JDM says absolutely no cheating and team will be cleared

[Swiharts Ghost]

So now question is why did we fire Cora when he may have been thrown under the bus in Houston ? He wasn’t suspended for Houston right ? So did John can Cora too soon ? Could Cora be back ? I say yes he could .

[Bellhorn04]

So now question is why did we fire Cora when he may have been thrown under the bus in Houston ? He wasn’t suspended for Houston right ? So did John can Cora too soon ? Could Cora be back ? I say yes he could .

 

No chance. He's all over Manfred's official report. The only reason he isn't suspended yet is they're waiting till the Red Sox investigation is over.

[notin]

No chance. He's all over Manfred's official report. The only reason he isn't suspended yet is they're waiting till the Red Sox investigation is over.

 

 

Could he have been suspended from the Red Sox for what he did in Houston?

[Elktonnick]

Could he have been suspended from the Red Sox for what he did in Houston?

 

Absolutely he could have been. Look the Mets fired Beltran who never managed or coached a game.

[Bellhorn04]

Could he have been suspended from the Red Sox for what he did in Houston?

 

That's exactly what they said.

[notin]

Absolutely he could have been. Look the Mets fired Beltran who never managed or coached a game.

 

Whether or not the Mets fire a player is completely independent of whether or not the league can punish him for transgressions in a previous uniform...

[Bellhorn04]

Whether or not the Mets fire a player is completely independent of whether or not the league can punish him for transgressions in a previous uniform...

 

The Mets had every right to keep Beltran as manager, he wasn't disciplined by MLB, but he was outed as a cheater and liar, so he was dead in the water as a manager.

[Elktonnick]

Whether or not the Mets fire a player is completely independent of whether or not the league can punish him for transgressions in a previous uniform...

 

Suppose a player, coach or manager gambled on baseball while a member of another team,. I think we all know the answer to that question. The Commissioner's authority to take action in the best interest of baseball is pretty widespread.

[notin]

Suppose a player, coach or manager gambled on baseball while a member of another team,. I think we all know the answer to that question. The Commissioner's authority to take action in the best interest of baseball is pretty widespread.

 

Not relevant. The Commissioner didn’t take any action against Beltran...

[notin]

The Mets had every right to keep Beltran as manager, he wasn't disciplined by MLB, but he was outed as a cheater and liar, so he was dead in the water as a manager.

 

Exactly. Which is why he isn’ta good example to my question about whether or not a manager could be punished for cheating on a previous team...

[Elktonnick]

Not relevant. The Commissioner didn’t take any action against Beltran...

 

Of course it is relevant, if some players or other involve in management gamble on baseball when members of a previous team and are now with a subsequent team of course the commissioner can suspend or ban. They are placed on the restricted list.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Of course it is relevant, if some players or other involve in management gamble on baseball when members of a previous team and are now with a subsequent team of course the commissioner can suspend or ban. They are placed on the restricted list.

 

This is such a s*** commissioner and should be sued .I would advise Cora and Beltran and Hinch to file immediately.waaaaay too much gray area on the subject and would never hold up in court .I would demand my client gets immediatele reinstatement until such matters are ironed out .Such a safe space millennial view on this it’s incredibly short sighted .

Edited January 19, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost

[Elktonnick]

This is such a s*** commissioner and should be sued .I would advise Cora and Beltran and Hinch to file immediately.

They would probably lose since Cora and Beltran left by mutual agreement with their respective clubs.

[S5Dewey]

They would probably lose since Cora and Beltran left by mutual agreement with their respective clubs.

 

The least you could have done is put 'mutual agreement' in quotes.

[Swiharts Ghost]

The least you could have done is put 'mutual agreement' in quotes.

 

Mutual yeah right

[notin]

Of course it is relevant, if some players or other involve in management gamble on baseball when members of a previous team and are now with a subsequent team of course the commissioner can suspend or ban. They are placed on the restricted list.

 

Your example was Beltrán being fired by the Mets. Being “fired by the Mets” is NOT a league punishment. Manfred had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. The Mets clearly did not like the negative PR associated with Beltran’s name, but they made their own choice to fire him

 

And really, Cora has not yet been punished by the league either. He’s been fired by the Red Sox but that isn’t the same thing...

[notin]

This is such a s*** commissioner and should be sued .I would advise Cora and Beltran and Hinch to file immediately.waaaaay too much gray area on the subject and would never hold up in court .I would demand my client gets immediatele reinstatement until such matters are ironed out .Such a safe space millennial view on this it’s incredibly short sighted .

 

First of all, these players were all FIRED. You can’t demand to be reinstated from being fired.

 

Second, none of them were fired by Manfred. Hinch was suspended but Manfred, but once he got fired, that didn’t matter...

[moonslav59]

I’m 100% behind the Sox parting ways with Cora. This from the fan who called him the greatest Sox manager of all time- before knowing he’s a cheater. No way can he manage my team with that rap.

The Sox did right. Time to move on.

[Elktonnick]

Your example was Beltrán being fired by the Mets. Being “fired by the Mets” is NOT a league punishment. Manfred had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. The Mets clearly did not like the negative PR associated with Beltran’s name, but they made their own choice to fire him

 

And really, Cora has not yet been punished by the league either. He’s been fired by the Red Sox but that isn’t the same thing...

What is your problem? The question was could the commissioner discipline a person whose offense was committed while associated with another team. I gave the examples of gambling to point out the obvious that he could. I just cited Beltran to show that behavior does carry over. What The Mets or Red Sox did was never the issue.

 

The question was regarding what the commissioner can and can not do. Under the best interests of baseball clause he clearly has the authority to place an individual on the restricted list whether that individual is with the team that the offense occurred or not.

[Elktonnick]

The more I think about it I am convinced that Commissioner didn't take action against Beltran was because he probably knew or had a very good idea that what happened was going to happen namely that the Mets and Beltran were going to part company.

[moonslav59]

What is your problem? The question was could the commissioner discipline a person whose offense was committed while associated with another team. I gave the examples of gambling to point out the obvious that he could. I just cited Beltran to show that behavior does carry over. What The Mets or Red Sox did was never the issue.

 

The question was regarding what the commissioner can and can not do. Under the best interests of baseball clause he clearly has the authority to place an individual on the restricted list whether that individual is with the team that the offense occurred or not.

 

Well said.

 

From the team’s point of view, they can certainly can someone when something like this comes up that exposes a hidden truth.

[jacksonianmarch]

JD coming out with this statement literally does nothing. How many criminals say they’re innocent before being proven guilty? It’s human nature to try and avoid punishment. It changes nothing. Nobody knows what the report will say

[notin]

JD coming out with this statement literally does nothing. How many criminals say they’re innocent before being proven guilty? It’s human nature to try and avoid punishment. It changes nothing. Nobody knows what the report will say

 

 

But he also was in the dugout and clubhouse all year and would be aware of any sign stealing.

 

It does like it would really annoy you if the Sox were innocent of all this.

 

But Ithe anonymous source who may or maybe not have ever been in the dugout and clubhouse is more reliable...

Edited January 19, 2020 by notin

[oldtimer]

Well said.

 

From the team’s point of view, they can certainly can someone when something like this comes up that exposes a hidden truth.

 

In the case of Cora and probably Beltran too, the teams asked them what was done in Houston and they answered that they were part of the cheating there. That was enough of an admission for the clubs to have grounds for parting company.

[jacksonianmarch]

But he also was in the dugout and clubhouse all year and would be aware of any sign stealing.

 

It does like it would really annoy you if the Sox were innocent of all this.

 

But Ithe anonymous source who may or maybe not have ever been in the dugout and clubhouse is more reliable...

 

You’ve got an active investigation. You wait for their findings at this point.

[Monster24]

JD coming out with this statement literally does nothing. How many criminals say they’re innocent before being proven guilty? It’s human nature to try and avoid punishment. It changes nothing. Nobody knows what the report will say

 

Have to wait for the report but for now it does mean something to Red Sox fans. JD is considered a good guy and him saying that gives hope that nothing major or widespread was going on.Roenicke basically said the same thing .Assuming he wants the manager job he has to know if he gets it he is gone if the report is bad.

 

There is also a report that Cora was fired because Henry was afraid to Sox could be faced with vacating the 2018 series and thought firing would help.

 

We will all have to wait and see

[Elktonnick]

Have to wait for the report but for now it does mean something to Red Sox fans. JD is considered a good guy and him saying that gives hope that nothing major or widespread was going on.Roenicke basically said the same thing .Assuming he wants the manager job he has to know if he gets it he is gone if the report is bad.

 

There is also a report that Cora was fired because Henry was afraid to Sox could be faced with vacating the 2018 series and thought firing would help.

 

We will all have to wait and see

To your last point, I think it is highly probable that Red Sox FO people have had some contact with the commissioner's office so I suspect Henry had some basis for such a fear.

[jung]

I am not sure a discussion of what the Commissioner can or can not do is relevant when we can see with our own eyes what this Commissioner is doing. He is massaging. There is no serious investigation going on here.

 

The Commissioner is:

- tailoring the story he wants to present

- he is picking on particular participants that he can throw under the bus with impunity, those being Managers and Coaches and front office personnel who are not represented in either Ownership or the PA and retired players also without representation in Ownership or the PA. Cute Manfred, real cute.

 

In the meantime, the media sates itself on idiocy like whether or not Fiers should be castigated or admired for flipping on the Astros after leaving and whether Mendoza should have lost her gig on ESPN for commenting (should not have but she has other issues) and whether Pedro coming put with a similar comment to Mendoza's will mean anything. IMO, this is childish rubbish designed to distract us from the real issues that matter here:

- there is clearly an issue in MLB with the Inorganic use of technology assets like in game, real time, video and electronics in order to cheat

- MLB is doing its level best to bury this as is the Media in general as is Ownership. It remains to be seen if the PA is going to bury it as well.

 

Media is out to bury it under utterly ridiculous issues like whether to castigate Fiers or not and whether Medoza was fairly treated. Ownership is going to keep its head below the grass line and hope this goes away ASAP. MLB is going to pick on particular entities within baseball that are not really represented by anybody, people who are not the constituents of any of the representative groups in baseball, those being Managers, Coach, Front office personnel that are not involved in Ownership and ex-players and hope their carcasses are enough to sate the masses. They should not be if we have any sense as the consuming public, as fans of baseball. But I would bet the farm that the entities identified above are going to try to get away with it.

 

If anything I would have preferred that JD shut the f*** up and talk to his Player Representative with the PA because the PA is the only group of the three headed beast that is baseball, MLB, the Franchises and the PA plus Media that IMO has any chance of stepping to the plate and demanding that MLB manage a process that is actually intended to deal with the crux of the issue head on.

[notin]

So much for waiting for the report...

[Elktonnick]

I am not sure a discussion of what the Commissioner can or can not do is relevant when we can see with our own eyes what this Commissioner is doing. He is massaging. There is no serious investigation going on here.

 

The Commissioner is:

- tailoring the story he wants to present

- he is picking on particular participants that he can throw under the bus with impunity, those being Managers and Coaches and front office personnel who are not represented in either Ownership or the PA and retired players also without representation in Ownership or the PA. Cute Manfred, real cute.

 

In the meantime, the media sates itself on idiocy like whether or not Fiers should be castigated or admired for flipping on the Astros after leaving and whether Mendoza should have lost her gig on ESPN for commenting (should not have but she has other issues) and whether Pedro coming put with a similar comment to Mendoza's will mean anything. IMO, this is childish rubbish designed to distract us from the real issues that matter here:

- there is clearly an issue in MLB with the Inorganic use of technology assets like in game, real time, video and electronics in order to cheat

- MLB is doing its level best to bury this as is the Media in general as is Ownership. It remains to be seen if the PA is going to bury it as well.

 

Media is out to bury it under utterly ridiculous issues like whether to castigate Fiers or not and whether Medoza was fairly treated. Ownership is going to keep its head below the grass line and hope this goes away ASAP. MLB is going to pick on particular entities within baseball that are not really represented by anybody, people who are not the constituents of any of the representative groups in baseball, those being Managers, Coach, Front office personnel that are not involved in Ownership and ex-players and hope their carcasses are enough to sate the masses. They should not be if we have any sense as the consuming public, as fans of baseball. But I would bet the farm that the entities identified above are going to try to get away with it.

 

If anything I would have preferred that JD shut the f*** up and talk to his Player Representative with the PA because the PA is the only group of the three headed beast that is baseball, MLB, the Franchises and the PA plus Media that IMO has any chance of stepping to the plate and demanding that MLB manage a process that is actually intended to deal with the crux of the issue head on.

 

ESPN needs to revamp their baseball broadcast regardless of what Mendoza said. The broadcast is unwatchable. Mendoza is merely the worst of the lot

Matt Vastersian has to be the worst play by play guy since Bob Gamere