NCAA Football

[Bellhorn04]

As I've been saying for a while now, big college sports is an incredibly corrupt enterprise. What isn't?

 

I guess you're even more cynical than me. But this is just one more example. The money involved in US college football is unbelievable, as the Jimbo Fisher buyout thing just proved.

[moonslav59]

I guess you're even more cynical than me. But this is just one more example. The money involved in US college football is unbelievable, as the Jimbo Fisher buyout thing just proved.

 

FSU falls one slot after beating a top 15 Louisville.

 

Texas and AL jump several slots after beating a top 15 team.

 

That's corruption.

 

They should have covered their ases by not having FSU in the top 4 before this past week's games.

 

Florida Sen. Rick Scott is demanding an investigation.

[Old Red]

FSU falls one slot after beating a top 15 Louisville.

 

Texas and AL jump several slots after beating a top 15 team.

 

That's corruption.

 

They should have covered their ases by not having FSU in the top 4 before this past week's games.

 

Florida Sen. Rick Scott is demanding an investigation.

 

Especially after the two polls the AP, and the Coaches poll had Fla State in the top 4 also. Like I keep saying deciding who gets in by a bunch of guys in a smoke filled rm is a very flawed system, but then again college FB has always flawed. I still remember back in the day when ND jumped from 5th to ist after winning a bowl game.

[moonslav59]

Especially after the two polls the AP, and the Coaches poll had Fla State in the top 4 also. Like I keep saying deciding who gets in by a bunch of guys in a smoke filled rm is a very flawed system, but then again college FB has always flawed. I still remember back in the day when ND jumped from 5th to ist after winning a bowl game.

 

Yes, that was my freshman year at ND, when ND beat #1 Texas in the Cotton Bowl. The #2, 3 and 4 teams were committed to other bowls. There were 4-5 teams that ended up with 1 loss.

 

It seems to be a long standing tradition that beating the number one team means more than anything else, despite the fact that that #1 team usually drops to #4 to 6.

 

In '73, ND beat Alabama and the polls split, because one poll did not update it's national champ after the bowl games.

 

Other split championships:

 

2003 LSU (BCS) and USC (AP)

Pre BCS

1997 MI & NEB

1991 WSH & MIA (Fla)

1990 COL & GA Tech

1978 Ala & USC

1974 USC & OK

 

3 teams:

1970 NEB, TEX & Ohio St

1964 ALA, Ark, ND

 

[notin]

Now that would have been a real punishment.

 

The NCAA doesn’t believe in punishing good teams and players…

[moonslav59]

The NCAA doesn’t believe in punishing good teams and players…

 

The committee members are idiots.

 

They should have ranked FSU 5th or 6th, before the weekend.

[notin]

The committee members are idiots.

 

They should have ranked FSU 5th or 6th, before the weekend.

 

Bottom line - we all knew Alabama was NOT missing the playoffs and FSU was the biggest risk of being left out for non-football reasons…

[dgalehouse]

If Georgia beat Alabama, The Noles still would have been out.

[moonslav59]

Bottom line - we all knew Alabama was NOT missing the playoffs and FSU was the biggest risk of being left out for non-football reasons…

 

I get that. My point was they knew all this before this past weekend, and could have made their lives easier by dinging FSU 1-2 weeks ago, or whenever their QB got hurt.

 

They looked silly dinging them after beating Louisville.

[moonslav59]

If Georgia beat Alabama, The Noles still would have been out.

 

A case could be made Ohio St. belongs. Their only loss was by 3 at the number 1 team's home filed.

[Old Red]

ND gets transfer QB from Duke. It seems like the last 4 years ND has had trouble signing, and developing their own QB, and has had to go outside to get one. Buchner was supposed to being the next big thing, and he got hurt, and sucked anyway. Edited December 13, 2023 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

ND gets transfer QB from Duke. It seems like the last 4 years ND has had trouble signing, and developing their own QB, and has had to go outside to get one. Buchner was supposed to being the next big thing, and he got hurt, and sucked anyway.

 

The QB position should be the one position ND should recruit well. Generally, they are smarter and can meet the high entrance standards at ND. The QB also knows he will be on national TV, every weekend.

[Jasonbay44]

Riley Leonard was a projected to be a first round pick before he hurt his ankle and it sidetracked his season.

 

Also, developing QBs in college is easier said than done. It’s a new era and almost every star QB who’s on a playoff contender is a transfer.

 

Jayden Daniels, Michael Penix and Bo Nix all competed for heisman this year, all were transfer QBs. As were Jalen Hurts, Joe Burrow, Caleb Williams, Quinn Ewers, Kyler Murray, and many others.

[Jasonbay44]

Also, Notre Dame in 2025 has one of the best QB prospects in the nation coming, and he’s been recruiting many other high level recruits, giving Notre Dame one of best recruiting classes for that year.

 

https://www.si.com/college/notredame/recruiting/quarterback-deuce-knight-is-aiming-for-the-best-recruiting-class-in-notre-dame-history

[moonslav59]

Also, Notre Dame in 2025 has one of the best QB prospects in the nation coming, and he’s been recruiting many other high level recruits, giving Notre Dame one of best recruiting classes for that year.

 

https://www.si.com/college/notredame/recruiting/quarterback-deuce-knight-is-aiming-for-the-best-recruiting-class-in-notre-dame-history

 

Good news!

 

It's been a long time since the last championship.

[Old Red]

ND announced today that Alt would be sitting out the Bowl game, which was not unexpected. I think pretty much ND starting OL is gone now. So many players are now sitting out these Bowl games that you don’t get the teams that played all year, or finished the season.

[Jasonbay44]

ND announced today that Alt would be sitting out the Bowl game, which was not unexpected. I think pretty much ND starting OL is gone now. So many players are now sitting out these Bowl games that you don’t get the teams that played all year, or finished the season.

 

I mean the bowl game means nothing and he’s going top 10 in the draft. Jaylon Smith went from top 10-15 pick to falling to 2nd round because of a major knee injury he suffered in a meaningless bowl game. There is no benefit to these kids playing.

[Old Red]

I mean the bowl game means nothing and he’s going top 10 in the draft. Jaylon Smith went from top 10-15 pick to falling to 2nd round because of a major knee injury he suffered in a meaningless bowl game. There is no benefit to these kids playing.

 

I agree, and it’s the Bowl games that mean even less today, because of all the players who sit out.

[moonslav59]

I agree, and it’s the Bowl games that mean even less today, because of all the players who sit out.

 

There does not seem to be an easy solution.

[Old Red]

There does not seem to be an easy solution.

 

This just started not to many years ago, and it seems to be more, and more every year. I can’t blame the players for sitting out, and I don’t see any solution that would fix the problem.

[moonslav59]

This just started not to many years ago, and it seems to be more, and more every year. I can’t blame the players for sitting out, and I don’t see any solution that would fix the problem.

 

It's weird how no NCAA basketball players sit out March Madness.

[Jasonbay44]

It's weird how no NCAA basketball players sit out March Madness.

 

They all have the chance of being a champion in March madness and can even potentially improve their draft stock or if they play at a small school? Get noticed by the bigger schools/earn NIL deals. Ja Morants performance in March madness at Murray State definitely helped him. Same with Dame at Weber State and CJ McCollum at Lehigh.

 

Winning the “mayonnaise bowl” and dollar general bowl isn’t going to help these players stock and the games realistically don’t mean anything and football is also a much more dangerous sport than basketball in terms of potential long term/career ending injuries.

Edited December 13, 2023 by Jasonbay44

[moonslav59]

They all have the chance of being a champion in March madness and can even potentially improve their draft stock or if they play at a small school? Get noticed by the bigger schools/earn NIL deals. Ja Morants performance in March madness at Murray State definitely helped him. Same with Dame at Weber State and CJ McCollum at Lehigh.

 

Winning the “mayonnaise bowl” and dollar general bowl isn’t going to help these players stock and the games realistically don’t mean anything and football is also a much more dangerous sport than basketball in terms of potential long term/career ending injuries.

 

I get that.

 

BTW, I knew about Ja, before the tourney, and I took Murray St to go to the final 8. I do think his play helped his draft slot.

 

I do think a nice bowl game can help, too, and since there are so few football games compared to b-ball. The injury factor is a huge issue, though, and I totally understand. It sucks for the fans and the university.

 

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[Jasonbay44]

I get that.

 

BTW, I knew about Ja, before the tourney, and I took Murray St to go to the final 8. I do think his play helped his draft slot.

 

I do think a nice bowl game can help, too, and since there are so few football games compared to b-ball. The injury factor is a huge issue, though, and I totally understand. It sucks for the fans and the university.

 

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I know about Ja before too, but IIRC Murray State pulling off some impressive tournament games including an upset kind of moved the needle from top 5 pick to consensus number 2 behind Zion. He was just a recent example off the top of my head.

 

I think one kind of odd thing about the football season is that the transfers start as soon as regular season is over. We haven’t even had the bowl games or playoffs start yet and dozens of players have transferred to new teams.

 

In basketball, the players don’t transfer/enter draft till after the NCAA tournament.

[Old Red]

Notre Dame goes today with pretty much a whole new offense from what they finished the season with due to transfers, and sit outs. ND opens on the road next year too at A&M, so that will be a tough start to the season. Edited December 29, 2023 by Old Red

[dgalehouse]

The bowl games are not what they used to be. But N.D. sure looked good yesterday. Does that bode well for next season ? We will see.

[Old Red]

The bowl games are not what they used to be. But N.D. sure looked good yesterday. Does that bode well for next season ? We will see.

 

I don’t think you learn anything, and take into next year from yesterday’s game. It was 1 JV team against another JV team. Glad to see Angeli get a chance, and looked pretty good, but he’ll be back to the bench next year if he doesn’t transfer.

[dgalehouse]

The Noles aren't exactly helping their case that they belong in the playoffs. Georgia may still be the best team in the country. Certainly better than Texas and Washington anyway.

[moonslav59]

The bowl games are not what they used to be. But N.D. sure looked good yesterday. Does that bode well for next season ? We will see.

 

Hard to know, if that game matters at all for 2024.

[moonslav59]

Love seeing ALA go down right away. Great game.

 

These past 2 days do seem to support ALA belonged over FSU.

 

I do think GA had a strong case to be in the final 4, and I said it back then. If it's about choosing the best 4 teams, I'm not sure how GA was not one, based only on the recency of their one loss before selection day.