6/16 vs Oakland

[Old Red]

You do seem to revel in it.

 

No it doesn’t, and they are going to need him to produce especially with the schedule starting to get tougher again. When Story does good I say Story Land is open, and when Story does bad like today I say Story Land is closed. He’s just been closed more often lately.

[Old Red]

It's you that needs to get over it.

 

Max made a good point about facing their ace and a good pitcher overall. Call it an excuse, if you want, but why go off like Max was crying to the Comish?

 

He actually ended his post with "Stuff happens. It's called baseball," and you act like he can't accept the loss.

 

Why even make the excuse that their Ace went against our #5? I never even thought about it just like Pivetta going against a minor league type. I never had a problem with either one, but Max seemed to. Nice of you coming to his side, but to be honest I think he was making excuses.

Edited June 16, 2022 by Old Red

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The best thing I saw today during the game was Sale's body language in the dugout. The SOX have a good chance of adding one of the best pitchers in MLB to their rotation in the very near future. Let's all keep our fingers crossed. Edited June 16, 2022 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[moonslav59]

Why even make the excuse that their Ace went against our #5? I never even thought about it just like Pivetta going against a minor league type. I never had a problem with either one, but Max seemed to. Nice of you coming to his side, but to be honest I think he was making excuses.

 

The guy made a valid point on a reason why we lost.

 

You've never done that?

 

When someone else does it, they are "making an excuse," but when you do it, it's just "stating my opinion,"

 

I'm not sure what Pivetta going against a scrub has to do with today's game. Does Max have to qualify his point, so as not to get thrashed?

[moonslav59]

No it doesn’t, and they are going to need him to produce especially with the schedule starting to get tougher again. When Story does good I say Story Land is open, and when Story does bad like today I say Story Land is closed. He’s just been closed more often lately.

 

The whole "Story Land" saying shows your sentiments from the beginnings of his struggles.

 

Nobody is denying he has struggled mightily for the vast majority of games. Maybe, you just need to "get over it."

[Maxbialystock]

You are unbelievable to think I want the Cardinals to come in, and sweep the Red Sox. I just want to see the Red Sox play a good team for once. I don’t know why you keep calling Henry- Bloom, and Cora dumb. I don’t think anyone agrees with you, but you are entitled to your opinion.

 

OK, let's tentatively agree you root for the Sox even though I rarely read you saying anything positive about them.

 

Same goes for John Henry, Chaim Bloom, and Alex Cora. I rarely read anything about them--and by you--that is complimentary, but will now assume you think they are competent.

 

As for their playing "a good team for once," you might be surprised that so far the Sox have played AL teams with winning records (as of now) 20 times and losing teams 30 times. However, not including the Sox, there are only 6 AL teams with winning records and 8 with losing records. That is, 40% of the Sox AL games have been against winning AL teams, who compose 6/14 or 43% of AL teams not from Boston. They have played losing teams, who compose 8/14 (57%) of AL teams not from Boston, 60% of the time. So in fact the Sox so far have played a reasonably balanced--in terms of good teams vs. bad teams--schedule to date. Against the NL, they have played 2 games vs the Braves, a winning team, and 2 against the Reds, a losing team.

[Maxbialystock]

The best thing I saw today during the game was Sale's body language in the dugout. The SOX have a good chance of adding one of the best pitchers in MLB to their rotation in the very near future. Let's all keep our fingers crossed.

 

His first two seasons (2017 and 2018) with the Sox, I thought Chris Sale was the most professional pitcher I'd seen. He was completely focused, rarely shook off the catcher, and fielded his position skillfully and enthusiastically--and he threw good stuff. His WAR's those first two seasons were 5.9 and 6.5--pretty darn good.

 

Since then--2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022--however, his WAR's have been 2.1, 0, 1.0, and 0.

 

So right now I'm hoping you are right and that very soon the real Chris Sale will materialize. But there is a lurking doubt.

[Maxbialystock]

It happens.

 

As a team the Red Sox stranded 13 runners today but in losing a three-game weekend series the Seattle Mariners outhit the Red Sox 24-18 while stranding 29 runners (and the Red Sox only 16).

 

Good stuff.

[moonslav59]

His first two seasons (2017 and 2018) with the Sox, I thought Chris Sale was the most professional pitcher I'd seen. He was completely focused, rarely shook off the catcher, and fielded his position skillfully and enthusiastically--and he threw good stuff. His WAR's those first two seasons were 5.9 and 6.5--pretty darn good.

 

Since then--2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022--however, his WAR's have been 2.1, 0, 1.0, and 0.

 

So right now I'm hoping you are right and that very soon the real Chris Sale will materialize. But there is a lurking doubt.

 

I still think Sale is a fierce competitor, and I will never write him off, until he retires are sucks for a few years.

 

I've given up hoping for a great return, too, but if anyone can do it, it would be Sale.

[Bellhorn04]

OK, let's tentatively agree you root for the Sox even though I rarely read you saying anything positive about them.

 

Same goes for John Henry, Chaim Bloom, and Alex Cora. I rarely read anything about them--and by you--that is complimentary, but will now assume you think they are competent.

 

As for their playing "a good team for once," you might be surprised that so far the Sox have played AL teams with winning records (as of now) 20 times and losing teams 30 times. However, not including the Sox, there are only 6 AL teams with winning records and 8 with losing records. That is, 40% of the Sox AL games have been against winning AL teams, who compose 6/14 or 43% of AL teams not from Boston. They have played losing teams, who compose 8/14 (57%) of AL teams not from Boston, 60% of the time. So in fact the Sox so far have played a reasonably balanced--in terms of good teams vs. bad teams--schedule to date. Against the NL, they have played 2 games vs the Braves, a winning team, and 2 against the Reds, a losing team.

 

One thing I am sure of about every single Red Sox fan here, is that they want the Red Sox to win every time out.

[JDavis76]

I still think Sale is a fierce competitor, and I will never write him off, until he retires are sucks for a few years.

 

I've given up hoping for a great return, too, but if anyone can do it, it would be Sale.

 

I think you meant to say verlander.......

[Bellhorn04]

I think you meant to say verlander.......

 

Verlander's already done it. As have some others.

[moonslav59]

Verlander's already done it. As have some others.

 

Exactly. The statement was based on who might be the next guy, but some posters just don't get it.

[JDavis76]

Verlander's already done it. As have some others.

 

Exactly my point......

[Maxbialystock]

I still think Sale is a fierce competitor, and I will never write him off, until he retires are sucks for a few years.

 

I've given up hoping for a great return, too, but if anyone can do it, it would be Sale.

 

Completely, absolutely agree he is a fierce competitor.

[Maxbialystock]

One thing I am sure of about every single Red Sox fan here, is that they want the Red Sox to win every time out.

 

You are a great contributor, but this time I'm not so sure I agree with you.

[Maxbialystock]

No it doesn’t, and they are going to need him to produce especially with the schedule starting to get tougher again. When Story does good I say Story Land is open, and when Story does bad like today I say Story Land is closed. He’s just been closed more often lately.

 

Interesting comments. Your Story Land commentary has little to do with the player and everything to do with Chaim Bloom. You much prefer Story to be closed. Also interesting is "they are going to need him to produce." Use of the third person--when many of us would have said "we need him to produce"--connotes you have no investment in the Sox winning, at least not this year. You've been sharply critical of Chaim Bloom and rarely comment that Cora did anything right since early in the season. So my guess, only that, is that you want this to be a bad season so you can say, "see, I was right."

[Maxbialystock]

Why even make the excuse that their Ace went against our #5? I never even thought about it just like Pivetta going against a minor league type. I never had a problem with either one, but Max seemed to. Nice of you coming to his side, but to be honest I think he was making excuses.

 

What excuse????

 

Oh, wait, I get it. You're the one who says the A's are actually a minor league team or at best a completely incompetent bunch of losers at the MLB level. Thus you also think that no decent MLB team would ever lose to the A's even though they have actually won 1/3 of their games this season. It therefore follows--in your train of "logic"--that the Sox should have won all 6 games vs. the A's and not just the measly 5 they did win.

[harmony]

I'm not complaining. I like the trend we are on.

 

We've had our share of luck over the last month, so losses like this are expected.

FWIW after Wednesday's games the Seattle Mariners led all teams with 469 runners left on base while the Red Sox were 10th with 442:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/2022.shtml

[moonslav59]

What excuse????

 

Oh, wait, I get it. You're the one who says the A's are actually a minor league team or at best a completely incompetent bunch of losers at the MLB level. Thus you also think that no decent MLB team would ever lose to the A's even though they have actually won 1/3 of their games this season. It therefore follows--in your train of "logic"--that the Sox should have won all 6 games vs. the A's and not just the measly 5 they did win.

 

The same guy who complains people gang up on those with differing opinions plays the excuse police on Thursdays.

[moonslav59]

FWIW after Wednesday's games the Seattle Mariners led all teams with 469 runners left on base while the Red Sox were 10th with 442:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/2022.shtml

 

It sure plays a role in piling up loses, doesn't it?

[Bellhorn04]

You are a great contributor, but this time I'm not so sure I agree with you.

 

See the difference? I'm sure and you're not.

[Old Red]

See the difference? I'm sure and you're not.

 

Like I said earlier I just roll with the flow. The only problem is I have to go out, and buy a Cardinals hat since I’m supposed to be cheering for them this weekend.

[Bellhorn04]

Like I said earlier I just roll with the flow. The only problem is I have to go out, and buy a Cardinals hat since I’m supposed to be cheering for them this weekend.

 

I argue with you about some stuff, but I know you want the Sox to win.

[Old Red]

I argue with you about some stuff, but I know you want the Sox to win.

 

Yes we disagree on things, but to come of some of the conclusions that some have it’s so far out that it’s no even worth replying back too. To say I’m not a Red Sox fan, or that I don’t want them to win is 100% false. Still looking for that Cardinals hat.

[moonslav59]

Yes we disagree on things, but to come of some of the conclusions that some have it’s so far out that it’s no even worth replying back too. To say I’m not a Red Sox fan, or that I don’t want them to win is 100% false. Still looking for that Cardinals hat.

 

I think Max was being facetious. I think, like any other issue, what being a good fan looks like varies wildly from person to person.

 

There is no right or wrong, but when you got guys like Swihart who has advocated trading, DFA'ing or worse virtually every Sox player, coach and manager, one might wonder who he is actually cheering for- the logo?

[Bellhorn04]

There is no right or wrong, but when you got guys like Swihart who has advocated trading, DFA'ing or worse virtually every Sox player, coach and manager, one might wonder who he is actually cheering for- the logo?

 

But we all do that. You and notin have contests predicting who will be the next guy DFA'd.

 

Swihart just takes it to more of an extreme...

[mvp 78]

I liked the Cardinals when I was younger and baseball wasn't filled with stupid interleague play.

 

Ozzie Smith

Willie McGee

Terry Pendleton

Vince Coleman

 

Now that's baseball...

[Old Red]

I liked the Cardinals when I was younger and baseball wasn't filled with stupid interleague play.

 

Ozzie Smith

Willie McGee

Terry Pendleton

Vince Coleman

 

Now that's baseball...

 

I liked the Cardinals in the early 60’s until 67 came along, and then not so much especially Gibson.

[mvp 78]

I liked the Cardinals in the early 60’s until 67 came along, and then not so much especially Gibson.

 

The only NL team I had to grow up to hate was the Mets. As an adult, I can appreciate how cool Doc and Darrel were, but the rest of the Mets can go blow.

 

Unfortunately, the only MiLB team near me are the Mets, so I'm cursed to have little Mets ice cream helmets in my kids rooms for some reason.