Red Sox Starting Rotation 2023

[moonslav59]

Maybe McGuire should DH and Turner play 1B.

[Hugh2]

Maybe McGuire should DH and Turner play 1B.

 

And let Casas ride the bench and not develop?

[moonslav59]

And let Casas ride the bench and not develop?

 

1. He could play in AAA and work on his hitting.

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2. He could sit vs some tough lefties.

 

I'm not talking about a permanent move, but with the way this team is hitting, our best (hottest) batters need to get ABs.

[Hugh2]

1. He could play in AAA and work on his hitting.

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2. He could sit vs some tough lefties.

 

I'm not talking about a permanent move, but with the way this team is hitting, our best (hottest) batters need to get ABs.

 

Just because a guy isn’t hitting MLB pitching doesn’t mean AAA is going to do him any good.

 

At a certain point you master a level and you need to learn to hit MLB pitching by hitting MLB pitching. There’s no way Casas gets less rope to figure it out than Dalbec did.

 

Sending him down now is giving up on him. I’m out on that, not this soon. Good things come to those who wait, as Sox fans we should know that.

[moonslav59]

Just because a guy isn’t hitting MLB pitching doesn’t mean AAA is going to do him any good.

 

At a certain point you master a level and you need to learn to hit MLB pitching by hitting MLB pitching. There’s no way Casas gets less rope to figure it out than Dalbec did.

 

Sending him down now is giving up on him. I’m out on that, not this soon. Good things come to those who wait, as Sox fans we should know that.

 

I don't think sending him down is giving up, but it's certainly not a vote of confidence. (I do see it as a way to work out something with his swing that is bothering him.)

 

I'm not saying option 1 is the best choice, either. I do think we need to try to improve our offense, and right now, McGuire is one of our best hitters, and he has been since last August.

 

Best Sox OPS since 8/1/22:

.892 McGuire

.889 Story

.829 Dugo

.800 Bogey

.769 Turner

.743 JD

.716 Dalbec

.784 Refsnyder

 

[Hugh2]

I don't think sending him down is giving up, but it's certainly not a vote of confidence. (I do see it as a way to work out something with his swing that is bothering him.)

 

I'm not saying option 1 is the best choice, either. I do think we need to try to improve our offense, and right now, McGuire is one of our best hitters, and he has been since last August.

 

Best Sox OPS since 8/1/22:

.892 McGuire

.889 Story

.829 Dugo

.800 Bogey

.769 Turner

.743 JD

.716 Dalbec

.784 Refsnyder

 

 

I'm not messing with a guy's development who has the ceiling Casas does. He's mastered every level, he has nothing to prove in AAA. He needs to learn to adjust to MLB pitching. He is only going to do that by facing MLB pitching.

 

It's like Pedey all over again. He has a good plate approach, he's grinding it out right now and he will figure it out. Freaking out and making moves prematurely because guys are struggling is not a winning strategy. So much pressure shouldn't even be on Casas to hit, it's not his fault that other guys aren't performing either. Should we demote Kike Hernandez? or get rid of Yoshida prematurely? maybe it's time to DFA Arroyo. Connor Wong isn't exactly lighting the world on fire. Imagine if we gave up on Whitlock after his first start, and yet people reverted right back to bashing Bello after one. You always struck me as a bit more even-tempered than someone willing to give up on a prospect not even 3 weeks into the season.

 

Just because a guy is struggling to adjust against MLB pitching, doesn't mean sending him down will do any good. If anything it is going to DELAY his mlb development.

[Hugh2]

We are 4th in MLB in runs scored. We can afford to let Casas adjust to MLB pitching, and reap the rewards at some point this season.

[mvp 78]

We are 4th in MLB in runs scored. We can afford to let Casas adjust to MLB pitching, and reap the rewards at some point this season.

 

If Casas was the problem with the offense, maybe we'd sit him.

 

The problem also resides with:

Kiké 60 wRC+ (98 over last week tho)

Arroyo -1 wRC+

Wong 48 wRC+

Yoshida 64 wRC+ (0 for last 20)

 

You can't sit all of them. I see a path forward for Casas, not really for some of the others above.

[moonslav59]

I'm not messing with a guy's development who has the ceiling Casas does. He's mastered every level, he has nothing to prove in AAA. He needs to learn to adjust to MLB pitching. He is only going to do that by facing MLB pitching.

 

It's like Pedey all over again. He has a good plate approach, he's grinding it out right now and he will figure it out. Freaking out and making moves prematurely because guys are struggling is not a winning strategy. So much pressure shouldn't even be on Casas to hit, it's not his fault that other guys aren't performing either. Should we demote Kike Hernandez? or get rid of Yoshida prematurely? maybe it's time to DFA Arroyo. Connor Wong isn't exactly lighting the world on fire. Imagine if we gave up on Whitlock after his first start, and yet people reverted right back to bashing Bello after one. You always struck me as a bit more even-tempered than someone willing to give up on a prospect not even 3 weeks into the season.

 

Just because a guy is struggling to adjust against MLB pitching, doesn't mean sending him down will do any good. If anything it is going to DELAY his mlb development.

 

I'm not asking him to prove himself, again.

 

It may help him to work things out without hurting the big club. I'm also suggesting maybe he just sit a few games, especially vs LHPs.

 

We need McGuire's bat in the line-up- any other suggestions?

[moonslav59]

If Casas was the problem with the offense, maybe we'd sit him.

 

The problem also resides with:

Kiké 60 wRC+ (98 over last week tho)

Arroyo -1 wRC+

Wong 48 wRC+

Yoshida 64 wRC+ (0 for last 20)

 

You can't sit all of them. I see a path forward for Casas, not really for some of the others above.

 

I'm not convinced on the CERA early numbers, so maybe just starting McGuire at catcher more.

 

I don't see better options replacing the others.

[notin]

Maybe McGuire should DH and Turner play 1B.

 

Or at least move up in the lineup…

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not convinced on the CERA early numbers, so maybe just starting McGuire at catcher more.

 

Fortunately Cora sees it otherwise.

[mvp 78]

Maybe McGuire should DH and Turner play 1B.

 

There is another...

 

@WooSoxUK

Alfaro hit streak is now 12 with 18 hits and 10 RBIs

[notin]

There is another...

 

@WooSoxUK

Alfaro hit streak is now 12 with 18 hits and 10 RBIs

 

The Savior!!!

[Bellhorn04]

The Savior!!!

 

Wong.

[mvp 78]

Wong.

 

I like Wong. I wish his bat would develop a little more. I'm glad that he's working out behind the plate. He seems like a serviceable backup.

[Bellhorn04]

I like Wong. I wish his bat would develop a little more. I'm glad that he's working out behind the plate. He seems like a serviceable backup.

 

He might even be a serviceable #1.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

There is another...

 

@WooSoxUK

Alfaro hit streak is now 12 with 18 hits and 10 RBIs

 

Thanks, but we're apparently all set with one non-platoon righty bat in the daily line-up.

[mvp 78]

He might even be a serviceable #1.

 

Not with what his bat looks like right now.

 

Blocks Above Average:

Wong: 0

McGuire: 2

Vaz: 3

 

Framing Runs:

Wong: 0

McGuire: 3

Vaz: 1

 

He's still got some work to do to be a #1 guy.

[mvp 78]

Thanks, but we're apparently all set with one non-platoon righty bat in the daily line-up.

 

You just don't like fun.

[mvp 78]

@SPChrisHatfield

Interesting note in the WooSox game notes: James Paxton will make his next rehab appearance tomorrow, and he will follow an opener. Very curious why that is.

 

Potentially getting him used to entering a game in relief?

[Bellhorn04]

@SPChrisHatfield

Interesting note in the WooSox game notes: James Paxton will make his next rehab appearance tomorrow, and he will follow an opener. Very curious why that is.

 

Potentially getting him used to entering a game in relief?

 

No doubt.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

@SPChrisHatfield

Interesting note in the WooSox game notes: James Paxton will make his next rehab appearance tomorrow, and he will follow an opener. Very curious why that is.

 

Potentially getting him used to entering a game in relief?

 

He's definitely going to crack a vertebrae or rib jumping onto someone else's shoulders, locking arms and legs around them. But it might be the bottom man's...

[Maxbialystock]

Not with what his bat looks like right now.

 

Blocks Above Average:

Wong: 0

McGuire: 2

Vaz: 3

 

Framing Runs:

Wong: 0

McGuire: 3

Vaz: 1

 

He's still got some work to do to be a #1 guy.

 

I'm sure those stats are correct, but Wong's DWAR is +0.5 to McGuire's -0.1.

 

They both have the same WAR: +0.3.

 

And that's kind of the way I see it--Cora can go with either one. Plus Wong bats righty, McGuire lefty.

 

I think CERA has some legitimacy, but last night I thought Sale was great because his practice session straightened him out. He was hitting spots way better than the game before in Tampa.

[Maxbialystock]

Maybe McGuire should DH and Turner play 1B.

 

DH or even 1B. Agree good bats should play every day or almost every day.

[Maxbialystock]

No doubt.

 

And let's not forget the Rays technique of starting a reliever who goes 1 inning and is followed by someone who pitches several innings.

[notin]

I'm sure those stats are correct, but Wong's DWAR is +0.5 to McGuire's -0.1.

 

They both have the same WAR: +0.3.

 

And that's kind of the way I see it--Cora can go with either one. Plus Wong bats righty, McGuire lefty.

 

I think CERA has some legitimacy, but last night I thought Sale was great because his practice session straightened him out. He was hitting spots way better than the game before in Tampa.

 

Tampa has the best offense in the AL. Minnesota actually is at or near the bottom. Those might be factors, too…

[moonslav59]

And let's not forget the Rays technique of starting a reliever who goes 1 inning and is followed by someone who pitches several innings.

 

Sometimes, the start a righty, then bring in a lefty in the second or third inning.

[moonslav59]

DH or even 1B. Agree good bats should play every day or almost every day.

 

I'm not really for demoting Casas or benching him, but McGuire needs to be in the line-up.

 

He only has 4 PAs vs LHPs, so maybe he gets a short leash, there.

 

Wong has started 3 games vs a RH'd SP'er. (IMO, that should stop, of McGuire needs to play somewhere else when a RH'er starts.)

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not really for demoting Casas or benching him, but McGuire needs to be in the line-up.

 

He only has 4 PAs vs LHPs, so maybe he gets a short leash, there.

 

Wong has started 3 games vs a RH'd SP'er. (IMO, that should stop, of McGuire needs to play somewhere else when a RH'er starts.)

 

How is Cora going to evaluate pitcher-catcher matchups if he doesn't start Wong against any righties?