will Cora get hit with the Hammer??

[Elktonnick]

Yes, I mentioned that in earlier posts. Even a minor second offense could bring stiff punishment to set an example. I get that, but I still think the degree of the second offense (that must be proven) plays into the type of punishment we will receive.

 

Why so negative on Tito? Hated all that winning?

 

He let the clubhouse get away from him.

[moonslav59]

He let the clubhouse get away from him.

 

I loved Tito, but you are right. He let the clubhouse get away from him and had to go.

[mvp 78]

@TBrownYahoo

Carlos Beltran has told the Mets it is best if he steps down. Looks like the direction this will take.

[jung]

2014 makes sense, because that's the year the new replay rules and the replay rooms were instituted.

 

The Astros offense from 2014-2016 is pretty mundane and then it explodes in 2017 just as the Sox offense explodes in 2018.

[jad]

Yep, my recollection was faulty. Was Alex Karras suspended from football at the same time?

 

Karras and Hornung. Much later. (late 50s? early 60s? Durocher's suspension was before my time--40s?) As I recall, they were only suspended for a year.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The Astros offense from 2014-2016 is pretty mundane and then it explodes in 2017 just as the Sox offense explodes in 2018.

 

I'll argue this all day: Boston's offensive peaks and valleys from 2016 to 2017 to 2018 can be directly attributed to two men -- and neither was part of management.

The '16 and '18 Red Sox led the AL in Runs, Doubles, Batting Average and OPS -- while in '17 they were middle of the pack in all categories... all because of the DH.

 

In '16 Ortiz had one of the greatest final seasons in history, and in '17 the offense sorely missed that one huge middle-of-the-order threat, which DD signed the following offseason.

 

Then in '18 JD had one of the greatest first seasons in history. The batting order revolved around these linchpins.

 

Martinez also became a de facto player-hitting coach, helping many hitters improve, using vid- dammit!

[notin]

The Astros offense from 2014-2016 is pretty mundane and then it explodes in 2017 just as the Sox offense explodes in 2018.

 

 

Some of that can be attributed to players like Carlo Correa replacing Villar and then eventually reaching the legal drinking age. But no one really does epitomize the effect better than Marwin Gonzalez...

[jung]

I'll argue this all day: Boston's offensive peaks and valleys from 2016 to 2017 to 2018 can be directly attributed to two men -- and neither was part of management.

The '16 and '18 Red Sox led the AL in Runs, Doubles, Batting Average and OPS -- while in '17 they were middle of the pack in all categories... all because of the DH.

 

In '16 Ortiz had one of the greatest final seasons in history, and in '17 the offense sorely missed that one huge middle-of-the-order threat, which DD signed the following offseason.

 

Then in '18 JD had one of the greatest first seasons in history. The batting order revolved around these linchpins.

 

Martinez also became a de facto player-hitting coach, helping many hitters improve, using vid- dammit!

 

That said, if you give a professional hitter data real time in game data he believes is accurate that forewarns him to FB v offspeed/breaking pitch, you have turned the core of the game, the pitcher/hitter match up into something incomprehensibly warped. If you can provide that for hitters, its the greatest single manipulation and advantage in all of professional team sports. There is virtually nothing I can think of that approaches it in professional team sports. There is literally no sense in even playing the games at that point and I mean that in all seriousness.

[jung]

Beltran gone from the Mets. Fired today.

 

Makes sense. Ownership around the league is going to close ranks around Manfred's assertion that this is a case of a few bad apples in a league full of pure as the driven snow franchises, franchises that have never really proven on balance to be pure as the driven snow.

Edited January 16, 2020 by jung

[Slasher9]

does any site offer 2018 splits home vs away runner on 2b?

i would like to do a player by player analysis of our lineup that year but baseball reference doesnt allow me to split out home vs away (with runners on base).

Edited January 16, 2020 by Slasher9

[harmony]

Beltran gone from the Mets. Fired today.

 

Makes sense. Ownership around the league is going to close ranks around Manfred's assertion that this is a case of a few bad apples in a league full of pure as the driven snow franchises, franchises that have never really proven on balance to be pure as the driven snow.

[Slasher9]

does any site offer 2018 splits home vs away runner on 2b?

i would like to do a player by player analysis of our lineup that year but baseball reference doesnt allow me to split out home vs away (with runners on base).

 

anyone?

does fangraphs site allow this sort of drilling down?

[mvp 78]

anyone?

does fangraphs site allow this sort of drilling down?

 

Have you looked lazy bones?

[Slasher9]

Have you looked lazy bones?

 

i tried BR with no success. i was hoping someone with FG experience can point me in a direction. i am a bit scairt of that site. everytime i go on it i get lost for 3-4 hours. i will try later this morning tho.

[mvp 78]

Home vs Away with runners in scoring position 2018

 

H: 197/145

HR: 28/23

RBI: 281/237

K: 135/101

BB: 97/94

PA: 732/637

 

So they did perform better at home with runners in scoring position, but that also lines up with them hitting better at home with bases empty (lower batting average, less hr's per PA, etc.).

[mvp 78]

With no runners on:

 

H: 318/357

HR: 52/53

RBI: 52/53

K: 230/342 (worse k% away)

BB: 91/122

PA: 1177/1532 (many more PA's is why there are equal HR's, more BB's, etc.)

BA: 294/256 (higher avg at home)

[mvp 78]

Now, if you look at all the teams and how they fared at home with runners in scoring postion:

 

For BOS:

AVG 2nd best

HR% 8th best

K% 4th worst

B% 12th best

RBI's/PA 5th best

 

A team that was better than the Sox in almost every category: the Minnesota Twins. What were they hiding in 2018??????

[jacksonianmarch]

Now, if you look at all the teams and how they fared at home with runners in scoring postion:

 

For BOS:

AVG 2nd best

HR% 8th best

K% 4th worst

B% 12th best

RBI's/PA 5th best

 

A team that was better than the Sox in almost every category: the Minnesota Twins. What were they hiding in 2018??????

 

Their stash of HGH and super balls. The Twins went power crazy last year

[mvp 78]

Their stash of HGH and super balls. The Twins went power crazy last year

 

You mean in 2019? In 2018, the one category where they were worse than the Sox in the above discussion was HR's (12th best).

[jacksonianmarch]

You mean in 2019? In 2018, the one category where they were worse than the Sox in the above discussion was HR's (12th best).

 

Sorry, you are correct

[mvp 78]

Sorry, you are correct

 

For future reference, you should be your reply to all my posts.

 

Also, they hit rather well in 2018 in these circumstances. Maybe it was a sign of things to come for the Twinkies rather than a sign of them cheating?

[Slasher9]

Home vs Away with runners in scoring position 2018

 

H: 197/145

HR: 28/23

RBI: 281/237

K: 135/101

BB: 97/94

PA: 732/637

 

So they did perform better at home with runners in scoring position, but that also lines up with them hitting better at home with bases empty (lower batting average, less hr's per PA, etc.).

 

thank you.

any chance you can run this same thing but remove runner only at 3rd?

basically want to see the comps between home vs away with a runner always at 2b (so bases loaded, runners 1st & 2nd, runner on 2nd, runners on 2nd and 3rd).

[mvp 78]

thank you.

any chance you can run this same thing but remove runner only at 3rd?

basically want to see the comps between home vs away with a runner always at 2b (so bases loaded, runners 1st & 2nd, runner on 2nd, runners on 2nd and 3rd).

 

No, I didn't see a way to only select runners on 2b. It was either no runners, any runners or runners in scoring position.

[Slasher9]

No, I didn't see a way to only select runners on 2b. It was either no runners, any runners or runners in scoring position.

 

boo. stupid splits.

[moonslav59]

I don't think anyone breaks down home vs away into other splits like these wanted.

 

They do have overall (H+A) numbers with a man on 2B:

 

OPS

2019

.883 2nd only

.856 1st & 2nd

.739 2nd and 3rd

.734 1st, 2nd & 3rd

 

2018

.853 2nd

.783 1+2

1.030 2+3

.962 1,2,3

 

2017

.772 2nd

.712 1+2

1.100 2+3

.686 1,2,3

 

Not that this helps or hurts proving anything.

[mvp 78]

I don't think anyone breaks down home vs away into other splits like these wanted.

 

They do have overall (H+A) numbers with a man on 2B:

 

OPS

2019

.883 2nd only

.856 1st & 2nd

.739 2nd and 3rd

.734 1st, 2nd & 3rd

 

2018

.853 2nd

.783 1+2

1.030 2+3

.962 1,2,3

 

2017

.772 2nd

.712 1+2

1.100 2+3

.686 1,2,3

 

Not that this helps or hurts proving anything.

 

Well, it shows there isn't necessarily a pattern that the Sox were better in 2018 when a runner was on 2b.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

On a tangent that has nothing to do with signs -- just sighs -- the Sox had to be one of the worst in '19 with guys on third and less than 2 outs. At least it seemed that way all season.

[mvp 78]

On a tangent that has nothing to do with signs -- just sighs -- the Sox had to be one of the worst in '19 with guys on third and less than 2 outs. At least it seemed that way all season.

 

It's too late in the day on Friday for me to export anything else into Excel. Sorry.

[moonslav59]

Well, it shows there isn't necessarily a pattern that the Sox were better in 2018 when a runner was on 2b.

 

Maybe not better than 2019, or at least very close...

 

Look at the PAs per sample and extrapolate...

 

2019

.883 in 537 PAs man on 2nd only

.856 in 385 PAs man on 1 + 2

.739 in 182 PAs 2 + 3

.734 in 174 PAs bases loaded

 

2018

.853 in 579 2nd

.783 in 402 1+2

1.030 in 176

.963 in 196 bases loaded

 

Man on 2nd only and 1st & 2nd combine for over 900 PAs each season

 

Man on 2 & 3 or loaded is only 350-375.

 

[Slasher9]

I don't think anyone breaks down home vs away into other splits like these wanted.

 

They do have overall (H+A) numbers with a man on 2B:

 

OPS

2019

.883 2nd only

.856 1st & 2nd

.739 2nd and 3rd

.734 1st, 2nd & 3rd

 

2018

.853 2nd

.783 1+2

1.030 2+3

.962 1,2,3

 

2017

.772 2nd

.712 1+2

1.100 2+3

.686 1,2,3

 

Not that this helps or hurts proving anything.

 

thanks.

I would find it very intriguing to see H v A splits for these exact numbers. that would tell the story....