Betts or Martinez?

[Bellhorn04]

There is a way we can keep both... "but obviously it will be difficult," said Sam.

 

Sammy Lucchino.

[Bellhorn04]

If they keep Betts all year, they get like a 4th rounder as compensation I think. If they trade him midseason, you'll get a far smaller return.

 

To me, trading him at midseason is a bigg gamble. What if he gets hurt in May? What if you are still in contention in August? If the Sox stink from day 1, are they going to trade him early and drive fans away in June? Far too many variables for my liking.

 

Whatever they do is a gamble loaded with what-ifs.

 

I presume a lot depends on what actual offers they get him for him this offseason.

[notin]

Sammy Lucchino.

 

That name just sounds like a Mafia crime boss, but he needs a cool nickname. Like Sammy "The Lizard" Lucchino...

[mvp 78]

Whatever they do is a gamble loaded with what-ifs.

 

I presume a lot depends on what actual offers they get him for him this offseason.

 

Interesting!

[Bellhorn04]

If there is even the smallest amount of truth to the respective values at BTV, moving Martinez is almost pointless. The Sopx can reset, have a gaping hole in the offense, and get pretty much nothing going forward for 2021 and beyond from the trade. The only comfort there is the Sox also got essentially nothing from the Punto Trade except financial relief and still won a World Series title 14 months later...

 

That was MASSIVE financial relief though...

[Bellhorn04]

Interesting!

 

I mean, the current buzz is that the offers are not going to be all that juicy.

[Bellhorn04]

Myers is expensive for the rest of his deal, but in terms of Average Annual Value, it's only valued at about $13mill. So moving Price for him would reduce the Sox payroll towards the luxury tax by nearly $18mill. This isn't so much about saving money as it is getting below the limit governed by the AAV of the contracts...

 

Agreed, the AAV saving would be healthy. And Myers could certainly bounce back.

[notin]

That was MASSIVE financial relief though...

 

It was. But the remaining Sox roster was not all that impressive.

 

If the Sox move Martinez - and to whom - I don't expect much beyond a middling prospect and some financial relief. Then the Sox have to get someone to replace his bat, and Travis Shaw isn't going to cut it...

Edited December 3, 2019 by notin

[notin]

Agreed, the AAV saving would be healthy. And Myers could certainly bounce back.

 

Myers was weak offensively last year, but it was his first year in San Diego with an OPS+ below 109. If he gets back to that level, he would basically be like Mitch Moreland (OPS+ 112, OPS: 835) last year for the Sox. His fWAR is always pretty low, but that is because he is a lousy outfielder, at least in CF and RF, where San Diego played him for reasons no one will ever understand. The Sox could move him to 1B and ignore his OF defense...

[moonslav59]

Myers is expensive for the rest of his deal, but in terms of Average Annual Value, it's only valued at about $13mill. So moving Price for him would reduce the Sox payroll towards the luxury tax by nearly $18mill. This isn't so much about saving money as it is getting below the limit governed by the AAV of the contracts...

 

Exactly, and the AVV means nothing to SD, but the actual salary owed does.

 

We could even chip in a couple mil per year, if needed.

[moonslav59]

That was MASSIVE financial relief though...

 

So too would trading Price & Betts.

[moonslav59]

Agreed, the AAV saving would be healthy. And Myers could certainly bounce back.

 

Yes, and it's not like Price will be useless with LA, either.

 

Sure, his salary is way too high, but he could bounce back, too or just give 100-150 quality IP each of the next 3 years. That has some value.

 

Myers gives us OF depth and a warm body at 1B. He's not my idea of part of a rebuild, but he does have upside. The salary relief, especially on the lux budget, is what the trade would be all about.

[Bellhorn04]

So too would trading Price & Betts.

 

Big, but not as exciting as the Punto trade by any means, I don't think.

[OH FOY]

If Price is not moved, he becomes a 5-10 guy now after this year.

[notin]

If Price is not moved, he becomes a 5-10 guy now after this year.

 

Eh. A $32mill salary is as good as a no-trade clause...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If Price is not moved, he becomes a 5-10 guy now after this year.

 

Just another reason to get him gone asap, even if it means taking on someone else's bad contract -- I'm not concerned with the return for Price, as long as it decreases the Sox payroll.

 

There will be other arms with questionable status at a lot less monetary risk. Wonder if the Sox will kick the tires on Tijuan Walker? Here's the latest quote on him from MLBtraderumors: "seemed to be a prime bounceback candidate, albeit also a clear injury risk at a $5.025MM projected price tag."

 

If he can pitch, even at 5 mil, that's probably less than half of what Porcello will get...

[notin]

Just another reason to get him gone asap, even if it means taking on someone else's bad contract -- I'm not concerned with the return for Price, as long as it decreases the Sox payroll.

 

There will be other arms with questionable status at a lot less monetary risk. Wonder if the Sox will kick the tires on Tijuan Walker? Here's the latest quote on him from MLBtraderumors: "seemed to be a prime bounceback candidate, albeit also a clear injury risk at a $5.025MM projected price tag."

 

If he can pitch, even at 5 mil, that's probably less than half of what Porcello will get...

 

Walker is a guy I put into the same category as Danny Salazar. The Sox are coming off a year where SP injuries derailed the season. If your problem is SP injuries, Taijuan Walker is more likely to be part of the problem than part of the solution...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I get that, but a few bounce-backs at age 27 are more desirable than more Jhoulys Chacins in their 30s. It may be a more realistic alternative to rushing guys up to the majors. MLB-ready starters who look like legitimate rotation guys like Dustin May are obviously coveted by every GM, and either untouchable or cost-prohibitive.

[moonslav59]

Big, but not as exciting as the Punto trade by any means, I don't think.

 

Well, trading Betts is certainly more "exciting" than trading AGon. Price is close to equal with Crawford+ Beckett.

 

Punto tips the balance for excitement. Maybe we can include Lin.

[jacksonianmarch]

That is an interesting possibility. If the sox don't like the offers for Betts, do they package him with Price and say take them?

[Bellhorn04]

Well, trading Betts is certainly more "exciting" than trading AGon. Price is close to equal with Crawford+ Beckett.

 

Punto tips the balance for excitement. Maybe we can include Lin.

 

What I mean is, the Punto deal was exciting because it shed some real albatrosses.

 

Trading Betts would just be a drag.

[Bellhorn04]

That is an interesting possibility. If the sox don't like the offers for Betts, do they package him with Price and say take them?

 

But who is going to take on all that money? It's 60 million for 2020.

[moonslav59]

What I mean is, the Punto deal was exciting because it shed some real albatrosses.

 

Trading Betts would just be a drag.

 

Price is a bigger albatross than Crawford- money wise, even accounting for inflation.

 

Beckett was a quasi-salary dump.

 

AGon was not a dump, but he declined shorty afterwards.

[moonslav59]

But who is going to take on all that money? It's 60 million for 2020.

 

Not all. We could take back AJ Pollock and/or Pederson (not a salary dump player but is paid well).

 

If it's the Padres, we could take back Myers and Margot plus a prospect.

 

We could kick in some money, if needed, but the more we chip in the less the positive budget affect would be.

[notin]

Not all. We could take back AJ Pollock and/or Pederson (not a salary dump player but is paid well).

 

If it's the Padres, we could take back Myers and Margot plus a prospect.

 

We could kick in some money, if needed, but the more we chip in the less the positive budget affect would be.

 

Price, Betts, and Bradley for Pollock, Pederson and Stripling. Yes, it is acceptable on BTV. Probably less so with the Dodgers' Accounts Payable Department...

[Bellhorn04]

Price is a bigger albatross than Crawford- money wise, even accounting for inflation.

 

I think we saved more money on Crawford than we would on Price. We only paid Crawford for 2011 and about 3/4 of 2012.

[moonslav59]

Price, Betts, and Bradley for Pollock, Pederson and Stripling. Yes, it is acceptable on BTV. Probably less so with the Dodgers' Accounts Payable Department...

 

We could kick in $2-3M a year and still save bigly.

[moonslav59]

I think we saved more money on Crawford than we would on Price. We only paid Crawford for 2011 and about 3/4 of 2012.

 

We actually made payments to the Dodgers until CC's contract ran out.

 

$3.9M x 3 years

plus

$1.25M x 2 for Beckett

$857K x 5 for AGon

$857K x 5 for Crawford

 

All total, it came to about $15M, and one could assume it was all really geared towards paying for CC's contract, since the others were not really "salary dump" players.

 

That would knock about $3M/yr off CC's $20.9M a year deal.

 

$18M x 5 for Crawford vs $32M x 3 for Price is close to even.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Price, Betts, and Bradley for Pollock, Pederson and Stripling. Yes, it is acceptable on BTV. Probably less so with the Dodgers' Accounts Payable Department...

 

If that went down, Sox fans would hate those ex-Dodgers even more than the LA Dodgers. And no subsequent signings from the payroll savings could ever save those three in Boston, who would forever be marked as the players we traded "for Betts and Bradley?"

[mvp 78]

Price, Betts, and Bradley for Pollock, Pederson and Stripling. Yes, it is acceptable on BTV. Probably less so with the Dodgers' Accounts Payable Department...

 

I'd bet dollars to donuts that their payroll department is probably separate from AP.