2023 Prospects

[moonslav59]

Pitching projections (I am not counting MLB players slotted for rehab assignments on opening day:)

 

AAA SP'ers:

Bello will almost certainly get a promotion to MLB at some point.

Mata should see ML action in '23.

Walter should, too.

Murphy might get a look- maybe in the pen.

Gudino should not. (Santos on IL)

AAA RP'ers

Ort may see time

Mosqueda may not

Shugart, Dermody, Feltman- and others hopefully will not, unless they are doing well.

 

AA

SP: Drohan should move up when a AAA SP'er is promoted. Van Belle, Liu, Sharp and Olds do not impress me.

RP: Denlinger is the unknown. Zeferjahn, Webb and Cellucci may move up to AAA.

 

A+

SP: Wikelman & Uberstine (to AA?) Angel Bastardo and Juan Encarnacion (maybe?) Dobbins & Gambrell (Beni trade) are long shots

RP: Guerrero is promising

 

A-

SP: Perales and E R-C could certainly move to A+ or even AA by season's end. Paez and Rogers might be promoted.

RP: Hoppe & Sena (who knows?)

 

Note: I am far from an expert on prospect evaluation. These are just my opinions.

 

[moonslav59]

A look at Bloom's prospects and how they were acquired:

 

(Only players still in the system)

 

Rule 5:

Whitlock (Ranked 4th in 2021)

Ort

 

Draft:

1. Mayer

5. Yorke

7. Romero

9. Anthony

15. Jordan

18. Hickey

19. E Rodrigues-Cruz

20. Kavadas

21. Coffey

22. Drohan

25. Brannon

28. Paez

29. Guerrero

30. McDonough

34. Uberstine

36. Meidroth

47. N Dean

51. W Olds

53. D Rogers

55. H Dobbins

56. D McElveny

 

IFA:

3. Bleis

28. Paez

32. F Encarnacion

45. Ravelo

49. Y Cespedes

J Garcia, Polanco, F De Leon, F Arias, Y Ruiz

 

Trade:

Winckowski (Beni) was ranked 9th in '22

Wong (Betts) ranked 12th in '20

17. Valdez (Vaz)

24. Abreu (Vaz)

26. DHamilton (Renfroe)

33. Koss (Aybar)

35. Binelas (Renfroe)

38. RHern (Springs & Mazza)

41. Broadway (Diekman)

46. Denlinger (German who was traded for and ranked 25 in '22)

60. Santos (Chatham)

 

MiLFA:

23. Kelly

 

DD's Kids:

Bello ranked 3rd in '22

Houck ranked 3rd in '18

Duran ranked 3rd in '21

Dalbec ranked 5th in '20

Crawford ranked 23rd in '22

2. Casas draft

4. Rafaela IFA

6. Mata IFA

8. Walter draft

10. Perales IFA

11. Paulino IFA

12. Wikelman IFA

13. Murphy draft

14. Lugo draft

16. Bonaci IFA

27. Fernandez draft

Alcantara, Salazar, Jimenez, Scott, Bastardo, JEncarnacion, Castro, Mosquedo, ELopez

 

[Larry Cook]

Pitching projections (I am not counting MLB players slotted for rehab assignments on opening day:)

 

AAA SP'ers:

Bello will almost certainly get a promotion to MLB at some point.

Mata should see ML action in '23.

Walter should, too.

Murphy might get a look- maybe in the pen.

Gudino should not. (Santos on IL)

AAA RP'ers

Ort may see time

Mosqueda may not

Shugart, Dermody, Feltman- and others hopefully will not, unless they are doing well.

 

AA

SP: Drohan should move up when a AAA SP'er is promoted. Van Belle, Liu, Sharp and Olds do not impress me.

RP: Denlinger is the unknown. Zeferjahn, Webb and Cellucci may move up to AAA.

 

A+

SP: Wikelman & Uberstine (to AA?) Angel Bastardo and Juan Encarnacion (maybe?) Dobbins & Gambrell (Beni trade) are long shots

RP: Guerrero is promising

 

A-

SP: Perales and E R-C could certainly move to A+ or even AA by season's end. Paez and Rogers might be promoted.

RP: Hoppe & Sena (who knows?)

 

Note: I am far from an expert on prospect evaluation. These are just my opinions.

 

 

Has our minor league pitching system ever looked so pathetic????

[notin]

Has our minor league pitching system ever looked so pathetic????

 

2017

 

The pitching was headlined by Jay Groome, who would throw 55 IP that year followed by 4 IP total over the next two years. In early 2017, the pitchers after Groome were named like Lakins, Johnson, and Shawaryn…

[moonslav59]

Has our minor league pitching system ever looked so pathetic????

 

YES! From 2 to maybe 10 years ago!

 

Since Lester in 2005, Papelbon in 2006 and Buch in 2007, we've had very little to get excited about. The few we had were traded away (Masterson, Kelly, Espinoza, Kopech), got hurt (Groome & others), fizzled out (Bowden, Ranaudo, Owens, Johnson, DHern) or 2 or 3 of the above.

 

If you want to count Masterson or Bard (2008-2009) or Barnes (2012-2013,) fine, but since then, we've only seen Houck and the Rule 5 guy, Whitlock, make an impact. One can say Whitlock was not a product of our farm, since he never pitched on the farm, except for rehabs.

 

Whitlock, Houck and Bello have graduated from 2021-2022. That's the best we've seen in a very long time, but the 8 years prior to that were god-awful.

 

Here is a list of those 8 years top ranked pitching prospects all together:

(Highest ranking on soxprospects.com from 2013, when Barnes graduated to 2020, when Houck was promoted.)

 

1 ERod (acquired and not really a product of our farm- only pitched 85 IP in Sox minors before call-up))

2 Owens

2 Espinoza (traded)

2 DHern

3 Webster (acquired)

5 Kopech (traded)

5 Ruby de la Rosa (acquired)

6 Ranaudo

6 Johnson

9 T Ball

9 Workman

9 T Lakins

10 Beeks (traded)

11 Drake Britton

13 Logan Allen (traded)

 

One can argue, looking at the results of the list above, and not counting ERod, Webster & RDLR, our current pitching prospect list is pretty close to as good, than that whole 8 year period combined turned out to be. If we could count Bello, it would be even closer, IMO.

 

(Bello)

Mata

Walter

Perales

Murphy

Wikelman

E R-C

Drohan

Kelly

Fernandez

Paez

Guerrero, Uberstine, Denlinger, Dean, Rogers, J Encarnacion, Broadway, Bastardo, Olds, Dobbins, Shugart, Santos

 

 

 

 

 

[mvp 78]

@gfstarr1

A little Red Sox prospects news:

Ceddanne Rafaela will begin the 2023 MiLB season in Double-A Portland.

 

@SPChrisHatfield

Almost speculated this earlier (and if our website editing access weren't down, we'd have updated this projection last night), as he didn't head north with the Worcester guys this weekend.

Camp showed he still has plenty to work on. Meanwhile, crowded group in Worcester.

[mvp 78]

https://twitter.com/KatieMo61/status/1641118394865930241

 

AAA Opening Day Roster has been posted.

 

Some interesting bits to note:

Abreu in AAA (was projected at one point for AA)

No Christian Koss?

Whitlock gets Opening Day start

Rafaela is in AA

Mosqueda listed on roster (some projected he would get Ort's bullpen slot)

Sherriff is in AAA

Edited March 29, 2023 by mvp 78

[notin]

https://twitter.com/KatieMo61/status/1641118394865930241

 

AAA Opening Day Roster has been posted.

 

Some interesting bits to note:

Abreu in AAA (was projected at one point for AA)

No Christian Koss?

Whitlock gets Opening Day start

Rafaela is in AA

Mosqueda listed on roster (some projected he would get Ort's bullpen slot)

Sherriff is in AAA

 

The underscored message here is Ort made the parent club…

[sk7326]

https://twitter.com/KatieMo61/status/1641118394865930241

 

AAA Opening Day Roster has been posted.

 

Some interesting bits to note:

Abreu in AAA (was projected at one point for AA)

No Christian Koss?

Whitlock gets Opening Day start

Rafaela is in AA

Mosqueda listed on roster (some projected he would get Ort's bullpen slot)

Sherriff is in AAA

 

Not a shock. Rafaela has work to do. We also know that lately - in general - the team's best prospects have not spent much time in AAA anyway.

[mvp 78]

The underscored message here is Ort made the parent club…

 

For now? They can always make a change tonight if they need to.

[notin]

For now? They can always make a change tonight if they need to.

 

They’ve needed to for months…

[moonslav59]

Minor League Baseball has agreed to a contract.

 

Maximum organizational players will go from 180 to 165 in 2024.

 

Some hefty salary increases:

 

$4,800> $19,800 Complex

$11,000> $26,200 A-

$11,000> $27,300 A+

$13,800> $30,250 AA

$17,500> $35,800 AAA

 

Plus medical and pension improvements.

 

No team reduction for at least 5 years.

 

 

 

 

[sk7326]

Minor League Baseball has agreed to a contract.

 

Maximum organizational players will go from 180 to 165 in 2024.

 

Some hefty salary increases:

 

$4,800> $19,800 Complex

$11,000> $26,200 A-

$11,000> $27,300 A+

$13,800> $30,250 AA

$17,500> $35,800 AAA

 

Plus medical and pension improvements.

 

No team reduction for at least 5 years.

 

 

 

 

 

It's still not good - but full season players are being paid enough to live more or less.

[moonslav59]

It's still not good - but full season players are being paid enough to live more or less.

 

Agreed.

 

It was shocking, to me, to see what these guys have been being paid.

[mvp 78]

First WOO lineup of the year:

 

1. Jarren Duran- CF

2. David Hamilton- SS (#26 on the #SP60)

3. Bobby Dalbec- 1B

4. Enmanuel Valdez- 2B (#17)

5. Jorge Alfaro- C

6. Daniel Palka- DH

7. Niko Goodrum- 3B

8. Ryan Fitzgerald- RF (#54)

9. Greg Allen- LF

[a700hitter]

First WOO lineup of the year:

 

1. Jarren Duran- CF

2. David Hamilton- SS (#26 on the #SP60)

3. Bobby Dalbec- 1B

4. Enmanuel Valdez- 2B (#17)

5. Jorge Alfaro- C

6. Daniel Palka- DH

7. Niko Goodrum- 3B

8. Ryan Fitzgerald- RF (#54)

9. Greg Allen- LF

A bunch of busted prospects. The MLB team can't expect any help from that collection.

[moonslav59]

A bunch of busted prospects. The MLB team can't expect any help from that collection.

 

We might get more help from AA, but maybe Valdez or Bobby Dee give us something. D Hamilton might bring only speed to the big club, this year.

 

The WOO rotation looks to be more promising:

 

Whitlock (opening day SP on rehab), Mata (6), Walter (8), Murphy (13) and Gudino.

[Larry Cook]

A bunch of busted prospects. The MLB team can't expect any help from that collection.

 

Dalbec and Valdez might provide some help.

 

Although we should not ask Valdez to play defense. He is a menace on the field.

[notin]

A bunch of busted prospects. The MLB team can't expect any help from that collection.

 

Only the top 4 are even eligible.

 

And all AAA teams are loaded with borderline veterans. AAA ball is barely considered the farm anymore…

[moonslav59]

We already have a few AAA players on the 26, due to injuries.

 

A fully healthy team would be:

 

Sale, Kluber, Paxton, Whitlock, Pivetta

Jansen, Houck, Martin, Schreiber, Rodriguez, Brasier, Bleier, Ort

McGuire, Wong, Casas, Arroyo, Mondesi, Kike, Devers, Story

Yoshida, Duvall, Verdugo, Refsnyder, Turner

 

That would leave ML-ready talent in AAA as...

40 Man Roster Only

Bello, Mata, Walter, Murphy

Crawford, Winckowski

Kelly, Mills

Dalbec, Valdez, Chang, Hamilton, Tapia, Duran, Abreu & Rafaela (AA)

 

Others not on the 40:

SP: Gudino

RP: Sheriff, Mosqueda, Shugart, Dermody, Fernandez (AA)

C: Alfaro, RHern, CHamilton

1B: Kavadas (AA)

2B: Sogard, Yorke (AA 2024)

3B: Goodrum, Lugo (AA)

SS: Fitzy, Koss (AA)

OF: Allen, Crook, Wilson, Sikes (AA)

 

This is not as bad as the AAA team we have, now, looks.

[Larry Cook]

Walter looked terrible today. He served up a lot of meatballs

[moonslav59]

Last night, WOO won 11-2.

 

Whitlock 4 IP, 6 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 6 K

 

Hamilton 3-5 w HR

Allen 2-4 w HR and BB

 

Today, WOO lost badly, 16-6

Walter 3.2 IP 7H, 5 ER, 2BB, 1 K

CHamilton 2-3 w 2BB and HR

Alfaro 2-5 w 2B

 

[Larry Cook]

Last night, WOO won 11-2.

 

Whitlock 4 IP, 6 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 6 K

 

Hamilton 3-5 w HR

Allen 2-4 w HR and BB

 

Today, WOO lost badly, 16-6

Walter 3.2 IP 7H, 5 ER, 2BB, 1 K

CHamilton 2-3 w 2BB and HR

Alfaro 2-5 w 2B

 

 

In fairness to Walter, four ground balls made it out of the infield.

[moonslav59]

In fairness to Walter, four ground balls made it out of the infield.

 

I think he'll right the ship, and we'll see him in the bigs, at some point, this year.

[mvp 78]

I think he'll right the ship, and we'll see him in the bigs, at some point, this year.

 

But Caleb Hamilton's CERA!!! I thought he was supposed to be a good defensive catcher?

[moonslav59]

But Caleb Hamilton's CERA!!! I thought he was supposed to be a good defensive catcher?

 

Time will tell. Maybe, they got their numbers wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

 

I'm still hopeful they got their guy.

[mvp 78]

Sea Dogs Opening Day - 4/6

Drive Opening Day - 4/6

Salem Sox Opening Day - 4/6

FCL Red Sox - June

DSL Red Sox - June

[mvp 78]

Dalbec has started at 3B, SS and 1B in WOO.

 

WOO Manager:

 

“For right now, he’ll play mostly in the infield, but I told him, for the time being, when you’re done in the infield and you’re feeling good, get out and shag some fly balls at the corner outfield spots,” Tracy said. “We’re trying to maximize his ability so he’s able to play different spots. For now we’ll toy with him getting reps and getting balls off the bat and getting used to reads in the corner, and we’ll see where it’s at as far as games there.”

 

He's also wearing prescription glasses while hitting now.

[moonslav59]

Dalbec has started at 3B, SS and 1B in WOO.

 

WOO Manager:

 

“For right now, he’ll play mostly in the infield, but I told him, for the time being, when you’re done in the infield and you’re feeling good, get out and shag some fly balls at the corner outfield spots,” Tracy said. “We’re trying to maximize his ability so he’s able to play different spots. For now we’ll toy with him getting reps and getting balls off the bat and getting used to reads in the corner, and we’ll see where it’s at as far as games there.”

 

He's also wearing prescription glasses while hitting now.

 

I'd like to see him get more OF play.

 

I hope the glasses help.

 

Had Jim Ed wore glasses, maybe his career would have been extended.

[mvp 78]

WOOSox game in Buffalo postponed due to bad field conditions. Bison's tarp ripped this weekend. They were gifted a secondary tarp by the Rochester Red Wings, but last night's rainwater leaked through it.

 

Is McCoy available?