Yankees 2021 Season Thread

[moonslav59]

Let's look at Garcia's AAA numbers.

 

55.2 IP

52 hits

32 BB

5 HBP

1.51 WHIP

10 HR

 

Pretty terrible.

 

He’s 2 years younger than Houck, who had a 4.5o ERA in AAA with a 1.464WHIP.

 

Look how gah gah many Sox were after a 17 IP sample size in the bigs last year.

 

We’d have been high on Garcia to start this season, too, if he were ours.

[Bellhorn04]

He’s 2 years younger than Houck, who had a 4.5o ERA in AAA with a 1.464WHIP.

 

Look how gah gah many Sox were after a 17 IP sample size in the bigs last year.

 

We’d have been high on Garcia to start this season, too, if he were ours.

 

Being objective, neither one of them are projecting all that well.

[moonslav59]

Being objective, neither one of them are projecting all that well.

 

Not this year, no, but both had resumes to project as 6/7 starters before the year began, and if had to choose one, I’d have taken Garcia based mostly on age and past numbers at levels with younger age comps to Houck.

[dgalehouse]

Garcia is another one of those kids who was unfairly hyped as " The next Pedro." When I see him pitch , I wonder what they were thinking. He is not even close to that. Unfortunately, bearing a passing resemblance to someone does not give you that person's talent and ability.

[jacksonianmarch]

Time to fire someone. A sweep is unexplainable

[dgalehouse]

Time to fire someone. A sweep is unexplainable

 

Watching the game , the only expression that comes to mind is ; " The wheels are coming off ."

[iortiz]

Not this year, no, but both had resumes to project as 6/7 starters before the year began, and if had to choose one, I’d have taken Garcia based mostly on age and past numbers at levels with younger age comps to Houck.

 

My point of my post rest my case. He is not the answer for NY this year. Not even close.

[iortiz]

Let's look at Garcia's AAA numbers.

 

55.2 IP

52 hits

32 BB

5 HBP

1.51 WHIP

10 HR

 

Pretty terrible.

 

I think I wasn’t that wrong in my post. He is probably a project at best but not an answer for them this year.

[iortiz]

Houk already pitched in majors and he did just great. Houk is a reality (or very close to be). This kid Garcia hasn’t showed anything yet. Moon and the sun in my book.

[Bellhorn04]

The Yankees need Carlos Beltran back on staff. He did wonders for their offense in 2019.

[jacksonianmarch]

Houk already pitched in majors and he did just great. Houk is a reality (or very close to be). This kid Garcia hasn’t showed anything yet. Moon and the sun in my book.

 

Garcia is also 22 yrs old and was struggling in AAA the past 2 weeks. Nothing like bringing a kid up when he is scuffling to boost his stock. The kid is running into what other great prospects run into, their first real rut. It will be how he responds that will set him apart. He is also not the standard prospect. Nowadays every prospect throws 97. This kid tops out at 95-96 but mostly sits 91-92. His claim to fame is the movement he gets on his pitches and the change of speeds. Thing is, he is sacrificing command for movement. That will work in the lower minors, but will get you killed as you move up. He will learn his lesson, but he needs to stick in AAA for a bit to hone his craft.

 

I also like Mike King, but today's start was something similar to Garcia. King is a sinker slider guy. Today, his sinker wasnt really sinking, but it was running a mile. It was almost entirely moving laterally which meant he couldnt command it enough to avoid walks, but also meant he couldnt command it in the zone. These guys are young, they will get their stuff together eventually.

 

The major issue I have today is the fact that we scored 2 earned runs off the Tigers in 26+IP. You cannot win if you don't hit and this offense is lifeless when Judge and Stanton don't hit. We are past the 1/3 marker of the season. It might be time for a new philosophy

[jacksonianmarch]

WTF Sanchez?

 

How can Cashman sit there and say ANYTHING positive about the team offensively? They cannot run the bases. The cannot hit. They play bad defense in spurts. The Yanks have had more outs on the bases in the entirety of the MLB. That is a firable offense for a coach. Cash should send a message. Thames, the position coaches, base running coaches, gone. Boone can stay for the rest of the year. Pitching coach stays. But this is entirely ridiculous

[bkzwhitestrican]

I think Thames should be gone, and not because I think he is the reason the offense isn't hitting. But there are no consequences for anyone hitting .150, you still get to play everyday. Players need to see that they can't keep hitting like this without someone losing their job.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think Thames should be gone, and not because I think he is the reason the offense isn't hitting. But there are no consequences for anyone hitting .150, you still get to play everyday. Players need to see that they can't keep hitting like this without someone losing their job.

 

That's the thing. You can't fire your players, but you can fire coaches. Thames' approach has worked in the past, but he isnt adjusting the team philosophy to the new way of playing. For that, he needs to go

[moonslav59]

WTF Sanchez?

 

How can Cashman sit there and say ANYTHING positive about the team offensively? They cannot run the bases. The cannot hit. They play bad defense in spurts. The Yanks have had more outs on the bases in the entirety of the MLB. That is a firable offense for a coach. Cash should send a message. Thames, the position coaches, base running coaches, gone. Boone can stay for the rest of the year. Pitching coach stays. But this is entirely ridiculous

 

The buck stops with Boone and Cashman.

 

Firing coaches is just for show.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

D.Garcia is so hyped. He is a future bottom of the rotation starter at best and in the long run is a better fit for the bullpen.

 

The Yankees need the depth that G.Whitlock would provide, but Cashman is a moron.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I'm happy to see that A.Judge is putting up decent numbers this year, even though many of his HRs came against the Orioles pitching staff. Hopefully, the Yankees will sign Judge to a 300 million dollar contract. That would be awesome.

[iortiz]

Garcia is also 22 yrs old and was struggling in AAA the past 2 weeks. Nothing like bringing a kid up when he is scuffling to boost his stock. The kid is running into what other great prospects run into, their first real rut. It will be how he responds that will set him apart. He is also not the standard prospect. Nowadays every prospect throws 97. This kid tops out at 95-96 but mostly sits 91-92. His claim to fame is the movement he gets on his pitches and the change of speeds. Thing is, he is sacrificing command for movement. That will work in the lower minors, but will get you killed as you move up. He will learn his lesson, but he needs to stick in AAA for a bit to hone his craft.

 

I also like Mike King, but today's start was something similar to Garcia. King is a sinker slider guy. Today, his sinker wasnt really sinking, but it was running a mile. It was almost entirely moving laterally which meant he couldnt command it enough to avoid walks, but also meant he couldnt command it in the zone. These guys are young, they will get their stuff together eventually.

 

The major issue I have today is the fact that we scored 2 earned runs off the Tigers in 26+IP. You cannot win if you don't hit and this offense is lifeless when Judge and Stanton don't hit. We are past the 1/3 marker of the season. It might be time for a new philosophy

 

All I'm saying Garcia is not the answer for NY this year specially considering Kluber will miss at least 2 months. The fact he was just demoted rest my case.

 

Is he going to pan out in the mid-long term? that's another topic but for all have been said in recent posts is a complete mystery.

[jacksonianmarch]

All I'm saying Garcia is not the answer for NY this year specially considering Kluber will miss at least 2 months. The fact he was just demoted rest my case.

 

Is he going to pan out in the mid-long term? that's another topic but for all have been said in recent posts is a complete mystery.

 

Again, it’s essentially June 1. It’s too early to say that. Garcia might go down to AAA and light it aflame and come back productive

[iortiz]

Again, it’s essentially June 1. It’s too early to say that. Garcia might go down to AAA and light it aflame and come back productive

 

IF (BIG IF here) that happens it will take what?, 1-2 months from here? by then, NY could be out of the race.

 

You need solutions, NOW! specially since Kluber will be out for 2 months and your offense is plain dead.

 

Kind of my point.

[moonslav59]

The kid has had 2 starts and 8 IP, so no definitive judgments can be made this soon.

 

I think it looks worse because all of the low scoring, this year.

 

He deserves a longer look.

[jacksonianmarch]

Severino is starting a rehab assignment on Sunday. He will have to be activated within 30 days.

[jacksonianmarch]

IF (BIG IF here) that happens it will take what?, 1-2 months from here? by then, NY could be out of the race.

 

You need solutions, NOW! specially since Kluber will be out for 2 months and your offense is plain dead.

 

Kind of my point.

 

Even without Kluber, we have the pen depth and the rest of the rotation to stay afloat on the mound. Our issues are at the dish and Garcia isnt helping that

[iortiz]

Even without Kluber, we have the pen depth and the rest of the rotation to stay afloat on the mound. Our issues are at the dish and Garcia isnt helping that

 

No one in your pitching staff will replace what Kluber gave you Jack. None.

[iortiz]

The kid has had 2 starts and 8 IP, so no definitive judgments can be made this soon.

 

I think it looks worse because all of the low scoring, this year.

 

He deserves a longer look.

 

THAT was not what I was disputing. What I was disputing was the fact (even before he was sent down) he was/is not the solution the solution to take Kluber's spot NOW

[moonslav59]

THAT was not what I was disputing. What I was disputing was the fact (even before he was sent down) he was/is not the solution the solution to take Kluber's spot NOW

 

Nobody can.

 

You also were comparing Garcia with Houck- giving the nod to Houck.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I also believe that Houck is better than Garcia. I believe Houck will eventually burn out his arm but he will have some quality major league seasons before that happens. In contrast, D.Garcia just isn't very good and will fade away into oblivion. Edited May 31, 2021 by Fan_since_Boggs

[moonslav59]

I also believe that Houck is better than Garcia. I believe Houck will eventually burn out his arm but he will have some quality major league seasons before that happens. In contrast, D.Garcia just isn't very good and will fade away into oblivion.

 

Their histories do not support that position, even without factoring in that Garcia was younger at every level along the way.

[iortiz]

Nobody can.

 

You also were comparing Garcia with Houck- giving the nod to Houck.

 

Reason why I said, "Garcia was not the answer"

 

and yes, as I said, Houk at least has showed he can pitch at very good level. Small sample but still.

 

Garcia still has to show that —if so.

[iortiz]

I also believe that Houck is better than Garcia. I believe Houck will eventually burn out his arm but he will have some quality major league seasons before that happens. In contrast, D.Garcia just isn't very good and will fade away into oblivion.

 

Thats the way I see them, but I do hope Houk somehow can be durable moving forward