Red Sox trade Hunter Renfroe in trade involving Jackie Bradley Jr

[Bellhorn04]

I was referring to his career, he's always been a very streaky hitter with a huge hole in his swing.

 

We should be seeing a really good streak soon then.

[Old Red]

Those of us who supported the trade had hopes JBJ could turn it around a bit. At the moment such hopes look dim, especially since our overall hitting approach looks so bad.

 

Hoping JBJ would hit again, and last year was a mirage, is more than just wishful thinking. He is who we think he is. I like JBJ, but bad trade is a mild response, and I said it at the time. Remember this trade was what the famous head scratcher comment on here was about.

[notin]

Hoping JBJ would hit again, and last year was a mirage, is more than just wishful thinking. He is who we think he is. I like JBJ, but bad trade is a mild response, and I said it at the time. Remember this trade was what the famous head scratcher comment on here was about.

 

I still think JBJ can and will be a net positive as a baseball player, but also we do have a Plan B in Duran who either needs a place to play or can be dealt. Right now, I don't get why they are not giving him another chance. Last year's struggles were still in only a little over 100 PA. That's not enough to tell anything either way...

[mvp 78]

I still think JBJ can and will be a net positive as a baseball player, but also we do have a Plan B in Duran who either needs a place to play or can be dealt. Right now, I don't get why they are not giving him another chance. Last year's struggles were still in only a little over 100 PA. That's not enough to tell anything either way...

 

Yes and his current high OPS in AAA isn't due to Home/Away splits like last season. He seems to be hitting much better away from WOO now and it's not just hitting bombs.

[moonslav59]

I still think JBJ can and will be a net positive as a baseball player, but also we do have a Plan B in Duran who either needs a place to play or can be dealt. Right now, I don't get why they are not giving him another chance. Last year's struggles were still in only a little over 100 PA. That's not enough to tell anything either way...

 

Duran needs to play everyday. I think the Sox feel like giving JBJ and others a month or more to work things out is reasonable. They stuck with Cordero for a long time, last year. Same with Marwin and don't forget, Renfroe was under .500 at the start of May, last year. Cora was being roasted for keeping Kike at lead-off, and people were saying Dalbec should be DFA'd, demoted or traded. There is evidence that giving players longer than a month works out.

 

Maybe more leeway is being given due to the short spring training.

 

If the idea is to call up Duran to play as much as Refsnyder, I can see why they waited.

 

I'm not sure they are all that close to pulling the plug on Dalbec, either. Arroyo, too.

 

I'm pretty certain, they are not considering benching Kike. He'll get at least another month, IMO.

[mvp 78]

Dalbec has a track record at this point. So does Arroyo. They made Dalbec a part time player at the end of last season, might as well do it now too. Arroyo can't stay health and isn't a special ballplayer. Give his roster spot to someone with a higher ceiling.

[moonslav59]

Dalbec has a track record at this point. So does Arroyo. They made Dalbec a part time player at the end of last season, might as well do it now too. Arroyo can't stay health and isn't a special ballplayer. Give his roster spot to someone with a higher ceiling.

 

Arroyo's track record also includes a decent .745 OPS from 2018-2021. (.711 including 2022.)

 

Dalbec now has 620 career PAs and a .775 OPS. That's not bad for any players first 620 PAs- also 34 HRs and 97 rbi.

[notin]

Dalbec has a track record at this point. So does Arroyo. They made Dalbec a part time player at the end of last season, might as well do it now too. Arroyo can't stay health and isn't a special ballplayer. Give his roster spot to someone with a higher ceiling.

 

Does Yollmer Sanchez really have a higher ceiling?

[notin]

Duran needs to play everyday. I think the Sox feel like giving JBJ and others a month or more to work things out is reasonable. They stuck with Cordero for a long time, last year. Same with Marwin and don't forget, Renfroe was under .500 at the start of May, last year. Cora was being roasted for keeping Kike at lead-off, and people were saying Dalbec should be DFA'd, demoted or traded. There is evidence that giving players longer than a month works out.

 

Maybe more leeway is being given due to the short spring training.

 

If the idea is to call up Duran to play as much as Refsnyder, I can see why they waited.

 

I'm not sure they are all that close to pulling the plug on Dalbec, either. Arroyo, too.

 

I'm pretty certain, they are not considering benching Kike. He'll get at least another month, IMO.

 

I think calling up Duran and letting him start over JBJ is worth a shot…

[mvp 78]

Arroyo's track record also includes a decent .745 OPS from 2018-2021. (.711 including 2022.)

 

Dalbec now has 620 career PAs and a .775 OPS. That's not bad for any players first 620 PAs- also 34 HRs and 97 rbi.

 

Arroyo is 27 and his max games played is 57 in a year.

 

Dalbec has JBJ syndrome: really hot streaks and then dreadful droughts.

[mvp 78]

Does Yollmer Sanchez really have a higher ceiling?

 

He can stay on the field and is a real defender.

 

Sanchez: career 79 wRC+

Arroyo: career 80 wRC+

[moonslav59]

Arroyo is 27 and his max games played is 57 in a year.

 

Dalbec has JBJ syndrome: really hot streaks and then dreadful droughts.

 

As long as you end up at .745 (Arroyo) or .775 (Dalbec) it's not all that bad, but I get your point.

 

It's also no guarantee both will even end up over .650, let alone .700, but then again, Casas, Duran, Sanchez and Fitzy might not, either.

 

How long is long enough on guys like Arroyo, Dalbec and Cordero. Or, JBJ, Kike and Vaz?

[mvp 78]

As long as you end up at .745 (Arroyo) or .775 (Dalbec) it's not all that bad, but I get your point.

 

It's also no guarantee both will even end up over .650, let alone .700, but then again, Casas, Duran, Sanchez and Fitzy might not, either.

 

How long is long enough on guys like Arroyo, Dalbec and Cordero. Or, JBJ, Kike and Vaz?

 

Cordero and Arroyo can go at anytime. With Vaz, it's about how he works with the pitchers. I can't speak to that. Kiké has a very long leash, but part of it puts him into a UTIL role. JBJ? If everyone is hitting, he's not an issue. With everyone not hitting, should he still be an issue?

[notin]

He can stay on the field and is a real defender.

 

Sanchez: career 79 wRC+

Arroyo: career 80 wRC+

 

 

Stay on the field over who? Arroyo rarely starts

[mvp 78]

Stay on the field over who? Arroyo rarely starts

 

8/13/20 Sox claim Arroyo off waivers

8/16/20 Sox place Arroyo on 10 day IL

5/9/21 Sox place Arroyo on 10 day IL

6/24/21 Sox place Arroyo on 10 day IL

7/19/21 Sox place Arroyo on 10 day IL

8/27/21 Sox place Arroyo on 10 day IL

[notin]

8/13/20 Sox claim Arroyo off waivers

8/16/20 Sox place Arroyo on 10 day IL

5/9/21 Sox place Arroyo on 10 day IL

6/24/21 Sox place Arroyo on 10 day IL

7/19/21 Sox place Arroyo on 10 day IL

8/27/21 Sox place Arroyo on 10 day IL

 

I’m aware of his injury history.

 

I just don’t think upgrading the utility infielder position is much of a solution…

[mvp 78]

I’m aware of his injury history.

 

I just don’t think upgrading the utility infielder position is much of a solution…

 

I'm taking a holistic approach. DFAing Arroyo doesn't fix the problem on its own, but it's part of the solution IMO.

[notin]

I'm taking a holistic approach. DFAing Arroyo doesn't fix the problem on its own, but it's part of the solution IMO.

 

It just strikes me as change for the sake of change.

 

Especially since the Sox can just wait for Arroyo to get hurt and call up Sanchez…

[mvp 78]

It just strikes me as change for the sake of change.

 

Especially since the Sox can just wait for Arroyo to get hurt and call up Sanchez…

 

They only get 40 man relief if he goes on the 60 day IL.

[notin]

They only get 40 man relief if he goes on the 60 day IL.

 

 

Or if the Sox DFA someone like Tyler Danish or Jaylin Davis…

[mvp 78]

Or if the Sox DFA someone like Tyler Danish or Jaylin Davis…

 

Neither of those guys are listed on the 40 man.

[moonslav59]

Neither of those guys are listed on the 40 man.

 

Both are listed on the 40 man per soxprospects.com:

 

https://soxprospects.com/40man.htm

[notin]

Neither of those guys are listed on the 40 man.

 

Is Soxprospects.com incorrect?

 

I might need a more accurate source…

[mvp 78]

Is Soxprospects.com incorrect?

 

I might need a more accurate source…

 

Davis in on MLB.com (I thought he was a pitcher), but Danish is not? I usually just go with them.

[moonslav59]

Wasn't Danish one of those COVID additions allowed but not on the 40?

[JDavis76]

Wasn't Danish one of those COVID additions allowed but not on the 40?

 

Not sure, but sometimes I like a danish in addition to my coffee in the morning, particularly blueberry.

[notin]

Wasn't Danish one of those COVID additions allowed but not on the 40?

 

No. He was a waiver claim who needed to be added right away…

[harmony]

FWIW Roster Resource has Jaylin Davis and Tyler Danish on the 40-man roster:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/depth-charts/red-sox

[mvp 78]

Renfroe now has 0.5 fWAR and would have the 4th highest OPS on the team. He has as many HR's as the top 2 Sox.

[notin]

Renfroe now has 0.5 fWAR and would have the 4th highest OPS on the team. He has as many HR's as the top 2 Sox.

 

Gee he’s doing as well as a unit that struggles to score so badly that you wouldn’t notice a difference if MLB replaced all the basepaths with quicksand…