2021 Spring Training Discussion

[notin]

Wait -- did the Red Sox announce they are moving X to third this year? Who's playing short? Where is Devers playing?

 

I also seem to recall when Bogie first came up and played third for about a month, he won a World Series.

 

Yeah I am not sure what all this "moving him to 3B" is. Who are the Sox making room for? The only other shortstops on the 40 man roster are Arroyo, Arauz, and maybe Jeter Downs.

 

How many people is this team moving to 3b? Are they going to keep Devers there while still moving Bogaerts and Dalbec to third? I think this plan might be slightly flawed....

[notin]

It was a theoretical earlier in the thread. Bogey's D isnt great. All know this. It isnt a secret. But just like Jeter, you dont move your team leader and the best player on your team off position unless it is patently obvious and unless it is in pursuit of a title. Nobody thinks the sox are winning anything this year, so moving him in 2021 makes little sense

 

Was Jeter really the Yankees "best player" once they acquired ARod, who was a two time MVP and worth about 40 more fWAR?

[jacksonianmarch]

Was Jeter really the Yankees "best player" once they acquired ARod, who was a two time MVP and worth about 40 more fWAR?

 

Team leader at that point, clearly not best player

[notin]

Team leader at that point, clearly not best player

 

Wouldn't a good leader do what was best for the team, even if it affected him personally? Or is sacrifice only for lesser players?

[mvp 78]

Yeah I am not sure what all this "moving him to 3B" is. Who are the Sox making room for? The only other shortstops on the 40 man roster are Arroyo, Arauz, and maybe Jeter Downs.

 

How many people is this team moving to 3b? Are they going to keep Devers there while still moving Bogaerts and Dalbec to third? I think this plan might be slightly flawed....

 

I mentioned it offhandedly last week. It was just in reference to moon being down on him defensively. If the plan is to eventually move Devers off 3B, you could slide Devers to 3B and maybe Yorke or Downs is the future SS? Maybe they can get someone else in FA? I don't think it's anything that would happen for a few more years.

[notin]

I mentioned it offhandedly last week. It was just in reference to moon being down on him defensively. If the plan is to eventually move Devers off 3B, you could slide Devers to 3B and maybe Yorke or Downs is the future SS? Maybe they can get someone else in FA? I don't think it's anything that would happen for a few more years.

 

Bogaerts is the SS. Devers is the 3B. The rest of the infield is in flux...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

 

How many people is this team moving to 3b? Are they going to keep Devers there while still moving Bogaerts and Dalbec to third? I think this plan might be slightly flawed....

 

That clever analytics dept., using the dead-pull righty shift.

 

No one is moving anywhere this season while Cora seeks to rejuvenate his boys. If the team is somehow brutal again, and Devers leads the MLB in Es again (his bat was so "bad" last year that he was still a positive WAR), and X's range grows more brittle, then -- and only then -- might Bloom initiate Plan B... which may include moving positions, moving players to other clubs for mega-prospects, and actually signing a big-money free agent star for the infield a year from now.

[notin]

That clever analytics dept., using the dead-pull righty shift.

 

No one is moving anywhere this season while Cora seeks to rejuvenate his boys. If the team is somehow brutal again, and Devers leads the MLB in Es again (his bat was so "bad" last year that he was still a positive WAR), and X's range grows more brittle, then -- and only then -- might Bloom initiate Plan B... which may include moving positions, moving players to other clubs for mega-prospects, and actually signing a big-money free agent star for the infield a year from now.

 

 

And maybe then they can bring in Correa or Story to play SS, move Bogaerts to 3B, move Devers to 1B, and move Dalbec to LF/DH...

[notin]

MLBTR has a post up abouyt the Sox using a 3 man bench (which Soxprospects has had up for a while now). But they also mention Chavis as a versatile piece.. Seems to me, Chavis is the 4th option on the bench if he is on the team, barring injury. I would assume Plawecki, Arroyo and Marwin Gonzalez are all higher on the depth chart than Chavis...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

And maybe then they can bring in Correa or Story to play SS, move Bogaerts to 3B, move Devers to 1B, and move Dalbec to LF/DH...

 

If things go as bad as wishful Yankee fans think, one or two of the latter three guys on your list will be wearing different uniforms.

[mvp 78]

And maybe then they can bring in Correa or Story to play SS, move Bogaerts to 3B, move Devers to 1B, and move Dalbec to LF/DH...

 

Correa is worse than Bogey at SS.

[notin]

Correa is worse than Bogey at SS.

 

So move Correa to 3B.

 

Story is actually the better all around player anyway...

[mvp 78]

So move Correa to 3B.

 

Story is actually the better all around player anyway...

 

Maybe?

 

994 OPS at Coors

760 OPS elsewhere

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Correa is worse than Bogey at SS.

 

Not in the Houston games I've watched. There's also this: Correa = positive dWAR for six seasons; Bogaerts = negative dWAR for six seasons.

 

Correa did move to third on the Puerto Rican tournament team that Cora GMed (but it was so Lindor could play short).

[jacksonianmarch]

If things go as bad as wishful Yankee fans think, one or two of the latter three guys on your list will be wearing different uniforms.

 

Not sure if it's wishful on my part or blind on a lot of board members here. Maybe a mix of both. I don't see a lot of improvement to the team and I do see some loss in the "upside" department with Beni and Bradley likely moving on.

[mvp 78]

Not sure if it's wishful on my part or blind on a lot of board members here. Maybe a mix of both. I don't see a lot of improvement to the team and I do see some loss in the "upside" department with Beni and Bradley likely moving on.

 

Yes, JD won't be better than 2020. Devers won't be better than 2020. The changes to the starting pitching staff won't matter a lick! Bullpen? Just as bad as last year!

[Bellhorn04]

Not sure if it's wishful on my part or blind on a lot of board members here. Maybe a mix of both. I don't see a lot of improvement to the team and I do see some loss in the "upside" department with Beni and Bradley likely moving on.

 

And you ignore all the actual projections out there and just go with your gut feelings.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's all good as long as we all admit that we're all guessing what will happen, even those armed with stats.

 

Think the Dodgers are a sure thing again? How many NL teams that won the World Series the past 100 years do you think felt confident that they'd repeat? Almost all of them?

 

Only one actually did go back-to-back (hint: they beat the Red Sox, and the next year beat the Yankees).

[jacksonianmarch]

The Dodgers got better after winning the WS. They are a force to be reckoned with.

[moonslav59]

No, my argument is that it was tried before and went horribly. Now, Bogey is arguably your best player and moving him off position because of his defense is a really good way to see him leave after 2022.

 

I haven't heard one person say move Bogey to 3B, this season.

 

What would we do, have Arroyo or Arauz play SS?

 

As much as I'm not a big fan of Bogey's D, he's a huge overall plus, and I would not mess with him.

 

Now, if Devers sucks on D in 2021, and we acquire a good defensive SS, next winter, maybe we can talk.

 

(Yes, that would force a Bogey opt out after 2022.)

[moonslav59]

If Devers ends up sucking on D at 3B, this year, one of the more likely moves would be to flip Dalbec to 3B and Devers to 1B, and not move Bogey off the SS position.

 

If, and this is a big if, Chavis rebounds, he, too,could play 3B.

 

Bogey is not moving off SS.

 

From a guy who loves SS defense, even I'm not for moving him off SS.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The Dodgers got better after winning the WS. They are a force to be reckoned with.

 

They won't admit it, but they're no different than any other club whose pitching staff strains every fiber in their shoulders and elbows one month longer than usual to finally win it all. Bauer might never be as good again as in 2020. But if a few youngsters burst onto the scene, like Josiah Gray, they could still repeat.

[mvp 78]

@ChrisCotillo

Cora on Bogaerts' defense: "He's not perfect, but whatever he touches, he turns into outs."

 

Says advanced metrics penalize him... "He's just a shortstop who hits .300, hits 30 and drives 100."

[jacksonianmarch]

They won't admit it, but they're no different than any other club whose pitching staff strains every fiber in their shoulders and elbows one month longer than usual to finally win it all. Bauer might never be as good again as in 2020. But if a few youngsters burst onto the scene, like Josiah Gray, they could still repeat.

 

2020 was different, though. To their bodies, they played a half season

[mvp 78]

@PeteAbe

Franchy Cordero has not yet reported to #RedSox camp.

 

MALCONTENT!!!

[mvp 78]

@ChrisCotillo

Franchy Cordero is not yet with the Red Sox. Cora isn't sure of the exact reason. Might be a visa issue.

[moonslav59]

@ChrisCotillo

Cora on Bogaerts' defense: "He's not perfect, but whatever he touches, he turns into outs."

 

Says advanced metrics penalize him... "He's just a shortstop who hits .300, hits 30 and drives 100."

 

Key word “just.”

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

2020 was different, though. To their bodies, they played a half season

 

That means David Price should be Cy Young because he took the whole season off.

 

What about all the players whose bodies were just warming up. It's only a good point if we also consider that those who sucked may have just had slow starts. And I am not defending the 2020 Sox. But all these arguments that certain players are no good anymore because of their '20 stats could also be used to dismiss guys who were great.

 

In August of '73 -- after 108 games -- the Mets were dead last, 11.5 GB. They won the NL pennant and made it to Game Seven of the World Series.Ya Gotta Believe...

[mvp 78]

Key word “just.”

 

I wouldn't say just is the key word there.

[moonslav59]

That means David Price should be Cy Young because he took the whole season off.

 

What about all the players whose bodies were just warming up. It's only a good point if we also consider that those who sucked may have just had slow starts. And I am not defending the 2020 Sox. But all these arguments that certain players are no good anymore because of their '20 stats could also be used to dismiss guys who were great.

 

In August of '73 -- after 108 games -- the Mets were dead last, 11.5 GB. They won the NL pennant and made it to Game Seven of the World Series.Ya Gotta Believe...

 

Many Sox players were really hitting well from game 30 to 60. An even smaller sample size but not much less significant.