Fire Bloom .

[Dipre]

Yoshida's 1.2 fWAR is not really a big impact at this point.

 

I see you're back to the Yoshida bashing. I didn't know he could pitch.

[Hugh2]

I see you're back to the Yoshida bashing. I didn't know he could pitch.

 

He'd also have a much higher WAR without the negative value on defense weighing him down.

[moonslav59]

He'd also have a much higher WAR without the negative value on defense weighing him down.

 

True, but I think they subtract positional value from DHs, too.

[Hugh2]

True, but I think they subtract positional value from DHs, too.

 

They do,

[moonslav59]

They do,

 

Maybe not as much as they do for horrible D.

[Bellhorn04]

I see you're back to the Yoshida bashing. I didn't know he could pitch.

 

It's not bashing to post a guy's WAR. As Hugh said, his WAR would be higher if he was a DH. That's what he is, a DH.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm just being a cold-blooded realist about Yoshida. He's a highly paid DH. And his overall offensive production isn't as good as lower-paid guys with more power like Turner and Duvall.

[Dipre]

I'm just being a cold-blooded realist about Yoshida. He's a highly paid DH. And his overall offensive production isn't as good as lower-paid guys with more power like Turner and Duvall.

 

Have you seen the salaries around the league for production worse than his? He's a fairly paid DH.

[mvp 78]

McCutchen has only 8 games played in the OF this season: -9.2 dWAR (FanGraphs)

Masataka is at -12.7.

 

DH is a -17.5 runs adjustment in WAR, while LF is -7.5.

 

Masa has a -1.3 UZR for the games played in LF (-1.3 -7.5 = -8.8). Factor the -17.5 he'd get prorated for the DH games and he gets to -12.7.

 

I think that's how it works?

[moonslav59]

I'm just being a cold-blooded realist about Yoshida. He's a highly paid DH. And his overall offensive production isn't as good as lower-paid guys with more power like Turner and Duvall.

 

He has the same wRC+ as Devers and is very close to leading the team.

 

126 Turner

124 Casas & Duran (344 PAs)

123 Yoshida & Devers

122 Duvall (211 PAs)

105 Dugo

100 Refsnyder (198)

 

He's third in RBI, but not on pace for much more than Bogey and JD gave us last year.

[mvp 78]

Have you seen the salaries around the league for production worse than his? He's a fairly paid DH.

 

He'd be the second highest paid DH behind Schwarber, no?

[Bellhorn04]

He has the same wRC+ as Devers and is very close to leading the team.

 

126 Turner

124 Casas & Duran (344 PAs)

123 Yoshida & Devers

122 Duvall (211 PAs)

105 Dugo

100 Refsnyder (198)

 

He's third in RBI, but not on pace for much more than Bogey and JD gave us last year.

 

But then there's offensive RAR:

 

Duran 14.7

Turner 14.2

Devers 11.0

Casas 9.8

Yoshida 9.7

Duvall 7.7 (in much fewer PA's)

[Dipre]

He'd be the second highest paid DH behind Schwarber, no?

 

So Giancarlo Stanton plays the field now?

[mvp 78]

So Giancarlo Stanton plays the field now?

 

He's a better fielder than Masa according to DRS and OAA.

 

He didn't show up on the list I was looking at because he doesn't have enough qualified at bats and I don't worry about AAA teams like the ones that play in the Bronx.

[Dipre]

He's a better fielder than Masa according to DRS and OAA.

 

He didn't show up on the list I was looking at because he doesn't have enough qualified at bats and I don't worry about AAA teams like the ones that play in the Bronx.

 

Stanton is a DH making nearly 30 per, is what I was getting at.

[Bellhorn04]

Stanton is a DH making nearly 30 per, is what I was getting at.

 

But Stanton doesn't tell us much about the "going rate" for DH's. When he signed his contract he was a lot younger and better player.

[moonslav59]

But Stanton doesn't tell us much about the "going rate" for DH's. When he signed his contract he was a lot younger and better player.

 

It was such a long term deal, I think the thought of him being a DH later in is career was a strong consideration. (They also knew they'd eventually trade him.)

[mvp 78]

Stanton is a DH making nearly 30 per, is what I was getting at.

 

Another Stantonian post by Dipre.

[mvp 78]

But Stanton doesn't tell us much about the "going rate" for DH's. When he signed his contract he was a lot younger and better player.

 

He was also a fulltime OFer.

[Dipre]

Miguel Cabrera, Nick Castellanos, Kyle Schwarber and Giancarlo Stanton are all examples of higher-paid "DH-types" than Yoshida, whose current 9.6 dollar value portends to him being worth slightly below his contract for this season, but an adjustment period was to be expected. Dude can flat out hit. He's being paid what he's worth.

[mvp 78]

Miguel Cabrera, Nick Castellanos, Kyle Schwarber and Giancarlo Stanton are all examples of higher-paid "DH-types" than Yoshida, whose current 9.6 dollar value portends to him being worth slightly below his contract for this season, but an adjustment period was to be expected. Dude can flat out hit. He's being paid what he's worth.

 

Castellanos has played 944 innings in RF this year. Cabrera's contract was signed when he was a 1B (no way is he going for 30M on the open market).

[mvp 78]

Also, let me say that I don't have a problem with his contract.

[Dipre]

Castellanos has played 944 innings in RF this year. Cabrera's contract was signed when he was a 1B (no way is he going for 30M on the open market).

 

That's why I said "DH-types", as some of them can play the field but are terrible at it, like Yoshida.

[redsoxrules]

Miguel Cabrera, Nick Castellanos, Kyle Schwarber and Giancarlo Stanton are all examples of higher-paid "DH-types" than Yoshida, whose current 9.6 dollar value portends to him being worth slightly below his contract for this season, but an adjustment period was to be expected. Dude can flat out hit. He's being paid what he's worth.

 

I'm not sure I would say he can flat out hit. Did you know he actually leads MLB in infield hits? And he's not even that fast. Some of those the scoring was generous on him and the others is from his chop swing that he does. You think that's going to be sustained for the next 4 years as he gets older and slower?

[mvp 78]

I'm not sure I would say he can flat out hit. Did you know he actually leads MLB in infield hits? And he's not even that fast. Some of those the scoring was generous on him and the others is from his chop swing that he does. You think that's going to be sustained for the next 4 years as he gets older and slower?

 

He's not fast, but his homeplate to 1b time is third fastest on the team.

[Dipre]

I'm not sure I would say he can flat out hit. Did you know he actually leads MLB in infield hits? And he's not even that fast. Some of those the scoring was generous on him and the others is from his chop swing that he does. You think that's going to be sustained for the next 4 years as he gets older and slower?

 

Likely to get better offensively as he further adjusts to the league. He's not ancient.

[Bellhorn04]

OPS by months:

 

832

962

742

844

630

[mvp 78]

OPS by months:

 

832

962

742

844

630

 

Seems like he may need... a day off.

[notin]

He's not fast, but his homeplate to 1b time is third fastest on the team.

 

He’s a decent base runner when not running into triple plays…

[notin]

He was also a fulltime OFer.

 

And actually a pretty good defensive one. Why did NY move him to DH?