2023 Free Agents

[Old Red]

It doesn't bother me you think we overpaid even a tiny bit. It's how you switch around the criteria to fit your opinion and make it sound like your "facts" count more than others, while saying we always do that to you. (We all do it, maybe unintentionally.)

 

Why does what Beni did last year and over the last 4 years count, but last March, you totally dismissed what Kike did his previous year and 4 years?

 

"That was last year," we heard over and over- like it doesn't count or "prove" anything, yet Beni's recent history "proves" he's legit and Yoshida is not, until he "proves it."

You still haven’t figured it out that I only rag on Kike, because he his your boy toy, and I just don’t value him nowhere’s near as high as you do. .

[Old Red]

Should the Sox ignore international markets then? Surely the likes of Bogaerts, Devers, Bello, and others in the pipeline have been enough to excite the fans?

 

Did they pay any of those $100M+ to start with? They didn’t even offer Bogey $100M last offseason.

[Hugh2]

Did they pay any of those $100M+ to start with? They didn’t even offer Bogey $100M last offseason.

 

Different market, Yoshida was a free agent. We’ve seen PLENTY of talent come over from Japan and succeed over the years, I listed pro guys too. Nomo, Tanaka, Ichiro, Ohtani. Should the Sox just ignore the international market because a guy might bust?

 

Bogey has nothing to do with this conversation, he has no bearing on whether or not the international market should be pursued.

[Old Red]

Thought of the morning.

 

It was argued back here some time ago, but I can’t remember who I had the disagreement with.

 

That Kike Hernandez was a good extension, and he would have got substantially more if he went to free agency than 10/1 year.

 

I think this years FA class has proven my point. Kike looks like a steal now.

If Kike plays like 2021 it’s a steal, but on the other hand if Kike plays like 2022 it’s Kike doing the stealing. Time will tell who does the stealing.

[moonslav59]

My clear, and obvious point in the first place was Yoshida has done nothing in MLBaseball, and Rusney was just another example of the same who turned out to be a bust, and Beni who has done plenty in MLBaseball most likely will continue to do so. Might not be to his standard in his earlier days with Boston, but we shall see. Like I say repeatedly it’s always someone else missing the point with you, and never you missing the point, or as you try to say. Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

You brought up Sale, Pablo and CC, not me. Bringing them up helped prove my point about MLB projections being conjecture, too.

 

Yes, Rusney and others prove Japanese players are conjecture as well. Nobody is denying that.

[Old Red]

Different market, Yoshida was a free agent. We’ve seen PLENTY of talent come over from Japan and succeed over the years, I listed pro guys too. Nomo, Tanaka, Ichiro, Ohtani. Should the Sox just ignore the international market because a guy might bust?

 

Bogey has nothing to do with this conversation, he has no bearing on whether or not the international market should be pursued.

Suzuki wasn’t worth the hype, or the money this past year, which is a better more recent example.

[Hugh2]

If Kike plays like 2021 it’s a steal, but on the other hand if Kike plays like 2022 it’s Kike doing the stealing. Time will tell who does the stealing.

 

You effectively just made the same exact argument I made about Benintendi.

 

Congratulations we agreed on something.

[moonslav59]

Like I say repeatedly it’s always someone else missing the point with you, and never you missing the point, or as you try to say. Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

I didn't miss your point, and I still get it 100%. I'm just pointing out you contradict yourself by shifting criteria and don't recognize that bringing up failed signings of MLB players who have "proven they are good" to support Beni as a better pick over Yoshida is laughable, and that's being nice.

[moonslav59]

Should the Sox ignore international markets then? Surely the likes of Bogaerts, Devers, Bello, and others in the pipeline have been enough to excite the fans?

 

...and Moncada got us Sale.

[Hugh2]

Suzuki wasn’t worth the hype, or the money this past year, which is a better more recent example.

 

Yoshida plays in a different league than Suzuki, same league Ichiro came from that is considered more advanced with much better pitching.

 

Also wouldn’t discount that Suzuki could get better as rookies do sometimes. It’s also not like he was horrible, he put up a .770 OPS

[moonslav59]

You still haven’t figured it out that I only rag on Kike, because he his your boy toy, and I just don’t value him nowhere’s near as high as you do. .

 

Oh, so you were just trolling me, because I liked Kike more than you. Got it.

 

Quick question, why does Beni's last season or 1, 2, 3 ... seasons matter more than Kike's did after 2021? Just to bust my balls?

 

Admit you shift your criteria like the wind.

[Hugh2]

Yoshida plays in a different league than Suzuki, same league Ichiro came from that is considered more advanced with much better pitching.

 

Also wouldn’t discount that Suzuki could get better as rookies do sometimes. It’s also not like he was horrible, he put up a .770 OPS

 

In a sense Red….you kind of just made the argument that Yoshida should be much better than Suzuki and his .770 ops. Which means he should be a great MLB player.

 

Thank you

[moonslav59]

If Kike plays like 2021 it’s a steal, but on the other hand if Kike plays like 2022 it’s Kike doing the stealing. Time will tell who does the stealing.

 

Couldn't the same be said of Beni by selecting certain years to compare?

 

Doesn't Yoshida's consistency add some value in this comp with Beni?

 

[Old Red]

You brought up Sale, Pablo and CC, not me. Bringing them up helped prove my point about MLB projections being conjecture, too.

 

Yes, Rusney and others prove Japanese players are conjecture as well. Nobody is denying that.

I brought up the others in another conversation, but you just lumped them together, and I was just agreeing that everybody signs bad contracts that don’t workout that I’ve not disagreed about, but every situation is different, and so is playing in Boston that makes things difficult, and different to some. If Yoshida works out I’ll be the first to pat Bloom on the back, and say I was wrong like I did with Wacha, but if things don’t work out I’ll be the first to open the door, and slam the door shut, on Bloom’s way out of town. Seems fair to me.

[Old Red]

You effectively just made the same exact argument I made about Benintendi.

 

Congratulations we agreed on something.

 

Your welcome!

[Old Red]

Couldn't the same be said of Beni by selecting certain years to compare?

 

Doesn't Yoshida's consistency add some value in this comp with Beni?

 

What part of Yoshida hasn’t played in the majors don’t you understand? Yoshida’s consistency in Japan was in Japan.

[Old Red]

Couldn't the same be said of Beni by selecting certain years to compare?

 

Doesn't Yoshida's consistency add some value in this comp with Beni?

 

 

What does this have to do with who’s doing the stealing?

[Old Red]

Yoshida plays in a different league than Suzuki, same league Ichiro came from that is considered more advanced with much better pitching.

 

Also wouldn’t discount that Suzuki could get better as rookies do sometimes. It’s also not like he was horrible, he put up a .770 OPS

The point being Suzuki wasn’t worth the hype last year, and there is also the possibility that Yoshida won’t be worth the hype this year.

[Old Red]

Oh, so you were just trolling me, because I liked Kike more than you. Got it.

 

Quick question, why does Beni's last season or 1, 2, 3 ... seasons matter more than Kike's did after 2021? Just to bust my balls?

 

Admit you shift your criteria like the wind.

 

Trolling you? You troll yourself, because you are so hung up on Kike, and it’s quite hilarious to watch. The Red Sox would be better off with Beni then they would with Kike.

[Old Red]

...and Moncada got us Sale.

 

Yes I agree DD made a good trade. The extension not so good.

[dgalehouse]

I think there is a good chance that Yoshida does well in Boston. The question is , did they pay a lot more than necessary to get him ? That seems odd considering the constant talk about a tight budget. If you can't afford a new oven , you probably shouldn't give the Door Dash driver a hundred dollar tip.

[Old Red]

I think there is a good chance that Yoshida does well in Boston. The question is , did they pay a lot more than necessary to get him ? That seems odd considering the constant talk about a tight budget. If you can't afford a new oven , you probably shouldn't give the Door Dash driver a hundred dollar tip.

 

After all is said, and done I hope he does work out, and is worthy of the xtra tip the Red Sox have given Boris on this signing.

[Hugh2]

The point being Suzuki wasn’t worth the hype last year, and there is also the possibility that Yoshida won’t be worth the hype this year.

 

There’s also the point to be made that there’s reason to believe that Yoshida is much better. First of, Suzuki wasn’t bad, but Yoshida had better stats than him against better pitching. So shouldn’t we expect him to be better than .770?

 

If he’s an .800 ops guy he’s worth it

[Hugh2]

There’s also the point to be made that there’s reason to believe that Yoshida is much better. First of, Suzuki wasn’t bad, but Yoshida had better stats than him against better pitching. So shouldn’t we expect him to be better than .770?

 

If he’s an .800 ops guy he’s worth it

 

Red Sox are paying Boras under the table?

[moonslav59]

What part of Yoshida hasn’t played in the majors don’t you understand? Yoshida’s consistency in Japan was in Japan.

 

You confuse not understanding to not agreeing all the time.

 

I totally get your point, and it is a valid one.

 

I asked a simple question to shine some light on my point, which you obviously DONT UNDERSTAND, b ecause you respond with answers that show you just don't get it.

 

Not that I want you to agree, but to understand and respond to my actual point.

 

Does it matter if we sign a .220 Japan hitter vs a .310 one? If no, then you attach some value to Japanese data. If no, then we can agree to disagree on that one.

 

You won't answer, though, and I think I know why.

[moonslav59]

Trolling you? You troll yourself, because you are so hung up on Kike, and it’s quite hilarious to watch. The Red Sox would be better off with Beni then they would with Kike.

 

You admitted you bashed Kike, because he was my "boy toy." That is trolling.

 

You obviously don't know what trolling means either, because trolling myself makes no sense.

 

I won't ask you to explain it.

 

I won't ask why you just turned this into Beni vs Kike, because I said you switched the criteria on one vs the other, but it is how your twisted mind works, I guess. I won't try assuming you thought I was comparing their two skillsets.

[moonslav59]

I think there is a good chance that Yoshida does well in Boston. The question is , did they pay a lot more than necessary to get him ? That seems odd considering the constant talk about a tight budget. If you can't afford a new oven , you probably shouldn't give the Door Dash driver a hundred dollar tip.

 

It's a very legitimate question, as with any signing, and more so with bigger and longer ones.

 

For some reason, they chose Yoshida. For an even more questionable reason, to me, they chose to spend almost half their winter spending, so far on LF/DH.

 

They obviously think his skills will translate into something special, or at least worth equal or more than $105M. It's a stab in the dark, whereas the signing of a MLB player may be just a stab in the dusk. I get that, but the guy has a skillset that looks super special, and even if it transfers over to the bigs at 80%, he would be worth it.

 

We still need a SP, SS and RF'er. The Sox are on the clock.

[Old Red]

You admitted you bashed Kike, because he was my "boy toy." That is trolling.

 

You obviously don't know what trolling means either, because trolling myself makes no sense.

 

I won't ask you to explain it.

 

I won't ask why you just turned this into Beni vs Kike, because I said you switched the criteria on one vs the other, but it is how your twisted mind works, I guess. I won't try assuming you thought I was comparing their two skillsets.

I said I ragged on Kike so let’s get that straight. You always have someone bashing someone like Bloom all the time. I didn’t switch anything, but just as a matter of fact that I think that the Red Sox would be better off with Beni in the lineup than Kike.

[Old Red]

There’s also the point to be made that there’s reason to believe that Yoshida is much better. First of, Suzuki wasn’t bad, but Yoshida had better stats than him against better pitching. So shouldn’t we expect him to be better than .770?

 

If he’s an .800 ops guy he’s worth it

Only time will tell on who’s right, and who’s wrong on this, and it will be proven on the field, and not on SoxTalk.

[Hugh2]

I said I ragged on Kike so let’s get that straight. You always have someone bashing someone like Bloom all the time. I didn’t switch anything, but just as a matter of fact that I think that the Red Sox would be better off with Beni in the lineup than Kike.

 

Wait a minute it was YOU? This was the thing that made me challenge you to name your starting outfield without Kike.

 

Dude, why didn’t you just name drop Beni then? I would of happily donated $100 to St. Jude’s.

 

Of note, I donated $375 last month anyways.

 

I may be an ******* but I’m not a %100 dick