JDM says absolutely no cheating and team will be cleared

[Swiharts Ghost]

if you consider Nancy Pelosi a "nut"...what do you consider the orange man?? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

No politic BS I didn’t start this s*** someone posted the house is investigating baseball again .who I consider the greatest economic President ever is irrelevant.

Edited January 20, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost

[harmony]

No politic BS I didn’t start this s*** someone posted the house is investigating baseball again .who I consider the greatest economic President ever is irrelevant.

Time for the moderators to step in.

 

Respectfully.

[Slasher9]

so let me ask you this....what makes investigating anti trust laws "political"? and for arguments sake lets say the investigation is political - what makes it a D vs R thing? the last time the Senate got involved with baseball - steroid investigation George W. Bush was president and William Frist was senate majority leader(both R's). Was Frist a "nut" too?

pointing out that congress/senate may get involved with MLB anti trust law isn't turning this thread "political". it is simply pointing out a fact.

there is 1 poster that took this discussion political - and it was you.

[Bellhorn04]

You Americans LOL

[jung]

I prefer the politicians stay out of this completely. I would also prefer that MLB get wise to itself. A number of the changes it has itself compelled forward are Bull s***. Replay is Bull s*** as implemented and look what that has yielded. Going overboard on the rocket ship baseball is Bull s***. All of these idiot promotions that require a new game jersey and a new opportunity to sell official game jerseys are Bull s***. Player's weekend is Bull s***. Home Run derby as implemented is Bull s***. Geeks actually running baseball games is Bull s***. Their stupid plastic bases which actually represent a hazard to players are Bull s***. League games half way around the world in the middle of the championship season are Bull s***. Players on "competing" teams constantly referring to each other as "Brother" as in Union Brother is Bull s***. Even the way they handle Jackie Robinson day is designed to just irritate the piss out of you. Just put a big number 42 on their torso's and let them wear their normal numbers on their back. Its just an endless steam of Bull s*** all of which has contributed to 4 hour boring baseball games which is the ultimate in Bull s*** with no entity in baseball including the PA caring a rats ass.

 

Almost a decade ago I became ashamed taking my kids to Fenway Park as in what the f*** are we doing here. That from an ex-season ticket holder. Why am I wasting my kid's time with this crap. I could teach them more about how the Pro game is actually played watching enough TV broadcasts and at least we are home and not trapped at Fenway for a period of time that now feels like Purgatory. If it feels like Purgatory to me or at least if I can see my kids are just humoring me ("well Dad brought us here thinking this would be fun and we love dad. We will just have to endure this whatever it is"), I can just imagine what it must feel like to somebody that really does not understand the intricacies of the game just watching what must look like a Bataan Death March in progress.

Edited January 20, 2020 by jung

[Swiharts Ghost]

so let me ask you this....what makes investigating anti trust laws "political"? and for arguments sake lets say the investigation is political - what makes it a D vs R thing? the last time the Senate got involved with baseball - steroid investigation George W. Bush was president and William Frist was senate majority leader(both R's). Was Frist a "nut" too?

pointing out that congress/senate may get involved with MLB anti trust law isn't turning this thread "political". it is simply pointing out a fact.

there is 1 poster that took this discussion political - and it was you.

 

Sure slasher that’s what happened

Edited January 20, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost

[Swiharts Ghost]

I prefer the politicians stay out of this completely. I would also prefer that MLB get wise to itself. A number of the changes it has itself compelled forward are Bull s***. Replay is Bull s*** as implemented and look what that has yielded. Going overboard on the rocket ship baseball is Bull s***. All of these idiot promotions that require a new game jersey and a new opportunity to sell official game jerseys are Bull s***. Player's weekend is Bull s***. Home Run derby as implemented is Bull s***. Geeks actually running baseball games is Bull s***. Their stupid plastic bases which actually represent a hazard to players are Bull s***. League games half way around the world in the middle of the championship season are Bull s***. Players on "competing" teams constantly referring to each other as "Brother" as in Union Brother is Bull s***. Its just an endless steam of Bull s*** all of which has contributed to 4 hour boring baseball games which is the ultimate in Bull s*** with no entity in baseball including the PA caring a rats ass.

 

Almost a decade ago I became ashamed taking my kids to Fenway Park as in what the f*** are we doing here. That from an ex-season ticket holder. Why am I wasting my kid's time with this crap. I could teach them more about how the Pro game is actually played watching enough TV broadcasts and at least we are home and not trapped at Fenway for a period of time that now feels like Purgatory. If it feels like Purgatory to me or at least if I can see my kids are just humoring me ("well Dad brought us here thinking this would be fun and we love dad. We will just have to endure this whatever it is"), I can just imagine what it must feel like to somebody that really does not understand the intricacies of the game just watching what must look like a Bataan Death March in progress.

Really well said thank you for this post baseball is supposed to be my getaway .

[Swiharts Ghost]

so let me ask you this....what makes investigating anti trust laws "political"? and for arguments sake lets say the investigation is political - what makes it a D vs R thing? the last time the Senate got involved with baseball - steroid investigation George W. Bush was president and William Frist was senate majority leader(both R's). Was Frist a "nut" too?

pointing out that congress/senate may get involved with MLB anti trust law isn't turning this thread "political". it is simply pointing out a fact.

there is 1 poster that took this discussion political - and it was you.

 

 

Ohhhh no that’s not the case but keep dreaming that dream.Look back about 5 posts that mentioned it before you and I and let’s not go here any longer let’s talk ball only Slasher

[notin]

I don’t like the way politicians handle politics. Why do they think I want them meddling with baseball?

[Slasher9]

I don’t like the way politicians handle politics. Why do they think I want them meddling with baseball?

 

if they didnt we would never have gotten this piece of absolute GOLD:

[Swiharts Ghost]

We gotta stop slasher we all are feeding the monster on this now .I don’t want you getting in trouble .The board can do without me .I get that .I won’t post here again until the season starts .for the record I really do value you and Moon sorry for being so agitated lately life gets rough sometimes and we vent over things we shouldn’t .Enjoy Edited January 20, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost

[Bellhorn04]

if they didnt we would never have gotten this piece of absolute GOLD:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]781[/ATTACH]

 

That was classic, as was "slimmed down" Mark McGwire saying he wasn't there to talk about the past.

[Slasher9]

We gotta stop slasher we all are feeding the monster on this now .I don’t want you getting in trouble .The board can do without me .I get that .I won’t post here again until the season starts .for the record I really do value you and Moon sorry for being so agitated lately life gets rough sometimes and we vent over things we shouldn’t .Enjoy

 

bro. it's all good. dont worry about it. im always OK agreeing to disagree.

[jacksonianmarch]

Don’t self ban. Cmon man. Take a day to clear your head and get back on here.

[mvp 78]

if they didnt we would never have gotten this piece of absolute GOLD:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]781[/ATTACH]

 

Everyone bought that finger waggle hook line and sinker. I thought it was suspicious.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If I told you I always lie, then how could it possibly be true?

[Slasher9]

If I told you I always lie, then how could it possibly be true?

 

hey. spock used that trick in Star Trek.

[Bellhorn04]

If I told you I always lie, then how could it possibly be true?

 

That's kind of like this one: 'have you stopped beating your wife?'

[notin]

You Americans LOL

 

I'd be quiet, you Resident of a Foreign Country with Oil...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I have stopped beating my wife -- at Wheel of Fortune; she's better than me at word puzzles. And I don't remember that Star Trek episode... believe it or not.

[Sox75]

Ok... I know this is extreme Polyannish thinking, but JDM stating unequivocally that the Sox are clean, without covering for Cora, gives me hope that the Sox just may be clean.

 

Now, did they likely do everything possible to "legally steal signs," like every other team in mlb?

 

Absolutely!

 

But.... if nothing else, I like and respect JDM. He seems like a straight shooter.

 

Until proven wrong, I'm going to assume the Sox may beat this team rap.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I did find this Spock quote:

“When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

 

Sounds kinda relevant...

 

Now for something completely python: depending on MLB's verdict on the Red Sox -- not on Alex Cora -- does anyone here think there is any possible chance that Cora works again someday for Boston? Follow-up question: might there be others in the industry already speculating (based on the adoration for AC that all Sox owners and front office men voiced at last week's presser, as well as weekend quotes from current players and coaches, plus the cryptic words of Mike Lowell)??

[notin]

Ok... I know this is extreme Polyannish thinking, but JDM stating unequivocally that the Sox are clean, without covering for Cora, gives me hope that the Sox just may be clean.

 

Now, did they likely do everything possible to "legally steal signs," like every other team in mlb?

 

Absolutely!

 

But.... if nothing else, I like and respect JDM. He seems like a straight shooter.

 

Until proven wrong, I'm going to assume the Sox may beat this team rap.

 

 

I do prefer the notion of “innocent until proven guilty” over “guilty upon first innuendo, and conspiracy if not otherwise proven”...

[Slasher9]

I did find this Spock quote:

“When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

 

Sounds kinda relevant...

 

Now for something completely python: depending on MLB's verdict on the Red Sox -- not on Alex Cora -- does anyone here think there is any possible chance that Cora works again someday for Boston? Follow-up question: might there be others in the industry already speculating (based on the adoration for AC that all Sox owners and front office men voiced at last week's presser, as well as weekend quotes from current players and coaches, plus the cryptic words of Mike Lowell)??

 

my bad. i misremembered. it wasnt spock, it was Kirk. the Mudd episode.

[Sox75]

Notin:

 

 

"I do prefer the notion of “innocent until proven guilty” over “guilty upon first innuendo, and conspiracy if not otherwise proven”...

 

 

Not to be political BUT, since the legal precepts of our Constitutional Legal System were turned on their head in the Kavenaugh Hearings, too many accept the false and dangerous, "guilty until you PROVE YOUR innocence," warped standard of justice.

 

Since then, we have been hurtling toward some very dangerous standards in our legal and Constitutional system.

 

Truly frightening to think that, "its the seriousness of the charges that matters most," which I thought we had gone away from after C. Thomas.

 

With BK, we had the most OUTRAGEOUS 35 yr old, OBVIOUSLY manufactured tails of Train-R @?e , that were trumpeted and accepted as #metoo FACT, when there was absolutely ZERO evidence to support the charges. Even 100% refuted by the "life long best friend" of the accuser, who was said to be a direct witness? Didn't matter!

Still guilty as HELL we were all told.

 

Kavenaugh was savaged, & is still widely accepted to be THE WORST OF THE WORST preppy frat boy

Train-R@?ist in history, and sits on our Supreme Court on a throne of lies, crime, moral depravity, & political corruption.

He will eventually burn in Hell, we are assured by too many.

 

It is STUNNING how far we have gone with our growing new standards of evidence and legal justice.

The standards of "innocent until proven guilty" seems to be fading fast. Especially if you are a person in a position worthy of being targeted

 

Like, the hated Red Sox or Patriots

 

The Sox are innocent until PROVEN guilty!

 

Cora? Well.... He's in a pickle. It doesn't look good.

NICE GUY. GOOD MANAGER! but, his days in Houston are now in question.

 

End of sermon

Edited January 20, 2020 by Sox75

[Sox75]

my bad. i misremembered. it wasnt spock, it was Kirk. the Mudd episode.

 

Damnit Slash! I'm not a doctor, or much of a lawyer for that matter....

 

[jung]

The complete insanity of the manner in which the Sox handled this including that idiot press conference is finally starting to dawn on Boston Media when it fact it should have been immediately obvious:

- Made no sense to "part ways" with Cora simply on the strength of the Houston Report no matter how damning

- Also made no sense to claim that Sox upper management made no effort to understand from Alex himself if there was in game real time use of video and electronics to steal signs here.

 

Alex was their employee and a member of Management at the point immediately before they cut ties with him. That they were so uncurious as to not ask made them look like three monkeys up there in that press conference. Now there is surely a Separation Agreement between Alex and the Sox and we are not going to find out the specifics of that Separation Agreement. However any chance of the Sox finding out more from Alex than they knew before parting ways is ZERO and ZERO.

 

Questions abound:

- do we really believe that the Bench Coach was the ring leader in Houston no matter what the damned Houston report claims is probably the first question of interest.

- do we believe the cockamamy horse crap of the press conference

- do we believe it possible that Sox parted company with Alex simply on the strength of the Houston Report

- do we believe that upper management and ownership everywhere are not part of Manfred's efforts to tailor these "investigations" to an outcome

 

Either the Sox did ask Alex and were unsatisfied with his answer or they didn't ask him and cut ties with him anyway or they knew all along what was going on and didn't ask Alex because they didn't need to ask Alex.

 

Then the simple fact that they spent the entire press conference asking Boston fans to delay passing judgement until the Boston Report comes out looks suspicious as all get out.

Edited January 20, 2020 by jung

[moonslav59]

Parting ways with Cora was 100% the right thing to do.

 

That's based on what we know. I'm sure Sox management knows more than us.

[jung]

Parting ways with Cora was 100% the right thing to do.

 

That's based on what we know. I'm sure Sox management knows more than us.

 

Likely indeed though not very encouraging certainly not based on that Fenway two step press conference.

 

Also likely though not very encouraging.

Edited January 21, 2020 by jung

[Elktonnick]

Then don’t complain about cheating.

 

Getting rid of video rooms won’t stop cheating. It’s not like setting up another camera is that difficult and obvious. We live in an age where people secure GoPro camera to the heads of peregrine falcons and upload the video to YouTube. Do you really think getting rid of a single video room is going to do anything here?

 

If you want to stop electronic sign stealing, maybe “electronic” isn’t the word you should be focusing on here...

 

That is nonsense. Because I like tradition has nothing to do about whether I condone cheating.