Bloom move your asssssss

[Elktonnick]

While true, as he said nothing definitive, you were merely being redundant. It was the Debate Equivalent of “I know you are but what am I?” And you know that.

 

I have hopes for you bringing up salient counterpoints. I know you can do better...

Rene Descartes proved the philosophical existence of man by the simple expression Cogito ergo sum which essentially became the foundation of Western Philosophy. Bloom, maybe be just thinking but he isn't doing. So other than existing what else has he demonstrated? Nihil facit!

[moonslav59]

Rene Descartes proved the philosophical existence of man by the simple expression Cogito ergo sum which essentially became the foundation of Western Philosophy. Bloom, maybe be just thinking but he isn't doing. So other than existing what else has he demonstrated? Nihil facit!

 

Bloom is no Nietzsche.

[Elktonnick]

Bloom is no Nietzsche.

 

How do you know? He hasn"t done anything. Nada, zilch, zip, zero!

[jacksonianmarch]

His current budget for acquisitions is in the negative, so he isn’t gonna do much more than shop the clearance section

[Elktonnick]

His current budget for acquisitions is in the negative, so he isn’t gonna do much more than shop the clearance section

 

Supposedly according to many here he was hired to sell not buy.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom is no Nietzsche.

 

Bloom is more of a James Joyce type.

[moonslav59]

How do you know? He hasn"t done anything. Nada, zilch, zip, zero!

 

Nietzche was a doer.

[Bellhorn04]

Supposedly according to many here he was hired to sell not buy.

 

1) On Sept. 26, 2019 John Henry said:

 

"This year we need to be under the CBT and that was something we've known for more than a year now. If you don't reset there are penalties so we've known for some time now we needed to reset as other clubs have done."

 

2) On Oct 25, 2019 Bloom was hired.

 

3) The Red Sox projected 2020 payroll for tax purposes is currently 20 million or more over the tax threshold.

 

Does that explain it?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Buy? The philosophers in the front office started their mantra last summer -- when I first heard it in an interview with LaRussa: "We stink, therefore we arent..."

[notin]

Supposedly according to many here he was hired to sell not buy.

 

 

Also according to Henry and Sam Kennedy.

 

I think specifically he was hired to build a playoff team for a lot less money, like he did in Tampa (but not that little money)...

[notin]

Bloom is more of a James Joyce type.

 

I think of Bloom as being more like Dickens, and Dombrowski was pure Tom Wolfe...

[Bellhorn04]

I think of Bloom as being more like Dickens, and Dombrowski was pure Tom Wolfe...

 

At the moment, the literary model for this offseason seems to be Waiting for Godot...

[mvp 78]

Cormac McCarthy as a GM would be much more fun.

[Bellhorn04]

Cormac McCarthy as a GM would be much more fun.

 

Too many dead bodies.

[mvp 78]

Too many dead bodies.

 

It'd be a gritty fun tho!

[Elktonnick]

1) On Sept. 26, 2019 John Henry said:

 

"This year we need to be under the CBT and that was something we've known for more than a year now. If you don't reset there are penalties so we've known for some time now we needed to reset as other clubs have done."

 

2) On Oct 25, 2019 Bloom was hired.

 

3) The Red Sox projected 2020 payroll for tax purposes is currently 20 million or more over the tax threshold.

 

Does that explain it?

 

The point is Bloom is too busy contemplating his navel to have done anything. So far he hasn't done anything he was purportedly hired to do.

 

The question remains is he paralyzed by analysis or the decision by consensus approach the Red Sox have supposedly implemented? Is time still on his side or not?

[notin]

The point is Bloom is too busy contemplating his navel to have done anything. So far he hasn't done anything he was purportedly hired to do.

 

The question remains is he paralyzed by analysis or the decision by consensus approach the Red Sox have supposedly implemented? Is time still on his side or not?

 

 

Dombrowski wasn’t exactly the fastest mover the last two offseasons, either.

 

But as of now, it’s stil only December 17, and the season is over 3 full months away. And most of the names taken off the board were names that didn’t fit their budget anyway. And Bloom has added a couple players, albeit unexciting ones. But both have some level of promise.

 

But he does have to clear a lot of salary, and while he reportedly has had an offer or two for Price, what we don’t know is how much salary it would have cleared. If Team X came in and said “We’ll take Price, but we need you to kick in $65 million and we will send back another Josh Tobias type,” do you really think Bloom should be taking that deal? Or “We’ll take Price’s full contract if you take Robinson Cano’s.” (Both players are owed $96 million, but Cano’s money is over 4 years while Price’s is over 3.) While that move does put the Sox $7mill closer, it might not be enough to accomplish the goal and probably clinches the need to trade Betts.

 

But Bloom could act hastily and screw thus team up, if that’s what you want...

[harmony]

Dombrowski wasn’t exactly the fastest mover the last two offseasons, either.

 

But as of now, it’s stil only December 17, and the season is over 3 full months away. And most of the names taken off the board were names that didn’t fit their budget anyway. And Bloom has added a couple players, albeit unexciting ones. But both have some level of promise.

 

But he does have to clear a lot of salary, and while he reportedly has had an offer or two for Price, what we don’t know is how much salary it would have cleared. If Team X came in and said “We’ll take Price, but we need you to kick in $65 million and we will send back another Josh Tobias type,” do you really think Bloom should be taking that deal? Or “We’ll take Price’s full contract if you take Robinson Cano’s.” (Both players are owed $96 million, but Cano’s money is over 4 years while Price’s is over 3.) While that move does put the Sox $7mill closer, it might not be enough to accomplish the goal and probably clinches the need to trade Betts.

 

But Bloom could act hastily and screw thus team up, if that’s what you want...

Good points.

 

To be precise, the Seattle Mariners reportedly are paying $3.75 million each December 1 on Robinson Cano's contract, leaving just under $85 million over four remaining seasons.

[Elktonnick]

Dombrowski wasn’t exactly the fastest mover the last two offseasons, either.

 

But as of now, it’s stil only December 17, and the season is over 3 full months away. And most of the names taken off the board were names that didn’t fit their budget anyway. And Bloom has added a couple players, albeit unexciting ones. But both have some level of promise.

 

But he does have to clear a lot of salary, and while he reportedly has had an offer or two for Price, what we don’t know is how much salary it would have cleared. If Team X came in and said “We’ll take Price, but we need you to kick in $65 million and we will send back another Josh Tobias type,” do you really think Bloom should be taking that deal? Or “We’ll take Price’s full contract if you take Robinson Cano’s.” (Both players are owed $96 million, but Cano’s money is over 4 years while Price’s is over 3.) While that move does put the Sox $7mill closer, it might not be enough to accomplish the goal and probably clinches the need to trade Betts.

 

But Bloom could act hastily and screw thus team up, if that’s what you want...

 

There are always plenty of excuses for doing nothing. Until he proves otherwise Bloom is just one more "wunderkind" wannabe!

[notin]

Good points.

 

To be precise, the Seattle Mariners reportedly are paying $3.75 million each December 1 on Robinson Cano's contract, leaving just under $85 million over four remaining seasons.

 

But if the Mets trade Cano. they do not have to send the money from Seattle along with him...

[notin]

There are always plenty of excuses for doing nothing. Until he proves otherwise Bloom is just one more "wunderkind" wannabe!

 

If his goal is to unload a lot of cash - and per everyone in the Sox front office, it is - then he also needs to find a willing GM to take on said cash, or as much of it as possible. That means his "inaction" isn't necessarily all on his inability to make a decision, but rather his waiting on the decisions from his league-wide counterparts to help fulfuill his needs.

 

And really, he cannot add too much until he knows how much he can unload. This is probably not a matter of Bloom being unable to make a decision or overthinking everything. There are 31 other decision makes involved around the league he needs input from.

 

Or he could act hastily and give the appearance of activity and see if anything is better out there, especially if what he is currently doesn't make all that much sense...

[Elktonnick]

If his goal is to unload a lot of cash - and per everyone in the Sox front office, it is - then he also needs to find a willing GM to take on said cash, or as much of it as possible. That means his "inaction" isn't necessarily all on his inability to make a decision, but rather his waiting on the decisions from his league-wide counterparts to help fulfuill his needs.

 

And really, he cannot add too much until he knows how much he can unload. This is probably not a matter of Bloom being unable to make a decision or overthinking everything. There are 31 other decision makes involved around the league he needs input from.

 

Or he could act hastily and give the appearance of activity and see if anything is better out there, especially if what he is currently doesn't make all that much sense...

 

Or he could be just indecisive. He could be overwhelmed with the realization that people actually care about the Red Sox as opposed to the friends family and fans for the opposing team that typically show up for Rays games.

[Bellhorn04]

Or he could be just indecisive. He could be overwhelmed with the realization that people actually care about the Red Sox as opposed to the friends family and fans for the opposing team that typically show up for Rays games.

 

Or maybe you are just impatient and have a negative bias.

 

There are many possibilities in play.

[mvp 78]

Or maybe you are just impatient and have a negative bias.

 

There are many possibilities in play.

 

Considering how many of his buddies got purged back in 2012, I think we know the answer to this.

[harmony]

Sometimes the best decision is the deal you decline.

[notin]

Or he could be just indecisive. He could be overwhelmed with the realization that people actually care about the Red Sox as opposed to the friends family and fans for the opposing team that typically show up for Rays games.

 

And yet he still put together a playoff team there, and for very little money.

 

I doubt he considers our opinions as opposed to his own judgement that enabled him to land the job in the first place amd has enabled him to build winning teams before. There is a saying among sports professionals - "Don't listen to the fans, or you'll wind up sitting in the stands with them."

[jacksonianmarch]

The point is Bloom is too busy contemplating his navel to have done anything. So far he hasn't done anything he was purportedly hired to do.

 

The question remains is he paralyzed by analysis or the decision by consensus approach the Red Sox have supposedly implemented? Is time still on his side or not?

 

It’s difficult when your budget for offseason improvements is in the negative. You’re at the whim of the market. The problem for Bloom is that the guys he wants to offload are overpaid and won’t help in a rebuild. The guys he wants to keep aren’t going to get him under. He needs to be patient right now, but that patience is likely to leave holes into the season. I doubt Price gets moved in 2019. Heck, I doubt he gets moved before pitchers and catchers report. Teams get desperate when guys show up and all of a sudden, someone big has an injury. Happens every single year

[moonslav59]

It’s difficult when your budget for offseason improvements is in the negative. You’re at the whim of the market. The problem for Bloom is that the guys he wants to offload are overpaid and won’t help in a rebuild. The guys he wants to keep aren’t going to get him under. He needs to be patient right now, but that patience is likely to leave holes into the season. I doubt Price gets moved in 2019. Heck, I doubt he gets moved before pitchers and catchers report. Teams get desperate when guys show up and all of a sudden, someone big has an injury. Happens every single year

 

Not many deals are made in March or April, and only a few in May.

 

My guess is Price and JBJ are moved this winter. It's not so much about the return as it is about making budget space for Bloom to work his magic. We might get a useful piece or decent prospect or two, but I'm not counting on anything special.

 

[harmony]

Not many deals are made in March or April, and only a few in May.

 

My guess is Price and JBJ are moved this winter. It's not so much about the return as it is about making budget space for Bloom to work his magic. We might get a useful piece or decent prospect or two, but I'm not counting on anything special.

 

If other teams perceive the Red Sox as dead-set in getting under the luxury tax threshold, the Sox may lose already scarce leverage by waiting to midseason to trade David Price or others.

 

Or not.

[moonslav59]

If other teams perceive the Red Sox as dead-set in getting under the luxury tax threshold, the Sox may lose already scarce leverage by waiting to midseason to trade David Price or others.

 

Or not.

 

I don't see the budget priority as having much leverage. We have numerous players we can deal and teams that may be interested.

 

If we deal Price and JBJ, it will be because the team wants them.

 

Yes, knowing we have to shed salary adds some leverage, but I doubt it's all that much.

 

If we wait until July, it will be because we are making one final run at it with the idea that we may have a fire sale, if we are out of it in July. Maybe teams can take advantage of the desperate nature of that sale, but we will likely be selling way more players than needed to get under the tax line, so no single deal will be holding us to the fire.