2021 Prospects

[moonslav59]

Kevin Thomas at the Press Herald ranked our prospects as follows:

Mata

Casas

Dalbec

Houck

Downs (low)

Duran

Jimenez

Seabold

Groome

Ward

Chatham (high)

Song

Bazardo (high)

Rosario

Potts

Wong

Yorke

Reyes

Hart (high)

Bello

Aybar

Shugart (high)

Decker

Shawaryn

Feltman

Ramirez (low)

Bonaci

Lugo (low)

Ockimey

Wilson

 

I think Rosario & Potts could be the real sleepers.

 

Jimenez could jump once we get a larger sample size of viewings.

 

I agree on all your "high" and "low" comments.

 

(I like these rankings more than soxprospects.com.)

[mvp 78]

It makes sense that Dalbec and Houck should be towards the top of the list due to their MLB experience.

 

I think Casas is the best player by far.

 

I think the next tier includes Mata/Houck/Dalbec/Downs and the order doesn't matter.

 

After that is Jiminez/Duran/Seabold/Ward/Song/Yorke/Groome and the order doesn't matter.

 

After that is the rest of the top 30 guys and they are all bunched up too.

[moonslav59]

It makes sense that Dalbec and Houck should be towards the top of the list due to their MLB experience.

 

I think Casas is the best player by far.

 

I think the next tier includes Mata/Houck/Dalbec/Downs and the order doesn't matter.

 

After that is Jiminez/Duran/Seabold/Ward/Song/Yorke/Groome and the order doesn't matter.

 

After that is the rest of the top 30 guys and they are all bunched up too.

 

I'd sneak Rosario into that last group- maybe Potts, too.

[mvp 78]

I'd sneak Rosario into that last group- maybe Potts, too.

 

I would agree with Potts, Rosario didn't have a good fall instructs, apparently.

[mvp 78]

OTM is tracking where major lists rank the pipeline:

 

https://www.overthemonster.com/2020/11/17/21571124/boston-red-sox-top-prospects-triston-casas-jeter-downs-jarren-duran-bobby-dalbec-bryan-mata

 

General consensus is that Casas is 1 and Downs is 2. Nobody has Houck higher than 7.

[moonslav59]

I would agree with Potts, Rosario didn't have a good fall instructs, apparently.

 

Rosario is supposed to be an excellent defensive CF'er, my guess is better than Duran and Wilson.

 

He gets on base but has a low SLG %.

 

I'm hoping he gets a look at AA, this year.

 

I can see why he belongs in the third tier.

[jacksonianmarch]

One of the biggest detractors for baseball was the loss of the minors. For a prospect-nick like me, it has almost entirely destroyed my love for the process and the system. You have a full season with zero data, no scouting reports, nothing.

[mvp 78]

One of the biggest detractors for baseball was the loss of the minors. For a prospect-nick like me, it has almost entirely destroyed my love for the process and the system. You have a full season with zero data, no scouting reports, nothing.

 

And the scouting reports you do have are very organizationally biased.

[jacksonianmarch]

And the scouting reports you do have are very organizationally biased.

 

And entirely meaningless. Yes, a guy can look good in a scrimmage, but when the game is going, that is where you get a full test of their capability. 2020 will alter the prospect landscape for sure

[moonslav59]

The hardest to evaluate are the younger prospects. What kind of workouts did some do vs others? Nobody really saw line, in-game scenarios, so it's easy to assume almost all stayed at the same level or regressed, but their now a year older( and "wiser?" Probably, not).

 

Some might improve due to their body's maturation or by resting an ailing arm or knee more than they might otherwise had done.

 

We could see some very sloppy minor league games to start the season. We could see a rash of injuries.

[moonslav59]

A few recent articles from soxprospects.com:

 

http://news.soxprospects.com/2020/12/scout-chatter-gilberto-jimenez-brainer.html

 

http://news.soxprospects.com/2020/12/minor-notes-40-man-roster-takes-shape.html

 

http://news.soxprospects.com/2020/12/fallwinter-league-roundup-reyes-keeps.html

 

[moonslav59]

soxprospects.com reports:

 

Denyi Reyes, who pitched five shutout innings for Escogido, allowing just two hits. He struck out two batters and now has a WHIP of 0.46 on the year while not allowing a run over three starts. Joel Payamps also did not allow a run, delivering three scoreless frames across two appearances with two hits against two strikeouts. Raynel Espinal appeared in two games, delivering 3 1/3 innings of one-run ball. He allowed six baserunners on three hits and three walks while striking out one batter for Gigantes. Deivy Grullon did not fare well at the plate, hitting 1 for 11 across three games with four strikeouts.

[notin]

The hardest to evaluate are the younger prospects. What kind of workouts did some do vs others? Nobody really saw line, in-game scenarios, so it's easy to assume almost all stayed at the same level or regressed, but their now a year older( and "wiser?" Probably, not).

 

Some might improve due to their body's maturation or by resting an ailing arm or knee more than they might otherwise had done.

 

We could see some very sloppy minor league games to start the season. We could see a rash of injuries.

 

That's why I ignore every prospect who has yet to play in AA. The attrition rates before AA make A ball prospects invisible to me...

[moonslav59]

That's why I ignore every prospect who has yet to play in AA. The attrition rates before AA make A ball prospects invisible to me...

 

There are a few, like Devers, who catch my eye in single A, but by and large, you are right.

[mvp 78]

@SmittyOnMLB

Worcester, Portland, Greenville and Salem will remain affiliates, per BA's report. It also is reporting Greenville is High A and Salem is Low A now

 

No more Spinners for now.

[mvp 78]

Background on de-affiliation process of MiLB:

 

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/a-complete-guide-to-mlb-and-milbs-negotiations/

[mvp 78]

@jcmccaffrey

Red Sox statement: "The Red Sox and the City of Lowell today announce that they are working to keep baseball in the Lowell community. The two sides are in the early stages of evaluating various opportunities for the 2021 season, and will continue to discuss longer-term options"

 

AKA, trying to get some sort of amateur wood bat league team for Lowell that is not affiliated with the Sox.

[notin]

@SmittyOnMLB

Worcester, Portland, Greenville and Salem will remain affiliates, per BA's report. It also is reporting Greenville is High A and Salem is Low A now

 

No more Spinners for now.

 

So ... one less reason to visit Lowell...

[moonslav59]

So ... one less reason to visit Lowell...

 

If 495 didn't pass by Lowell, I may never have visited it.

[mvp 78]

Greenville and Salem swapped leagues. Greenville was low A, will now be high A. Salem was high A, will now be low A.

 

@SPChrisHatfield

On Greenville/Salem flip: Seems a lot of the high-quality LoA/SS-A teams were rewarded with promotions to HiA, with most of the Carolina Lg getting moved down to LoA. Greenville probably has the better park, so that fits.

[moonslav59]

Greenville and Salem swapped leagues. Greenville was low A, will now be high A. Salem was high A, will now be low A.

 

@SPChrisHatfield

On Greenville/Salem flip: Seems a lot of the high-quality LoA/SS-A teams were rewarded with promotions to HiA, with most of the Carolina Lg getting moved down to LoA. Greenville probably has the better park, so that fits.

 

Any reason why?

[mvp 78]

Any reason why?

 

From my post "Seems a lot of the high-quality LoA/SS-A teams were rewarded with promotions to HiA, with most of the Carolina Lg getting moved down to LoA. Greenville probably has the better park, so that fits."

 

MLB's big complaint was about facilities in MiLB. Seems like they are going to start rewarding MiLB clubs with nicer facilities.

[moonslav59]

From my post "Seems a lot of the high-quality LoA/SS-A teams were rewarded with promotions to HiA, with most of the Carolina Lg getting moved down to LoA. Greenville probably has the better park, so that fits."

 

MLB's big complaint was about facilities in MiLB. Seems like they are going to start rewarding MiLB clubs with nicer facilities.

 

If they have the better park, why did they wait to now, to swap?

[moonslav59]

Rule 5

 

First Round

 

1. Pittsburgh Pirates: Jose Soriano (Angels)

2. Texas Rangers: Brett de Geus (Dodgers)

3. Detroit Tigers: Akil Baddoo (Twins)

4. Boston Red Sox: Garrett Whitlock (Yankees)

5. Baltimore Orioles: Mac Sceroler (Reds)

6. Arizona Diamondbacks: Zach Pop (Royals)

7. Kansas City Royals: Pass

8. Colorado Rockies: Jordan Sheffield (Dodgers)

9. Los Angeles Angels: Jose Alberto Rivera (Astros)

10. New York Mets: Luis Oviedo (Guardians), traded to Pirates for cash considerations, tweets MLB.com’s Anthony DiComo

11. Washington Nationals: Pass

12. Seattle Mariners: Will Vest (Tigers)

13. Philadelphia Phillies: Kyle Holder (Yankees)

14. San Francisco Giants: Dedniel Nunez (Mets)

15. Houston Astros: Pass

16. Milwaukee Brewers: Pass

17. Miami Marlins: Paul Campbell (Rays)

18. Cincinnati Reds: Pass

19. St. Louis Cardinals: Pass

20. Toronto Blue Jays: No 40-man roster space

21. New York Yankees: Pass

22. Chicago Cubs: Gray Fenter (Orioles)

23. Chicago White Sox: Pass

24. Cleveland Guardians: Trevor Stephan (Yankees)

25. Atlanta Braves: Pass

26. Oakland Athletics: Ka’ai Tom (Guardians)

27. Minnesota Twins: Pass

28. San Diego Padres: No 40-man roster space

29. Tampa Bay Rays: Pass

30. Los Angeles Dodgers: Pass

 

Second Round

 

5. Baltimore Orioles: Tyler Wells (Twins)

26. Oakland Athletics: Dany Jimenez (Blue Jays)

[mvp 78]

@SPChrisHatfield

Joey Meneses hit his fifth home run of the LMP season last night, leading to the reveal of another great winter league nickname: Cabajoey, a mashup of "caballo" (which means horse) with his name.

[notin]

@SPChrisHatfield

Joey Meneses hit his fifth home run of the LMP season last night, leading to the reveal of another great winter league nickname: Cabajoey, a mashup of "caballo" (which means horse) with his name.

 

As he turns 29 in May, I am a bit hesitant to think of career minor leaguer Joey Meneses as much of a prospect. He's one self-inflicted gunshot wound away from being the next Bryce Brentz...

[mvp 78]

As he turns 29 in May, I am a bit hesitant to think of career minor leaguer Joey Meneses as much of a prospect. He's one self-inflicted gunshot wound away from being the next Bryce Brentz...

 

What's your cut off age?

[notin]

What's your cut off age?

 

25. I can stretch it to 26, but not for players who signed out of high school. 8 years in the minors and still a prospect? Not in my book.

 

What is yours?

Edited December 11, 2020 by notin

[moonslav59]

25. I can stretch it to 26, but not for players who signed out of high school. 8 years in the minors and still a prospect? Not in my book.

 

What is yours?

 

I agree, with a few exceptions: players that change positions, especially from pitcher to position player or players out for long times with an injury.

 

Is the age different for college grads?

 

How about IFAs?

[mvp 78]

MLB.com ranked Whitlock 27th in Sox MiLB.

 

SoxProspects has him at 30.