the fact that he's an inveterate liar. 

 

[moonslav59]

16 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

You say "highly likely" based on what?

Based on him being a serial liar, a jerk and a an egomaniac.

Based on the opinion of the guy behind the report that said it was "love at first sight."

Do you think it is highly likely, they went to his hotel room and just watched TV? Please answe rthis, and give a reason why.

Why was the girl apologizing to Debbie Clemens, if nothing happened?

[mvp 78]

I really love this slippery slope we're going down with this conversation. Relitigating allegations from years ago that are second, third and fourth hand probably may not go well for this board. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you'll crack the case wide open. 

Clemens: known jerk and possible creep

Rehabilitation likelihood: not likely at this time

[Bellhorn04]

I think the Mindy McCready story has to be part of any evaluation of Clemens as a human being.  Just like if we're talking about Cora as a person we can't leave out the cheating part.   

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I think the Mindy McCready story has to be part of any evaluation of Clemens as a human being.  Just like if we're talking about Cora as a person we can't leave out the cheating part.   

I get it. I'm not saying ignore it. 

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

I get it. I'm not saying ignore it. 

I get what you're saying too.   

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

49 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Based on the plausible theory that if Clemens was with her, he was probably WITH her.  If his intentions were pure he would have stayed far away from her at that age.  

Plus of course the fact that he's an inveterate liar. 

 

So, based on your opinion and nothing else. Got it, thanks.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

35 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Based on him being a serial liar, a jerk and a an egomaniac.

Based on the opinion of the guy behind the report that said it was "love at first sight."

Do you think it is highly likely, they went to his hotel room and just watched TV? Please answe rthis, and give a reason why.

Why was the girl apologizing to Debbie Clemens, if nothing happened?

Based on the opinion of the infamous "anonymous source".

And she apologized for having the affair, but that doesn't mean that it occurred while she was underage.

And just because he may be a jerk and the fact that you don't like him doesn't change that.

[moonslav59]

31 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Based on the opinion of the infamous "anonymous source".

And she apologized for having the affair, but that doesn't mean that it occurred while she was underage.

And just because he may be a jerk and the fact that you don't like him doesn't change that.

I asked why you think it did not happen, and you answered "based on the "anonymous source." I gave my reasons, and recognized there is some doubt. I'm still waiting for your reason for thinking it was not "likely" to have happended.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I asked why you think it did not happen, and you answered "based on the "anonymous source." I gave my reasons, and recognized there is some doubt. I'm still waiting for your reason for thinking it was not "likely" to have happended.

I never stated that I think it did or did not happen.

I'm just not going to convict the guy on anonymous hearsay, especially when her own dad stated that nothing happened physically until she was of age.

Most fathers (not all) wouldn't defend a guy that was diddling his underage daughter.

[Bellhorn04]

3 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

I never stated that I think it did or did not happen.

I'm just not going to convict the guy on anonymous hearsay, especially when her own dad stated that nothing happened physically until she was of age.

Most fathers (not all) wouldn't defend a guy that was diddling his underage daughter.

Was her father always there when the two were together?  Why are you placing any reliance on that?  Isn't that hearsay too?

Parents tend to want to give the benefit of the doubt to their children.

 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Was her father always there when the two were together?

Parents tend to want to give the benefit of the doubt to their children.

 

Understood.

But he was probably around a heck of a lot more than some "anonymous source"

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

I never stated that I think it did or did not happen.

I'm just not going to convict the guy on anonymous hearsay, especially when her own dad stated that nothing happened physically until she was of age.

Most fathers (not all) wouldn't defend a guy that was diddling his underage daughter.

So, the father defending Clemens is the reason you do think it is not likely they did anything before she was 18.

IMO, just bringing a 15 year old girl to your hotel room is highly inappropriate, and I am pretty certain something happened during at least one of the times they were together before she turned 18. I'm not convicting him of anything. I think he did it. Most people around here do, too. People who know Clemens.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

17 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

So, the father defending Clemens is the reason you do think it is not likely they did anything before she was 18.

IMO, just bringing a 15 year old girl to your hotel room is highly inappropriate, and I am pretty certain something happened during at least one of the times they were together before she turned 18. I'm not convicting him of anything. I think he did it. Most people around here do, too. People who know Clemens.

I never stated that I think he did or did not. I don't really know much about the subject other than what I recently googled. I didn't find anything about him bringing a 15yr old to his hotel.