6/15 vs Athletics

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Jury is out on Jay Groome.

 

Well, I hope they find him guilty of being armed and dangerous.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Two doubles in an inning is actually better than a solo HR. The SOX are 'double' trouble. Edited June 16, 2022 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[d-money]

Orioles lose in extra innings.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Maybe Trivino isn't the reliever the SOX should look at.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Plawecki is a rally killer. More reason that the SOX have to re-sign VAZ.

[d-money]

Get the sweep tomorrow. Need the sweep.

[iortiz]

Get the sweep tomorrow. Need the sweep.

 

This is the weakest Oakland A's I can recall, so they should.

[moonslav59]

Plawecki is a rally killer. More reason that the SOX have to re-sign VAZ.

 

Are they the only 2 catchers in MLB?

 

But what about CERA...?

[Maxbialystock]

Plawecki is a rally killer. More reason that the SOX have to re-sign VAZ.

 

Great point because the Sox only scored 10 lousy runs tonight, not nearly enough to win.

 

It is of course irrelevant in his last game, with Vazquez behind the plate, Winckowski gave up 4 runs. Tonight with Plawecki catching he gave up 0 runs in 5 innings.

[Maxbialystock]

This is the weakest Oakland A's I can recall, so they should.

 

Weak they may be, but their starter will be Blackburn, 5-2 with an ERA of 2.31. Hill goes for the Sox.

 

Season to date, the A's win 1/3 (32.8%) of their games, which means one in three games.

 

The Sox are playing well, but nothing about tomorrow is guaranteed.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Are they the only 2 catchers in MLB?

 

But what about CERA...?

 

Ya mean Michael Cera? He was good portraying Chuck Barris in the movie CONFESSIONS OF A DANGEROUS MIND. but I don't believe he can catch.

Btw, hasn't VAZ been catching Pivetta?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Great point because the Sox only scored 10 lousy runs tonight, not nearly enough to win.

 

It is of course irrelevant in his last game, with Vazquez behind the plate, Winckowski gave up 4 runs. Tonight with Plawecki catching he gave up 0 runs in 5 innings.

 

Sarcasm is easier for some than others. Please swallow a chill pill.

[moonslav59]

Ya mean Michael Cera? He was good portraying Chuck Barris in the movie CONFESSIONS OF A DANGEROUS MIND. but I don't believe he can catch.

Btw, hasn't VAZ been catching Pivetta?

 

Yes, and the one time he didn't, it was Wong not Plawecki.

2.93 v Vaz (70.2 IP) / 4.21 Career (182)

11.25 w Wong (4.0)

N/A w Plawecki / 2.87 Career (53)

 

Big Nate

3.10 w Plawecki (52.1) / 2.99 Career (162)

3.97 w Vaz (11.1) /4.55 Career (166)

1.93 w Wong (4.2)

 

Wacha

0.40 w Plawecki (22.1)

3.69 w Vaz (31.2)

 

Hill

2.89 w Plawecki (9.1)

4.72 w Vaz (40.0)

 

Whitlock

0.00 w Plawecki (4) / 3.29 Career (13.2)

3.92 w Vaz (43.2) / 2.52 Career (107)

0.00 w Wong (1.0)

 

Houck

1.41 w Vaz (32.0) / 1.55 Career (87)

9.28 w Plawecki (10.2)/ 6.31 Career (41)

 

Davis

0.00 w Plawecki (8.0) / 4.38 Career (12.1)

2.16 w Vaz (16.2) / 2.17 Career (29)

 

Note: some very small sample sizes and some very unbalanced IP totals in most cases- like Plawecki has not caught a single inning with Pivetta, this season.

 

Edited June 16, 2022 by moonslav59

[Old Red]

Great point because the Sox only scored 10 lousy runs tonight, not nearly enough to win.

 

It is of course irrelevant in his last game, with Vazquez behind the plate, Winckowski gave up 4 runs. Tonight with Plawecki catching he gave up 0 runs in 5 innings.

 

Great point? Of course it doesn’t matter that the A’s are nothing more than a minor league team in major league uniforms., so not so great a point.

Edited June 16, 2022 by Old Red

[Maxbialystock]

Ya mean Michael Cera? He was good portraying Chuck Barris in the movie CONFESSIONS OF A DANGEROUS MIND. but I don't believe he can catch.

Btw, hasn't VAZ been catching Pivetta?

 

Nicely done. Plus I like Michael Cera, versatile actor.

 

But the central question of our times remains: que CERA, CERA?

[moonslav59]

Great point? Of course it doesn’t matter that the A’s are nothing more than a minor league team in major league uniforms., so not so great a point.

 

To use one of your favorite phrases, "You ignore" that Winckowski's other start w Vaz was against a team that is also "nothing more than a minor league team in major league uniforms," so the small sample size point does make a point.

[Maxbialystock]

Great point? Of course it doesn’t matter that the A’s are nothing more than a minor league team in major league uniforms., so not so great a point.

 

They win 33% of their games, all against MLB teams. Other comparable MLB teams today: Royals at 34%, Nationals at 35%, and Reds at 36%.

 

Right now they are really struggling, with two recent losing streaks of 9 in a row and 10 in a row.

 

However, last year the A's finished 86-76, in 2020 they finished 36-24, in 2019 they finished 97-65, in 2018 also 97-65, in 2017 75-87 (46%), in 2016 69-93 (43%), in 2015 68-94 (42%), in 2014 88-74, and in 2013 96-66.

 

So, yeah, a pretty bad season, but their track record says they ain't "minor league" and in fact get to the postseason every now and then (2013, 2014, 2018, 2019, and 2020). All the while, because they have abysmal attendance, they spend about 1/4 on salaries that the Boston Red Sox spend.

 

Of course, as Brad Pitt says at the end of the movie Moneyball, the A's can't seem to win it all. The Sox, meanwhile, have won more WS, 4, in the John Henry era--more than any other MLB franchise.

 

So, while I really like what the Sox have accomplished, I also find it hard to sneer at the A's when they are having a down year.

[Old Red]

To use one of your favorite phrases, "You ignore" that Winckowski's other start w Vaz was against a team that is also "nothing more than a minor league team in major league uniforms," so the small sample size point does make a point.

 

Okay so their both minor league teams. One bad game, and one good game, but at this point I wouldn’t judge who the catcher was to determine the outcome.

[Old Red]

They win 33% of their games, all against MLB teams. Other comparable MLB teams today: Royals at 34%, Nationals at 35%, and Reds at 36%.

 

Right now they are really struggling, with two recent losing streaks of 9 in a row and 10 in a row.

 

However, last year the A's finished 86-76, in 2020 they finished 36-24, in 2019 they finished 97-65, in 2018 also 97-65, in 2017 75-87 (46%), in 2016 69-93 (43%), in 2015 68-94 (42%), in 2014 88-74, and in 2013 96-66.

 

So, yeah, a pretty bad season, but their track record says they ain't "minor league" and in fact get to the postseason every now and then (2013, 2014, 2018, 2019, and 2020). All the while, because they have abysmal attendance, they spend about 1/4 on salaries that the Boston Red Sox spend.

 

Of course, as Brad Pitt says at the end of the movie Moneyball, the A's can't seem to win it all. The Sox, meanwhile, have won more WS, 4, in the John Henry era--more than any other MLB franchise.

 

So, while I really like what the Sox have accomplished, I also find it hard to sneer at the A's when they are having a down year.

 

Track record? Is this the same A’s roster that played last year? Seems to me I don’t see Olsen, and Chapman on the team this year just to name two. What happened in past years has nothing to do with this years team who are now a minor league team with a minor league payroll. I’m surprised you didn’t throw in the 72-74 A’s. There is no comparison at all to this A’s team to teams in the last 10 years, and they are struggling, because they got rid of good talent, and don’t have much left. Reggie Jackson is not coming through that door anymore, and old Jed Lowrie is, so focus on that track record all you want, because the A’s don’t have much else, and will get worse in the coming months.

Edited June 16, 2022 by Old Red

[mvp 78]

The A's suck ass right now, but kuddos to Winckowski for pitching well last night and to the bats for staying hot.

[moonslav59]

Okay so their both minor league teams. One bad game, and one good game, but at this point I wouldn’t judge who the catcher was to determine the outcome.

 

It's not just the Wink case. The vast majority of SP'ers do better with anyone-but-Vaz. Small sample sizes, unbalanced sample size and laeger/balanced sample sizes almost all show the same results, pitcher-by- pitcher, year-by-year or careers as a whole.

 

You can debate or dispute the ability of a catcher to make a significant difference, but the facts are the facts.

[Old Red]

It's not just the Wink case. The vast majority of SP'ers do better with anyone-but-Vaz. Small sample sizes, unbalanced sample size and laeger/balanced sample sizes almost all show the same results, pitcher-by- pitcher, year-by-year or careers as a whole.

 

You can debate or dispute the ability of a catcher to make a significant difference, but the facts are the facts.

 

The fact is that Vaz is the #1 catcher, so I guess the Red Sox have a problem.

[mvp 78]

It's not just the Wink case. The vast majority of SP'ers do better with anyone-but-Vaz. Small sample sizes, unbalanced sample size and laeger/balanced sample sizes almost all show the same results, pitcher-by- pitcher, year-by-year or careers as a whole.

 

You can debate or dispute the ability of a catcher to make a significant difference, but the facts are the facts.

 

Your samples have never shown that though.

 

I did see an interesting factoid yesterday that Plawecki has the worst pop time in the entire league. I don't see him coming back next year.

[moonslav59]

Your samples have never shown that though.

 

I did see an interesting factoid yesterday that Plawecki has the worst pop time in the entire league. I don't see him coming back next year.

 

My samples have always shown, pitcher by pitcher, that the majority of pitchers do better with Plawecki or Leon than Vaz. Many of the sample sizes are small and or unbalanced, but they show the same thing every year and over careers.

 

This year's is no different. It shows 5 of our top IP pitchers doing better with Plawecki than Vaz. Only Houck has done better with Vaz, and Pivetta has no IP with Plawecki.

 

The career numbers I listed, here, show 4 of the top 6 with better CERAs with Plawecki.

 

Show me how my numbers never show this.

 

I'll wait.

[moonslav59]

Your samples have never shown that though.

 

I did see an interesting factoid yesterday that Plawecki has the worst pop time in the entire league. I don't see him coming back next year.

 

I'm not high on Plawecki. My beef is with Vaz's steady record of getting less from our starters than his back-up does. It's been the same since Leon, and maybe before (Hanigan). Swihart was the one catcher who got worse, but the sample sizes were very small. (Salty was no pitcher whisperer, either.)

 

I've also been very open about the fact that RP'ers seem to be more 50-50.

 

 

Here are the Sox IP Leaders since 2014 (200+ IP):

 

Porcello

4.19 w Leon

4.96 w Vaz

(3.95 w Hanigan)

 

ERod

4.05 Leon

4.18 Vaz

(3.78 Hanigan)

 

Price

2.96 v Leon

4.27 w Vaz

(0.00 w Hanigan but only 9 IP)

 

Sale

2.79 Leon

4.12 Vaz

 

Buch

2.83 VMart

3.01 Leon

3.95 Salty

4.44 Vaz

(5.12 w VTek)

 

Eovaldi

2.99 Plawecki

4,53 Leon

4.55 Vaz

(4.85 Salty)

 

Barnes

3.83 Leon

3.96 Vaz

(4.50 Swihart, 5.93 Hanigan, 6.23 Plawecki in 17 IP)

 

Kelly

3.23 Vaz

4.63 Leon

4.83 Hanigan

 

Wright

2.94 Hanigan

3.49 Vaz

(4.06 Swihart)

 

Pomeranz

3.32 Holiday

3.92 Vaz

6.02 Leon

 

Workman

3.04 Vaz

3.83 Leon

4.03 AJP

 

Hembree

3.42 Leon

4.26 Vaz

(2.15 Swihart)

 

Pivetta

2.87 Plawecki

4.24 Vaz

 

Early returns show Wacha and Hill do better w/o Vaz, but Houck & Whitlock do better with Vaz.

 

Out of the top 13 pitchers by IP, Vaz has gotten the best from the number 8 (Kelly) and number 11 (Workman).

[moonslav59]

How about COPSA?

 

OPS Against by Catcher:

 

Vaz

.596 Pivetta 278 PAs Against

.716 Whitlock 183

.813 Hill 169

.694 Wacha 131

.501 Houck 123

.807 Eovaldi

 

RP'ers

.616 Davis 69

.634 Sawamura 69

.843 Diekman 66

.672 Robles 65

.637 Strahm 56 Ahead by .009

.810 Barnes 55

.492 Schreiber 53

.898 Brasier 53

.606 Valdez

.846 Crawford 37

.436 Danish 33

1.167 Winckowski 18

 

Plawecki

.693 Eovaldi 208

.378 Wacha 82

.865 Houck 50

.487 Hill 36

.513 Winckowski 20

.077 Whitlock 13

N/A Pivetta 0

 

RP'ers

.773 Danish

.761 Brasier 40

.669 Crawford 38

.628 Diekman 36

.550 Davis 35

.762 Barnes 21

.170 Schreiber 18

.646 Strahm 16

.414 Sawamura 15

.856 Robles 10

.400 Valdez 5