Red Sox close to deal with Kevin Pillar

[notin]

Thanks, but at the same time that's a pretty low bar!

 

That’s why I added the line about summing it better than I was capable of...

[a700hitter]

Actually wasn't referring to you at all!

I respect your perspectives, & always have.

 

LOL :0

 

Granted, it was a total throwaway line.... it just felt right with the totality of the discussion. An obligatory swipe at the generation that can school us on many a thing....

 

Again, LOL :0

 

I just enjoy triggering them because they're so much god dambed smarter.

 

Anyway.... All my other points stand! Not because I'm smart, I'm just almost always right.

 

I get it. Thanks for the clarification. Now that you have clarified that the post wasn't directed at me, the posters who complimented your post, will probably delete their complimentary posts.

[Nick]

Who said anything about moncada?

 

well, give me some names, bright eyes.

[Larry Cook]

well, give me some names, bright eyes.

 

I think you are missing point.

 

It is not the trades we made, it is the fact that we made the trades.

 

We drained the minor league system because Henry switched gear and went bipolar on us.

[Slasher9]

N I am on record for not trading Betts unless or until the Sox were out of contention this year. I am on record on not giving up their best baseball asset unless they got the bone fide pitching prospects or starting pitching they needed if they were going to make a trade prior to the trading deadline. I am against giving up the 2020 season without competing. That is what I am on the record for. All the rest is just quiters rationalizing a bad deal by a new GM who got schooled by his mentor and former boss.

 

you forget one simple fact in all these words you typed. the owner of the team mandated a LT reset and you (the GM) needed to shed $20MM from the payroll. we can pretend that isn't a fact if you want. then your words might....might...have meaning......

[Slasher9]

I don't think you have ever made a post I agree with more. This is just flat out spot on IMO. Better summary than I am capable of...

 

JFC. i feel like the world may end now.

FTR - i also think S5's post was pretty freaking perfect.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Slasher9

[Slasher9]

When Bloom was introduced they had a conference call with season ticket holders. Kennedy was also present. The ticket renewal period was still open. Bloom was asked directly about Betts, and after what has since transpired, it looks very much like he just lied to us with the nodding approval of top brass. He was also very optimistic about fielding a competitive squad in 2020. People can call it what they want but, based on the statements at that meeting, I was convinced that Betts would not be traded for financial reasons and that Bloom would have to be overwhelmed to trade Betts. I feel that he was very misleading.

 

A700 - i feel bad for you on this one as you have been a season ticket holder. but even you have to admit you saw the writing on the wall after the JH "mandate" for the 2020 season as you did not renew your season ticket plan. i agree with you the Red Sox should NOT have raised a single ticket price this offseason. to me that is the biggest mistake they have done that should not have happened. now that they have traded #50 they should send every season ticket holder a $50 food/drink voucher for every seat they have a season ticket for....

[mvp 78]

Henry slashing payroll and increasing ticket prices for a mediocre team shows that he's no longer in touch with reality. (That's really been in question since his offseason ranting in '11-'12 to me.)

 

I understand the need to get under the lux tax. I don't agree with how they went about it and all the double speak this offseason. I give him all the credit in the world for 04, 07, 13 and 18, but he can be damn embarrassing sometimes.

[Bellhorn04]

Henry slashing payroll and increasing ticket prices for a mediocre team shows that he's no longer in touch with reality. (That's really been in question since his offseason ranting in '11-'12 to me.)

 

I understand the need to get under the lux tax. I don't agree with how they went about it and all the double speak this offseason. I give him all the credit in the world for 04, 07, 13 and 18, but he can be damn embarrassing sometimes.

 

So what do you think they should have told the public about their real plans this offseason?

[Slasher9]

So what do you think they should have told the public about their real plans this offseason?

 

sometimes silence is golden. the silence and/or the bad news about mookie being traded is easier to swallow if ticket prices are not raised.

to me DD saying "everyone is healthy" and within a week 4 players going under the knife is far more egregious......

[mvp 78]

So what do you think they should have told the public about their real plans this offseason?

 

Nothing.

 

Instead, they went with "we're cutting back payroll to get under luxury tax." Later on "we are going to compete this year, we don't have to cut payroll, it's not our intention." Of course they went with the "we're going to compete" as it got closer and closer to tickets going on sale. Then, they waited until well after tickets went on sale to the general public before they went through with the trade. I believe they intentionally held off on the trade until they were satisfied with ticket sales. Is that a conspiracy theory? Sure, but I believe it.

[Elktonnick]

sometimes silence is golden. the silence and/or the bad news about mookie being traded is easier to swallow if ticket prices are not raised.

to me DD saying "everyone is healthy" and within a week 4 players going under the knife is far more egregious......

Universe to Red Sox Nation the FO lies!

[notin]

Nothing.

 

Instead, they went with "we're cutting back payroll to get under luxury tax." Later on "we are going to compete this year, we don't have to cut payroll, it's not our intention." Of course they went with the "we're going to compete" as it got closer and closer to tickets going on sale. Then, they waited until well after tickets went on sale to the general public before they went through with the trade. I believe they intentionally held off on the trade until they were satisfied with ticket sales. Is that a conspiracy theory? Sure, but I believe it.

 

 

Maybe that message was meant for other GMs to interpret “Not giving away Mookie.”

[Bellhorn04]

sometimes silence is golden. the silence and/or the bad news about mookie being traded is easier to swallow if ticket prices are not raised.

to me DD saying "everyone is healthy" and within a week 4 players going under the knife is far more egregious......

 

But the media and fans don't accept silence either. There was a lot of complaining that the Sox didn't really explain why they fired DD.

 

The whole mess started with Shaughnessy asking Henry point blank back in September about whether they intended to re-set the tax, or words to that effect.

[Slasher9]

But the media and fans don't accept silence either. There was a lot of complaining that the Sox didn't really explain why they fired DD.

 

The whole mess started with Shaughnessy asking Henry point blank back in September about whether they intended to re-set the tax, or words to that effect.

 

oh i agree. the media will always try and get someone to say something. the FO (especially the owner) needs to take a page out of the BB playbook. say words that dont mean anything or say nothing at all. i dont blame shaughnessy one bit. that was a great get by him....

[Bellhorn04]

Nothing.

 

Nothing doesn't work. As soon as they hire Bloom, and don't spend any money on free agents, the media would have a pile of stories about how they were obviously cutting payroll to re-set.

[Bellhorn04]

oh i agree. the media will always try and get someone to say something. the FO (especially the owner) needs to take a page out of the BB playbook. say words that dont mean anything or say nothing at all.

 

Yeah, like 'coach's decision' on Malcolm Butler not playing in SB. That really put that to rest!

[Elktonnick]

You can not blame the media for being the media. Besides the Red Sox did not become the brand that has become without publicity.

[Slasher9]

Yeah, like 'coach's decision' on Malcolm Butler not playing in SB. That really put that to rest!

 

dammit. that one is my hot button. i will never forgive him for that one. but the point remains...we still havent received an answer from ANYONE on that one. not from the player, not from the owner, the HC, or any of the other coaching staff. it is still all just guesses and the question doesnt even get asked anymore.....

[Bellhorn04]

You can not blame the media for being the media. Besides the Red Sox did not become the brand that has become without publicity.

 

That's true.

 

The fans are the ones who have the option of whether to be reasonable or not.

[mvp 78]

Maybe that message was meant for other GMs to interpret “Not giving away Mookie.”

 

Couldn't that be done with a phone call?

[mvp 78]

oh i agree. the media will always try and get someone to say something. the FO (especially the owner) needs to take a page out of the BB playbook. say words that dont mean anything or say nothing at all. i dont blame shaughnessy one bit. that was a great get by him....

 

He works for the paper owned by Henry. This wasn't an accident.

[mvp 78]

Nothing doesn't work. As soon as they hire Bloom, and don't spend any money on free agents, the media would have a pile of stories about how they were obviously cutting payroll to re-set.

 

So? That has nothing to do with how Henry directly treated his ticket holders.

[mvp 78]

dammit. that one is my hot button. i will never forgive him for that one. but the point remains...we still havent received an answer from ANYONE on that one. not from the player, not from the owner, the HC, or any of the other coaching staff. it is still all just guesses and the question doesnt even get asked anymore.....

 

Malcolm has kinda sucked since leaving the Pats.

[notin]

Couldn't that be done with a phone call?

 

Yeah but that looks deceitful...

[Bellhorn04]

So? That has nothing to do with how Henry directly treated his ticket holders.

 

How's he supposed to treat the ticket holders exactly?

[mvp 78]

Yeah but that looks deceitful...

 

Nonsense.

[mvp 78]

How's he supposed to treat the ticket holders exactly?

 

Don't say "we're cutting payroll" and then right before ticket sales begin state "I didn't really mean that, it's not our intention to cut payroll, we're going to compete."

 

That doesn't sound s***** to you?

[Bellhorn04]

Don't say "we're cutting payroll" and then right before ticket sales begin state "I didn't really mean that, it's not our intention to cut payroll, we're going to compete."

 

That doesn't sound s***** to you?

 

He didn't say it exactly that way.

 

When he said we're cutting payroll in September, that was probably the most honest statement. And he got ridiculed for it, because supposedly it put the team at a serious disadvantage in negotiations.

 

Subsequent statements were all pretty ambiguous. The message, as such, was that the primarily goal wasn't cutting payroll but being competitive. And they tried to explain that the competitive part included the future.

 

It was a mess, I'm not denying that. I just don't think any particular approach would have gone over well. Red Sox fans in general don't like cutting payroll or trading a Mookie Betts no matter how you dress it up.

[Slasher9]

Malcolm has kinda sucked since leaving the Pats.

 

yes, but i believe without doubt if he played in that super bowl vs the Eagles we would have won. we would have stopped a couple of those 3rd and long plays....nick freakin foles.....