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[notin]

For some like Notin he loved it, so for him probably a 10.

 

Are you even remotely familiar with the career of Hunter Renfroe?

[Old Red]

You said he "shouldn't."

 

 

And where does it actually say Notin shouldn’t make predictions? Not what you think, and interpreted it to say, but actually say he shouldn’t?

[Old Red]

Are you even remotely familiar with the career of Hunter Renfroe?

 

Yes, and even more so of JBJ. He Can’t Hit.

[notin]

Yes, and even more so of JBJ. He Can’t Hit.

 

Well if you love Renfroe, probably worth noting he’s a worse hitter for his career than the younger Gallo. Worse defender too.

 

So if you actually hated that trade, you really shouldn’t mind Gallo…

[Old Red]

Well if you love Renfroe, probably worth noting he’s a worse hitter for his career than the younger Gallo. Worse defender too.

 

So if you actually hated that trade, you really shouldn’t mind Gallo…

 

Who said anything about loving Renfroe? I was all for replacing Renfroe, but not with a non hitter like JBJ no matter how good his glove is. That would go for Gallo too. He sucks.

[notin]

Who said anything about loving Renfroe? I was all for replacing Renfroe, but not with a non hitter like JBJ no matter how good his glove is. That would go for Gallo too. He sucks.

 

That’s more To hitting than the widely flawed batting average.

 

Gallo had a bad 2022, but he is a good player very likely to be undervalued. He also scores will on at least one metric we know Bloom uses. There’s reasons to believe I am right here.

 

Repeatedly saying “Gallo sucks” doesn’t change that Gallo is good. It just makes it look like you only know BA…

[moonslav59]

Like I’ve said before. The Candy Man can, but you can’t. The curtain has been pulled back to many times. Say good night Dick.

 

Keep singing your lame lullaby to yourself. We know you can't resist the scarecrow.

[Old Red]

That’s more To hitting than the widely flawed batting average.

 

Gallo had a bad 2022, but he is a good player very likely to be undervalued. He also scores will on at least one metric we know Bloom uses. There’s reasons to believe I am right here.

 

Repeatedly saying “Gallo sucks” doesn’t change that Gallo is good. It just makes it look like you only know BA…

 

I’ve already said BA is not the be all end all, but my opinion is Gallo sucks. You saying Gallo is good doesn’t make it right either. Like I said earlier that Gallo is so good he has worn out his welcome with the Yankees, and Dodgers.

[Old Red]

Keep singing your lame lullaby to yourself. We know you can't resist the scarecrow.

 

The scarecrow must have been your favorite companion when they pulled the curtain back on you.

[moonslav59]

The scarecrow must have been your favorite companion when they pulled the curtain back on you.

 

Nice try. We all know you are the master strawman builder.

 

Isn't it past your bedtime?

[moonslav59]

For some like Notin he loved it, so for him probably a 10.

 

1. I was talking about how likely was the JBJ trade rated. Try to keep up.

 

2. I never heard anyone say they "loved" the JBJ trade, so again your strawman building continues.

 

3. Go back to sleep.

[harmony]

I like Nimmo way better.

 

I hope Gallo signs with the Mariners.

If the choice is between Brandon Nimmo at five years, $100 million (qualifying offer) and Joey Gallo at two years, $25 million (no qualifying offer), the latter might be the better option.

 

But the Mariners already have a center fielder.

 

From a Seattle forum:

 

https://www.marinertalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7432&sid=f03862a4eefac7aad120e4554e0f8560&start=40#p214116

Edited October 30, 2022 by harmony

[moonslav59]

If the choice is between Brandon Nimmo at five years, $100 million (qualifying offer) and Joey Gallo at two years, $25 million (no qualifying offer), the latter might be the better option.

 

 

That's why notin predicted the Sox get Gallo not Nimmo.

 

I'd prefer Nimmo and the draft penalties at even $110M/5 .

[notin]

I’ve already said BA is not the be all end all, but my opinion is Gallo sucks. You saying Gallo is good doesn’t make it right either. Like I said earlier that Gallo is so good he has worn out his welcome with the Yankees, and Dodgers.

 

Ok, but not like you ever cut anything else. Maybe RBIs and other stats that depends on other players…

[moonslav59]

Ok, but not like you ever cut anything else. Maybe RBIs and other stats that depends on other players…

 

99% BA and 1% RBI is all I've ever seen him use beyond his "eye test."

[notin]

99% BA and 1% RBI is all I've ever seen him use beyond his "eye test."

 

His “eye test” is just reading Tony Massarotti talking points…

[notin]

That's why notin predicted the Sox get Gallo not Nimmo.

 

I'd prefer Nimmo and the draft penalties at even $110M/5 .

 

 

I do too. In would probably trade the two players drafted for Nimmo.

 

But I don’t think Bloom will…

[Bellhorn04]

His “eye test” is just reading Tony Massarotti talking points…

 

Old Red listens to sports radio, so I think maybe he actually relies on the "ear test"...

[moonslav59]

I do too. In would probably trade the two players drafted for Nimmo.

 

But I don’t think Bloom will…

 

Losing 2 draft picks is likely something Bloom & upper management just can't stomach, at this point in the rebuild, agreed.

 

I'm thinking about who we can sign or add, this winter, that can help us now AND also in 2014 and beyond, when the plan seems to be really start being highly competitive.

 

Same with trading some upper prospects for a team controlled stud pitcher and or decent RF'er.

 

I know we've mentioned the Marlins as the perfect fit, and I'm certain they will make a trade with someone, this winter.

 

They have a SP'er we can certainly use, and I'm super high on Berti for RF. We could take Garcia or Soler as salary dumps, instead of Berti, so we can lessen the return needed to get a SP'er. There seems to be so many workable mix and matches to not be able to find one the Marlins are ok with. I guess it all comes down to who Bloom is willing to part with and whether the Marlins really like Rafaela, Yorke or Wikelman. They may insist in Bleis and Walter or maybe even Mayer, if we get one of their better SP'ers with 4+ years of control.

[moonslav59]

Old Red listens to sports radio, so I think maybe he actually relies on the "ear test"...

 

The whole "eye test" thing rings hollow to me to a large extent. Nobody watches enough games by all 30 teams to know through observation who is better than others, especially those close in skill levels. When one or two more hits or great defensive plays per week makes a huge difference over a season, it's absurd to think watching 150 games of one player and maybe 0-3 of 15 other players at that position and 5-15 of the other14 players at that position can tell you much of anything.

 

The "eye test" is really viewing the stats or metrics of your choice and having a rough idea of what the norm is in MLB and comparing the perception of what the norm is to the Red Sox player we watch everyday or nearly everyday.

[Old Red]

Old Red listens to sports radio, so I think maybe he actually relies on the "ear test"...

 

Haven’t listened to sports radio for a few months now, so wrong again, but this forum is just another form of sports radio.

[Old Red]

99% BA and 1% RBI is all I've ever seen him use beyond his "eye test."

 

And the eye test bugs the crap out of you, and the fact I don’t need much else like you do.

[notin]

And the eye test bugs the crap out of you, and the fact I don’t need much else like you do.

 

Dude, if you don’t like my predictions, let’s hear yours. Just saying “You’re wrong” brings nothing to the conversation…

[Old Red]

Dude, if you don’t like my predictions, let’s hear yours. Just saying “You’re wrong” brings nothing to the conversation…

 

There you go again. Where did it say I didn’t like them? Wrong maybe, but dude i didn’t say I didn’t like them. Wrong means they didn’t, or won’t happen. Wrong predictions doesn’t add anything either.

Edited October 30, 2022 by Old Red

[Old Red]

The whole "eye test" thing rings hollow to me to a large extent. Nobody watches enough games by all 30 teams to know through observation who is better than others, especially those close in skill levels. When one or two more hits or great defensive plays per week makes a huge difference over a season, it's absurd to think watching 150 games of one player and maybe 0-3 of 15 other players at that position and 5-15 of the other14 players at that position can tell you much of anything.

 

The "eye test" is really viewing the stats or metrics of your choice and having a rough idea of what the norm is in MLB and comparing the perception of what the norm is to the Red Sox player we watch everyday or nearly everyday.

 

Lots of things rings hollow to you, and absurd to think you only know what’s right. If an objective, independent talk show regular come on here, and read all that goes on they would think the were lots of absurdity, and yes even from you. A gift it is not.

[notin]

There you go again. Where did it say I didn’t like them? Wrong maybe, but dude i didn’t say I didn’t like them.

 

You absolutely didn’t like my prediction of Gallo. You’ve said it’s wrong multiple times. Ok - let’s hear your prediction? Or heck, your preference. It’s all fine out here in Anonymous Internet Forum Land…

[notin]

And the eye test bugs the crap out of you, and the fact I don’t need much else like you do.

 

I think Fangraphs’ Dave Cameron said it best when he said “the eye test usually boils down to fans saying ‘I saw that guy make an error once’.”

[moonslav59]

Lots of things rings hollow to you, and absurd to think you only know what’s right. If an objective, independent talk show regular come on here, and read all that goes on they would think the were lots of absurdity, and yes even from you. A gift it is not.

 

I never pretend to know it all or project an image where I am always right. I often admit and bring up times I was wrong.

 

I fully realize we are all just stating our subjective points of view and many are flawed- not just mine.

 

Obviously much of what others say rings hollow to you, too. Nobody says you pretend to know what's right, which I think is a noticeable difference between you and me. When I mischaracterize another's opinion, I quickly acknowledge it and apologize. You double and triple down on your alternative facts and misconstrued meanings of words.

 

Feel free to continue to "interpret" meanings that are not even close to being implied, let alone stated. It's one thing you have mastered in life. It's become all too common in our society, these days, so you can and seemingly do take comfort in the fact that you are not alone. There are some things that are facts and beyond opinion, and this is clearly one such thing.

 

[moonslav59]

I think Fangraphs’ Dave Cameron said it best when he said “the eye test usually boils down to fans saying ‘I saw that guy make an error once’.”

 

It is possible to get some "eye tests" right, if you watch enough games by just your team. For instance, you can observe that opposing SSs seem to make more spectacular plays on defense, as a whole, compared to Bogey, and rightfully determine Bogey's range is not as good as the norm. You may also determine he makes less errors on sure plays than others, as a whole and then try to weigh the overall ranking of his defense in your head. If you are objective and sharp, maybe you can get it right more than wrong.

 

Comparing Bogey's D to NL shortstops is nearly impossib le, even if you watch 50+ games by NL teams.

 

It comes down to what stats you choose to use your "eye test" on, or what "expert" you choose to believe, and usually they are the ones that confirm your pre-biases.

 

To me, using Fldg % almost exclusively is highly flawed, as is using BA and RBIs as your major stats of choice in placing value and rankings on batters, but it is what many seem to do. I think using DRS and UZR/150 on defense, OPS or wRC+ on batting and fWAR/bWAR for overall value and ranking are vastly better, but it's just my opinion. I've yet to hear a convincing argument to think otherwise.

[Old Red]

I never pretend to know it all or project an image where I am always right. I often admit and bring up times I was wrong.

 

I fully realize we are all just stating our subjective points of view and many are flawed- not just mine.

 

Obviously much of what others say rings hollow to you, too. Nobody says you pretend to know what's right, which I think is a noticeable difference between you and me. When I mischaracterize another's opinion, I quickly acknowledge it and apologize. You double and triple down on your alternative facts and misconstrued meanings of words.

 

Feel free to continue to "interpret" meanings that are not even close to being implied, let alone stated. It's one thing you have mastered in life. It's become all too common in our society, these days, so you can and seemingly do take comfort in the fact that you are not alone. There are some things that are facts and beyond opinion, and this is clearly one such thing.

 

 

We have gone over all this many times over. You analyze things the way that you need, and want to, and there is nothing wrong with that. I on the other hand analyze things the way I need, and want to, and there is nothing wrong with that either. I could care less how Bogey’s D metrics stack up against all the other SS in baseball. All I care about is that he is good enough for me to play SS for the Boston Red Sox. Same thing with Vaz I could care less what his D metrics say on how good he his compared to the rest of the league. He for me was good enough to be the C of the Boston Red Sox., so I have never said the good old eye test is the best way to analyze things, but I have said it is good enough for me much to your chagrin, and I’m not going to change my opinion no matter how many times you bring the eye test up. It obviously is wrong for you, but not wrong for me.