June 6: BOS (Richards) @ NYY (German)

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

When one thinks about it, the SOX may have had 3 of the craziest players ever: Jimmy Piersall, Bill Lee and Manny.

 

Piersall, in spite of his insanity, was a great defensive outfielder. Sometimes that gets lost with his climbing the Pesky Pole and running the bases backwards.

[illinoisredsox]

Good call.

 

Bill Lee was the master of the 11 hit shutout.

 

BTW, ND’s baseball team won their regional this afternoon to move on in the NCAA tournament, out scoring Central Michigan and UConn 50-5 in 3 games. Some guy named Kavadas hit 5 homers in the games; after the 5th today, CMU walked him 4 times, including once with men on 1st and 2nd and no one out. The next batter promptly hit a grand slam.

[moonslav59]

Bill Lee was one of my all time favorite Sox players.

 

He was a fun loving character but was very serious when on the mound.

 

He won 17 games for 3 years in a row from 1973 to 1975. He got involved in a nasty fight with the Yanks where the intentionally destroyed his throwing shoulder.

From 1971 to 1975, he had a 3,30 ERA (119 ERA+) despite a 1.32 WHIP. He pitched better with men on base.

 

He had a decent season with the Expos after being traded after a decent last season with the Sox in 1978 (3.46 ERA/121 ERA+)

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

BTW, ND’s baseball team won their regional this afternoon to move on in the NCAA tournament, out scoring Central Michigan and UConn 50-5 in 3 games. Some guy named Kavadas hit 5 homers in the games; after the 5th today, CMU walked him 4 times, including once with men on 1st and 2nd and no one out. The next batter promptly hit a grand slam.

 

That's what the SOX should have done to the Yankems; it would have been much more relaxing to watch.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Bill Lee was one of my all time favorite Sox players.

 

He was a fun loving character but was very serious when on the mound.

 

He won 17 games for 3 years in a row from 1973 to 1975. He got involved in a nasty fight with the Yanks where the intentionally destroyed his throwing shoulder.

From 1971 to 1975, he had a 3,30 ERA (119 ERA+) despite a 1.32 WHIP. He pitched better with men on base.

 

He had a decent season with the Expos after being traded after a decent last season with the Sox in 1978 (3.46 ERA/121 ERA+)

 

He was also in charge of taking care of loose beachballs at Fenway.

[moonslav59]

When one thinks about it, the SOX may have had 3 of the craziest players ever: Jimmy Piersall, Bill Lee and Manny.

 

Piersall, in spite of his insanity, was a great defensive outfielder. Sometimes that gets lost with his climbing the Pesky Pole and running the bases backwards.

 

How about Roger Moret going into a catatonic state in the locker room?

 

Oil Can Boyd after the All Star snub.

 

Carl Everett.

 

[moonslav59]

MLB.com headline:

 

"X Marks the Sweep"

[moonslav59]

We are 5.5 games up an the New York Jacko-ankees!

 

6 in the loss column.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

How about Roger Moret going into a catatonic state in the locker room?

 

Oil Can Boyd after the All Star snub.

 

Carl Everett.

 

 

Damn, how could I have forgotten Carl Everett? Maybe they were drinking from the Charles River.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

We are 5.5 games up an the New York Jacko-ankees!

 

6 in the loss column.

 

 

Btw, Moon, you probably know this already, but tomorrow's game has a 5:10 starting time.

[d-money]

Lovely sweep after the struggles in Houston. Go sawx!!!!!

[iortiz]

Lovely sweep after the struggles in Houston. Go sawx!!!!!

 

Offense was dead in that series. They woke up a bit here, specially the bottom of the order and when it counts the most.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I thought A-Rod called a good game. It is too bad A-Rod was a steroids junkie, he knows baseball pretty well and has pretty good instincts when seeing things unfold on the diamond. He called out C.Frazier in right field, Dalbec holding a runner on 1b, and Cashman building the Yankees lineup around right-handed hitters. He is also right when he said that Cora is the best manager or one of the best managers in the game.

[Thunder]

That game was an instant classic and the best Sox-Yankees game in years. If any of you can find something wrong with it, there's something wrong with you

[Bellhorn04]

Surprised there was never a PED dispenser in the form of A-Roid.

 

LOL that is funny.

[jung]

Good point. But if you believe pitching wins pennants, which I do, a team has to give up quality to get quality in return. This is, of course, speculative and probably is not going to happen.

 

Agreed. But I don't see a guy out there that would be traded back to us for JD that would significantly change the profile of our starting pitching. The rotation has reached a level of competence that is pretty competitive for the way the contemporary game is played. I really worry that Richards is a time bomb waiting to go off. But who cares really. When he explodes on the mound I guess I can say I told ya' so if I want to but other than that, I don't know what to do about it. The Sox are for this year committed to Richards.

 

Erod is clearly not all the way back yet but pitchers now pitch their way back to health. If they can crawl to the mound and their arm is not falling off, they pitch. The other three guys need to have what amounts to career years for consistent performance for this rotation to maintain its current lofty position as a contributor to the team effort. I would rather bet on that than bet the Sox could find a way to take one of the big 3 out of the batting order every night and fill the hole he would leave.

 

I think the Sox will make the playoffs with this team as constructed even surviving SANTANA at lead off though that one really gets under my skin. Now once they get there, THAT IMO is when this team is likely to run into trouble.

[Thunder]

BTW, ND’s baseball team won their regional this afternoon to move on in the NCAA tournament, out scoring Central Michigan and UConn 50-5 in 3 games. Some guy named Kavadas hit 5 homers in the games; after the 5th today, CMU walked him 4 times, including once with men on 1st and 2nd and no one out. The next batter promptly hit a grand slam.

 

Don't remind me.

[Maxbialystock]

When one thinks about it, the SOX may have had 3 of the craziest players ever: Jimmy Piersall, Bill Lee and Manny.

 

Piersall, in spite of his insanity, was a great defensive outfielder. Sometimes that gets lost with his climbing the Pesky Pole and running the bases backwards.

 

Piersall was diagnosed as manic depressive in 1952 and took lithium, which helped a lot, for the rest of his life. He was a very good defensive centerfielder and once had a throwing contest--centerfield to home plate--with Willie Mays.

[Maxbialystock]

Agreed. But I don't see a guy out there that would be traded back to us for JD that would significantly change the profile of our starting pitching. The rotation has reached a level of competence that is pretty competitive for the way the contemporary game is played. I really worry that Richards is a time bomb waiting to go off. But who cares really. When he explodes on the mound I guess I can say I told ya' so if I want to but other than that, I don't know what to do about it. The Sox are for this year committed to Richards.

 

Erod is clearly not all the way back yet but pitchers now pitch their way back to health. If they can crawl to the mound and their arm is not falling off, they pitch. The other three guys need to have what amounts to career years for consistent performance for this rotation to maintain its current lofty position as a contributor to the team effort. I would rather bet on that than bet the Sox could find a way to take one of the big 3 out of the batting order every night and fill the hole he would leave.

 

I think the Sox will make the playoffs with this team as constructed even surviving SANTANA at lead off though that one really gets under my skin. Now once they get there, THAT IMO is when this team is likely to run into trouble.

 

This makes sense to me because JDM seems to be helping this lineup the same way he helped the 2018 lineup, which was more talented. To date, he has the highest OPS on the Sox and the most runs scored. He is 2d in rbi's, total bases, and WAR.

 

I also have my doubts about going after a great arm. Getting Eovaldi in 2018 helped, but back then DD had JH's permission to spend almost any amount of money and unload any amount of minor league talent. Your point, with which I agree, is that the Sox have postseason potential, but probably not WS potential, regardless of any trade.

 

No one has worked so far leading off for the Sox. My candidate would be Arroyo, whose OBP, .333, is 5th best after the usual suspects' (JDM, Bogey, Verdugo, Devers).

 

As for Santana, despite his hot start, his OPS is now .530 and his OBP .205. Hernandez's OPS is .654 and OBP .277.

[mvp 78]

Jacko was right, there are only 3 good teams in the ALE: Sox, Rays, Jays.

 

It's just a shame that his "five year track record of knowing exactly how the Sox season will turn out" is finally over.

[Maxbialystock]

Jacko was right, there are only 3 good teams in the ALE: Sox, Rays, Jays.

 

It's just a shame that his "five year track record of knowing exactly how the Sox season will turn out" is finally over.

 

 

The AL East has the best won-lost record of the six MLB divisions, so there is only one bad team in the AL East.

 

The Yankees' hitting sucks--ARod could be right about their lineup not suiting Yankee Stadium--but their pitching is pretty good.

[mvp 78]

The AL East has the best won-lost record of the six MLB divisions, so there is only one bad team in the AL East.

 

The Yankees' hitting sucks--ARod could be right about their lineup not suiting Yankee Stadium--but their pitching is pretty good.

 

22nd in OPS, 25th in runs scored... Not a very good team IMO.

[iortiz]

The AL East has the best won-lost record of the six MLB divisions, so there is only one bad team in the AL East.

 

The Yankees' hitting sucks--ARod could be right about their lineup not suiting Yankee Stadium--but their pitching is pretty good.

 

well, their pitching hasn't been good lately either. Not to mention Kluber is gone. Cole was just destroyed. Their pen can't hold games anymore. How many runs have they eaten since they were swept by Detroit (yes, Detroit)?

 

They have to rebuild. IMO.

[TylerD]

Agreed. But I don't see a guy out there that would be traded back to us for JD that would significantly change the profile of our starting pitching. The rotation has reached a level of competence that is pretty competitive for the way the contemporary game is played. I really worry that Richards is a time bomb waiting to go off. But who cares really. When he explodes on the mound I guess I can say I told ya' so if I want to but other than that, I don't know what to do about it. The Sox are for this year committed to Richards.

 

Erod is clearly not all the way back yet but pitchers now pitch their way back to health. If they can crawl to the mound and their arm is not falling off, they pitch. The other three guys need to have what amounts to career years for consistent performance for this rotation to maintain its current lofty position as a contributor to the team effort. I would rather bet on that than bet the Sox could find a way to take one of the big 3 out of the batting order every night and fill the hole he would leave.

 

I think the Sox will make the playoffs with this team as constructed even surviving SANTANA at lead off though that one really gets under my skin. Now once they get there, THAT IMO is when this team is likely to run into trouble.

 

I happen to think we have the pitching to win the World Series. Our 3, 4 and 5 are playing very well. I wish Richards wouldn’t load the damn bases so much but regardless. Nate has looked good his last two starts. E Rod still looks like s***. If Sale comes back and looks anything like his former self, I don’t believe pitching will be an issue for us.

[mvp 78]

well, their pitching hasn't been good lately either. Not to mention Kluber is gone. Cole was just destroyed. Their pen can't hold games anymore. How many runs have they eaten since they were swept by Detroit (yes, Detroit)?

 

They have to rebuild. IMO.

 

Tear it down or just be a mediocre team for the next 4-5 years.

[iortiz]

Tear it down or just be a mediocre team for the next 4-5 years.

 

As I said it in other post, The New York Yankees are nothing but a team loaded of plenty injury-prone and overrated players who btw make tons of money.

 

Yeah, this formula on paper looked good some years ago. It hasn't worked out and IMHO they won't go anywhere like this. They need to rebuild from the ground.

[notin]

well, their pitching hasn't been good lately either. Not to mention Kluber is gone. Cole was just destroyed. Their pen can't hold games anymore. How many runs have they eaten since they were swept by Detroit (yes, Detroit)?

 

They have to rebuild. IMO.

 

As much as a Yankee rebuild would make me smile, they don’t need one and aren’t going to do one. They have a solid core in Cole, Judge, Torres, Chapman, LeMahieu all under control for the next couple years. They have a strong budget.

 

The Stanton contract looks like an obstacle, but the problem is, no matter how extensive any rebuild, that’s the one contract they’re going to be stuck with.

 

What they really need to consider is limiting their reclamation projects to maybe one per season. Adding Kluber, who basically missed two seasons, and Taillon, who career attendance is spotty at best, at the same time as the two major off-season adds, was just being naive. Especially for a team bitten with injury bug problems with great frequency in recent seasons.

 

I just can’t picture that sales pitch. “I know we’ve been clobbered with injuries these past few years, but we really need to add an aging pitcher coming off two lost seasons and another guy who just had Tommy John surgery! Those are the missing pieces!!”

 

Well, missing, maybe...

[iortiz]

As much as a Yankee rebuild would make me smile, they don’t need one and aren’t going to do one. They have a solid core in Cole, Judge, Torres, Chapman, LeMahieu all under control for the next couple years. They have a strong budget.

 

The Stanton contract looks like an obstacle, but the problem is, no matter how extensive any rebuild, that’s the one contract they’re going to be stuck with.

 

What they really need to consider is limiting their reclamation projects to maybe one per season. Adding Kluber, who basically missed two seasons, and Taillon, who career attendance is spotty at best, at the same time as the two major off-season adds, was just being naive. Especially for a team bitten with injury bug problems with great frequency in recent seasons.

 

I just can’t picture that sales pitch. “I know we’ve been clobbered with injuries these past few years, but we really need to add an aging pitcher coming off two lost seasons and another guy who just had Tommy John surgery! Those are the missing pieces!!”

 

Well, missing, maybe...

 

That is a very thin core IMO and not to mention Jugde is made of crystal glass.

 

If they want to spend like drunken sailors again, be my guest, but money won't fix this in the short-term.

 

Their problems are deeper the way I see it. They need to change their philosophy, and in order to do that they have to replace their FO.

[moonslav59]

As I said it in other post, The New York Yankees are nothing but a team loaded of plenty injury-prone and overrated players who btw make tons of money.

 

Yeah, this formula on paper looked good some years ago. It hasn't worked out and IMHO they won't go anywhere like this. They need to rebuild from the ground.

 

I'm not defending the "Yankee formula," but they have won 167 games since 2019 to our 144 wins and 267 from 2018 to today. We won 252 games since 2018.

 

The Yanks also currently have a better farm than ours in maybe all rankings.

[iortiz]

I'm not defending the "Yankee formula," but they have won 167 games since 2019 to our 144 wins and 267 from 2018 to today. We won 252 games since 2018.

 

The Yanks also currently have a better farm than ours in maybe all rankings.

 

As I said, they could be a mediocre-to-good team in coming years but they will never win a WS going like this.

 

We have won 4 WS since JH arrived. Our formula has worked better since then. We have pushed the right buttons when we needed even when it meant to change the entire FO. Adapt or die. We had to sacrifice several key pieces of the farm in the process in order to win rings. It has worked out. In the end that is ultimate goal. Winning rings.

 

TBR, Atlanta, OAK and other other "good" farms haven't won s*** in years either.

 

Actually, our farm has been better since then. It has been on the field where it matters —winning championships. Yankees haven't been in that position.

 

BTW funny how you constantly defend the Yankees LOL