Yankees 2021 Season Thread

[Bellhorn04]

Sometimes throwing a no-hitter is not the best thing for a pitcher because they get overextended. I think the stats for 2021 will back that up. I see that Means was way off last night.

 

Full credit to Kluber though, he's really stepping up.

 

Yankees pitching is formidable for sure.

[jacksonianmarch]

Kluber threw 101 pitches.

[Bellhorn04]

Kluber threw 101 pitches.

 

Yeah, that's a pretty comfortable total.

[moonslav59]

The Yanks pitching, once again, doesn’t get enough credit. The Yanks have a true 1-2 punch again with Cole and Kluber. Kluber was magnificent last night and has continued to show mastery of the strike zone. Since he knocked the rust off a two year absence with a string of duds to start the year, he’s been excellent. If he can stay healthy, he will be a formidable pitcher to face in a playoff series

 

I think most people wanted a longer sample size with Kluber, before accepting the Yanks had two sure-fire aces. Last night might have changed all that.

 

Two aces and a knock out pen is a great thing to have, and they have been what has kept you close while your offense and 2-5 starters have struggled, sometimes mightily.

 

I have to think Cashman gets a starter at the deadline, but I've been thinking than for several years, and he seems to be restricted in some ways.

 

You guys do have a few starters in your system you can hand the ball to, and see if they can do better. Taillon might just need more time to regain what he once had. German & Montgomery still hold some promise, but it's getting to the point of the season where you start asking, "Is it time to try someone new?"

[Thunder]

Sometimes throwing a no-hitter is not the best thing for a pitcher because they get overextended. I think the stats for 2021 will back that up. I see that Means was way off last night.

 

Full credit to Kluber though, he's really stepping up.

 

Yankees pitching is formidable for sure.

 

Yeah, a really weird outing by Means last night. And I don't just mean out of character; lots of weird plays in that game. He was spot on through 3 innings or so, but ran out of gas the second time through the order. To your point, Miley was shelled in the first start after his no-hitter as well, and I don't remember Musgrove doing anything significant either

[jacksonianmarch]

I think most people wanted a longer sample size with Kluber, before accepting the Yanks had two sure-fire aces. Last night might have changed all that.

 

Two aces and a knock out pen is a great thing to have, and they have been what has kept you close while your offense and 2-5 starters have struggled, sometimes mightily.

 

I have to think Cashman gets a starter at the deadline, but I've been thinking than for several years, and he seems to be restricted in some ways.

 

You guys do have a few starters in your system you can hand the ball to, and see if they can do better. Taillon might just need more time to regain what he once had. German & Montgomery still hold some promise, but it's getting to the point of the season where you start asking, "Is it time to try someone new?"

 

Don’t think he needs to get a starter. You’ve got Sevy coming back soon. Most starters return to prominence 18 months post procedure, which would be September. If one of Taillon, German, or Monty can steady, you’ve got a pretty formidable top 4.

 

What he needs to get is an offensive minded outfielder. Beyond Judge, our OF cannot hit.

[Bellhorn04]

Yeah, a really weird outing by Means last night. And I don't just mean out of character; lots of weird plays in that game. He was spot on through 3 innings or so, but ran out of gas the second time through the order. To your point, Miley was shelled in the first start after his no-hitter as well, and I don't remember Musgrove doing anything significant either

 

I'm going to compile the stats on guys who have thrown no-hitters this year, post no-no.

[Thunder]

I'm going to compile the stats on guys who have thrown no-hitters this year, post no-no.

 

Well this was Means' second start. He threw 6 scoreless against the Mets in his first start

[iortiz]

How do the Rays always know just when to trade a pitcher right before they suck?

 

It's called pitching acumen lol

 

I have read here and there that Chaim was the real arquitect building TB's pitching from bottom-up in all aspects. There's not a coincidence our pitching has been very solid and has turned around in a very short period of time. Nobody gave them credit entering the season —nobody. Geez even people including Red Sox fans are still expecting somehow this pitching choke at some point (look at the game threads lol).

 

They not only have picked up some under-the-radar good arms like Richards, Pivetta, Whitlock, etc. but a lot of work and coaching in all the pitching staff is palpable as well.

 

I really feel very confident moving forward with Bloom running the operations of this team, specially at pitching. Bloom also will have a lot of budget in the years to come (unlike TB) in order to assemble a great team like Friedman did in LAD.

 

It's very encouraging our future. Just watch.

[iortiz]

The Yanks pitching, once again, doesn’t get enough credit. The Yanks have a true 1-2 punch again with Cole and Kluber. Kluber was magnificent last night and has continued to show mastery of the strike zone. Since he knocked the rust off a two year absence with a string of duds to start the year, he’s been excellent. If he can stay healthy, he will be a formidable pitcher to face in a playoff series

 

There's no question that Cole is in his prime and is one of the best of the game, and Kluber WAS an ace. It's hard to say how a horse who has already ridden a lot of battles will pan out trough 162+ games after 2 years of absence. Just time will tell.

 

Said that, If you expect Kluber's resurgence from his ashes this year like the phoenix, it is even more encouraging for Sale's case considering he is younger.

[jacksonianmarch]

Disagree entirely. They’re two different styles of pitchers. Kluber was never a power pitcher. He’s a command and movement guy. Sale is a power pitcher and he lost his power prior to his elbow exploding due to a mysterious shoulder injury. Now sale will be effective at diminished velocity, but he isn’t getting back to his prior level performance without a massive upswing in his pre TJS velo

[Bellhorn04]

Well this was Means' second start. He threw 6 scoreless against the Mets in his first start

 

Correct. I'll include all games post no-no.

[iortiz]

Disagree entirely. They’re two different styles of pitchers. Kluber was never a power pitcher. He’s a command and movement guy. Sale is a power pitcher and he lost his power prior to his elbow exploding due to a mysterious shoulder injury. Now sale will be effective at diminished velocity, but he isn’t getting back to his prior level performance without a massive upswing in his pre TJS velo

 

Some Pitchers coming off TJ surgeries get even better. Look at Julio Urias. All I know is what they have been saying in reports here and there regarding Sale's recovery which sounds very encouraging. Regarding his approach, unlike other pitchers who have only one pitch to put batters out, he can use any pitch of his repertory to do so. If he comes back 100% healthy, his velo won't be an issue, and if so, in the worst case scenario, he can reinvent himself using more often his slider which is nasty and inducing more movement to his FB. Remember, we also have Bloom's pitching crew in order to help him.

 

Said that, he is not that old. He can pitch at great level the next 3-4 years if he comes back 100% healthy.

[jacksonianmarch]

Some Pitchers coming off TJ surgeries get even better. Look at Julio Urias. All I know is what they have been saying in reports here and there regarding Sale's recovery which sounds very encouraging. Regarding his approach, unlike other pitchers who have only one pitch to put batters out, he can use any pitch of his repertory to do so. If he comes back 100% healthy, his velo won't be an issue, and if so, in the worst case scenario, he can reinvent himself using more often his slider which is nasty and inducing more movement to his FB. Remember, we also have Bloom's pitching crew in order to help him.

 

Said that, he is not that old. He can pitch at great level the next 3-4 years if he comes back 100% healthy.

 

If Sale can pump 98 again, then I’ll agree with you. I guess time will tell

[moonslav59]

Don’t think he needs to get a starter. You’ve got Sevy coming back soon. Most starters return to prominence 18 months post procedure, which would be September. If one of Taillon, German, or Monty can steady, you’ve got a pretty formidable top 4.

 

What he needs to get is an offensive minded outfielder. Beyond Judge, our OF cannot hit.

 

You can always use another starter to get you over the hump, but yes, offense, especially in the OF is priority #1. Defense is #2.

 

You have some other weak hitting positions, but you're not replacing Torres.

 

.532 1B

.562 LF

.570 CF

.628 2B

.644 SS

(all other poistions are at .794 or higher- a major gulf between the top 4 and bottom 5.)

 

You have LeMahieu to play 2B or 1B, and you can't expect Torres to stay at .650, but that still leave a hole at one infield position, too. Maybe Voit or Andujar can fill that gap, but OF is your biggest concern.

[moonslav59]

It's called pitching acumen lol

 

I have read here and there that Chaim was the real arquitect building TB's pitching from bottom-up in all aspects. There's not a coincidence our pitching has been very solid and has turned around in a very short period of time. Nobody gave them credit entering the season —nobody. Geez even people including Red Sox fans are still expecting somehow this pitching choke at some point (look at the game threads lol).

 

They not only have picked up some under-the-radar good arms like Richards, Pivetta, Whitlock, etc. but a lot of work and coaching in all the pitching staff is palpable as well.

 

I really feel very confident moving forward with Bloom running the operations of this team, specially at pitching. Bloom also will have a lot of budget in the years to come (unlike TB) in order to assemble a great team like Friedman did in LAD.

 

It's very encouraging our future. Just watch.

 

I'm a huge Bloom fans and think he was the perfect hire for what we needed.

 

What got me thinking about the Rays getting rid of good pitchers right before they decline sharply was Snell. It's early, yet, but his ERA+ went from 129 w TBR to 97 with SDP. WHIP from 1.237 to 1.463 in 40 IP.

[jacksonianmarch]

Voit is starting to hit, so I’m not worried about 1b. Torres just came back and had a couple hits last night, he’s not moving. Our infield is set. Higgy brings so much defensively and his bat is at least powerful enough to match Sanchez, so we don’t need a catcher. Stanton, when healthy, is a top notch DH. Judge is an all star RFer. Hicks was on a tear before his injury, but it’s a bad injury and one that I don’t think we can rely on him to recover from. LF has been a black hole. We cannot have two black holes in the lineup while other batters are figuring it out. Got to upgrade LF, which shouldn’t be too difficult

[iortiz]

I'm a huge Bloom fans and think he was the perfect hire for what we needed.

 

What got me thinking about the Rays getting rid of good pitchers right before they decline sharply was Snell. It's early, yet, but his ERA+ went from 129 w TBR to 97 with SDP. WHIP from 1.237 to 1.463 in 40 IP.

 

yeah not mention Snell is playing in a pitcher-friendly park.

 

Haven't followed Snell lately but certainly they had their founded reasons.

[moonslav59]

I know Torres is not moving, but his hitting much better is not a sure thing. I seriously doubt he ends up at .700, let alone .650, but still.

 

Voit is no given, despite showing very promising results.

 

Your team is better with Torres at 2B and LeMahieu at 1B. Getting a SS would improve your team in several ways.

 

Again, OF is the top priority, but defense is second.

[moonslav59]

yeah not mention Snell is playing in a pitcher-friendly park.

 

Haven't followed Snell lately but certainly they had their founded reasons.

 

ERA+ adjusts for park.

[jacksonianmarch]

You have to address black holes first. Torres is a good hitter. He’s back up to .650 and once the power turns back on, he should hit fine. Defense is another story. Voit has been nothing but a good to great player when he takes the field. His issues have been health related. Not worried about his bat either. But Frazier has been awful and Gardner has been just as bad. Hicks going down and dealing off Tauchman really left us without a good option and the best one in the minors is a streaky kid who K’s more than Judge but doesn’t have his prodigious power. We need a LFer and we need one immediately

[jacksonianmarch]

And with the need being dire for a CFer, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Yanks acquire Marte from the Marlins

[moonslav59]

You have to address black holes first. Torres is a good hitter. He’s back up to .650 and once the power turns back on, he should hit fine. Defense is another story. Voit has been nothing but a good to great player when he takes the field. His issues have been health related. Not worried about his bat either. But Frazier has been awful and Gardner has been just as bad. Hicks going down and dealing off Tauchman really left us without a good option and the best one in the minors is a streaky kid who K’s more than Judge but doesn’t have his prodigious power. We need a LFer and we need one immediately

 

Again, I've agreed Torres ain't going anywhere, except maybe a position change, and he should end up over .700- maybe even .750 or .780.

 

OF is priority 1.

 

SS defense and overall defense is priority 2.

[moonslav59]

And with the need being dire for a CFer, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Yanks acquire Marte from the Marlins

 

Or, Adolis Garcia (TEX)

[jacksonianmarch]

Another shutout. German is on a roll

[moonslav59]

Nice Pinch Hit magic.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Pitching has been good but everything else has been trash. On offense seems like the majority of their contact is either on the ground or pop-ups. They made 3 outs on the bases today and hit into two more double plays. They lead the league in outs on the basepaths (20) and are currently on pace to hit into 173 DPs this season (which would tie the all time record I believe).

[Bellhorn04]

Pitching covers up a lot of sins.

[Thunder]

Pitching has been good but everything else has been trash. On offense seems like the majority of their contact is either on the ground or pop-ups. They made 3 outs on the bases today and hit into two more double plays. They lead the league in outs on the basepaths (20) and are currently on pace to hit into 173 DPs this season (which would tie the all time record I believe).

 

When you swing for the fences and have an upper cut swing every single time, there are 4 really distinct potential outcomes:

1. Barrel it, hit it out

2. Swing and miss

3. Get under it, pop it up

4. Top it, hit a groundball

[moonslav59]

Hicks to have wrist surgery.

 

Dominoes.