The JD opt out

[jacksonianmarch]

JD said today that he doesn’t mind moving around, that he actually likes it. He also would get a $2.5 mil kicker if he opted out. Those words certainly make it sound like he’s at least considering moving on from Boston

[Swiharts Ghost]

JD said today that he doesn’t mind moving around, that he actually likes it. He also would get a $2.5 mil kicker if he opted out. Those words certainly make it sound like he’s at least considering moving on from Boston

 

Gooooood Riddance

[Swiharts Ghost]

JD said today that he doesn’t mind moving around, that he actually likes it. He also would get a $2.5 mil kicker if he opted out. Those words certainly make it sound like he’s at least considering moving on from Boston

 

Gooooood Riddance glorified DH

[Bellhorn04]

Gooooood Riddance glorified DH

 

You are a nutjob.

[moonslav59]

You are a nutjob.

 

Yes, indeed. Nobody should be happy to see JD go.

 

He's a class act and was not overpaid.

[jacksonianmarch]

He was healthy and a consummate professional whose approach rubbed off on the other hitters in your lineup. They guy is a nightmare to pitch to as well. He’s the best DH in baseball. Anytime you lose the best player at a position, you downgrade your production. This may be better for the Sox in the long run as they can get under the cap and start the rebuild sooner with his money off the books

[Bellhorn04]

He was healthy and a consummate professional whose approach rubbed off on the other hitters in your lineup. They guy is a nightmare to pitch to as well. He’s the best DH in baseball. Anytime you lose the best player at a position, you downgrade your production. This may be better for the Sox in the long run as they can get under the cap and start the rebuild sooner with his money off the books

 

Yep. Just get ready for a 72-90 2020.

[jad]

Yeah, Big Papi sucked too. Plus, the entire ALeague pitching staff did nothing at the plate all year. DFA them all.

[harmony]

He was healthy and a consummate professional whose approach rubbed off on the other hitters in your lineup. They guy is a nightmare to pitch to as well. He’s the best DH in baseball. Anytime you lose the best player at a position, you downgrade your production. This may be better for the Sox in the long run as they can get under the cap and start the rebuild sooner with his money off the books

This year J.D. Martinez posted 3.2 fWAR and an wRC+ of 139 in 146 games while Minnesota designated hitter Nelson Cruz posted 4.3 fWAR and a wRC+ of 163 in 120 games:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=dh&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2019&month=0&season1=2019&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2019-01-01&enddate=2019-12-31

[jacksonianmarch]

You got me. Best DH in baseball over the past 3 years. Nelson Cruz and the rocketball/PED got his fWAR up

[Slasher9]

i would be OK with him moving on with much gratitude for 2018.

[notin]

This year J.D. Martinez posted 3.2 fWAR and an wRC+ of 139 in 146 games while Minnesota designated hitter Nelson Cruz posted 4.3 fWAR and a wRC+ of 163 in 120 games:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=dh&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2019&month=0&season1=2019&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2019-01-01&enddate=2019-12-31

 

He's most definitely among the best DHs in the game. He will be a loss...

[notin]

JD said today that he doesn’t mind moving around, that he actually likes it. He also would get a $2.5 mil kicker if he opted out. Those words certainly make it sound like he’s at least considering moving on from Boston

 

Even with the $2.5mill, he is likely to make less money than if he does not opt out.

[Slasher9]

Even with the $2.5mill, he is likely to make less money than if he does not opt out.

 

i think he would be dumb to opt out. but never underestimate the evilness and power of scott boras. he got Manny to poison pill himself as he wasnt making a dime on the existing Sox contract and needed an extension/new deal done.

[Nick]

If I'm the Yankees, I'd sign JD in a heart beat with short right field porch. He'd hit 50 homers easy with the lineup around him.

[Nick]

For the Sox, I would trade Betts for cost controlled arm and assuming JD leaves, reload in 2021.

[jacksonianmarch]

If I'm the Yankees, I'd sign JD in a heart beat with short right field porch. He'd hit 50 homers easy with the lineup around him.

 

It sure is tempting, but I’d pass. We need a guy at the top of the rotation. With German staring at a suspension and his performance being pretty average outside of win total, he is more a mid rotation guy. Same with Tanaka. Same with Montgomery should he be healthy. Same with the upside of JA Happ. Our rotation’s upside rests with the perpetually frustrating and injured Paxton and Sevy, who missed the whole year.

 

While Cashman likes to hurt his competitors on the open market, I think this offseason, we’ll be focusing on hurting Houston. Outside of an ARod style overpay by an outlier, I think Cash has his sights set on Cole

[jacksonianmarch]

For the Sox, I would trade Betts for cost controlled arm and assuming JD leaves, reload in 2021.

 

The game now is depth. With these players pushing the limits of the human body in terms of strength and flexibility, they’re also getting hurt more. Everyone knows the Yanks struggles with injury, but TB had some big injuries too. They lost months from their top 3 starters in Chirinos, Snell and Glasnow. Their ROY candidate missed the back half of the year. Yet they still won mid 90s. The game is depth. Dealing Betts will add a lot of depth, but whomever takes over needs to know how to build depth from within and the outside

[Carpin]

I was reviewing JD contract terms, if he opts-out he will be leaving "only" 60 millions on the table, including his opt-out buyout; looking at the terms, he's in a good position, he will be looking for a contract topping that number; I'm sure somebody will offer 3yrs/75Mill + an option depending on health or even 4 years straight up, it's a win-win for the Sox and JD, the Sox get their payroll flexibility and JD more money in FA

[Nick]

The game now is depth. With these players pushing the limits of the human body in terms of strength and flexibility, they’re also getting hurt more. Everyone knows the Yanks struggles with injury, but TB had some big injuries too. They lost months from their top 3 starters in Chirinos, Snell and Glasnow. Their ROY candidate missed the back half of the year. Yet they still won mid 90s. The game is depth. Dealing Betts will add a lot of depth, but whomever takes over needs to know how to build depth from within and the outside

 

I guess the key is to reload quickly enough to take advantage of having cost controlled players in Xander, Devers, Vaz, Chavis, Hernandez, Sale, Eovaldi, Price and E Rod.

 

I agree with pitching depth. You need pitching depth at major league level and also in the minors. We don't have any in our minor league system.

 

As I get older, I just want the Sox to have a legit shot at winning the World Series. It's not as easy as it looks. Just look at the Cubs. With money, Theo and Madden, they looked like a beginning of dynasty when they won the World Series a year EARLIER than some expected.

Baseball is still just a game.

 

Houston has done the best job in my opinion. They've added impact starting pitching to already talented and deep baseball team. Their window of opportunity is the longest of all contenders. LA to me owned NL but the team is just a very good vs AL teams.

 

I used to HATE the Yankees but no longer. Sox winning four titles has spoiled me. I'll be watching to see how the reset goes.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Nick

[Bellhorn04]

I was reviewing JD contract terms, if he opts-out he will be leaving "only" 60 millions on the table, including his opt-out buyout; looking at the terms, he's in a good position, he will be looking for a contract topping that number; I'm sure somebody will offer 3yrs/75Mill + an option depending on health or even 4 years straight up, it's a win-win for the Sox and JD, the Sox get their payroll flexibility and JD more money in FA

 

The only win for the Sox is a lower payroll. The team will be worse.

 

As for JD's payday, remember he only got 5 years at AAV 22 million when he was 2 years younger. Now he's 32.

[Jasonbay44]

I don’t get the people who are excited for JD/Mookie to be gone. Those are two fantastic players and losing them instantly makes us way worse

[Carpin]

The only win for the Sox is a lower payroll. The team will be worse.

 

As for JD's payday, remember he only got 5 years at AAV 22 million when he was 2 years younger. Now he's 32.

 

I hear you, but two years ago the "injury prone" label was attached to him, the Sox took a risk there and it worked for both.

[notin]

I hear you, but two years ago the "injury prone" label was attached to him, the Sox took a risk there and it worked for both.

 

And two years later, the "DH only" label is attached to him.

 

If he opts out this year, he loses money...

[notin]

I don’t get the people who are excited for JD/Mookie to be gone. Those are two fantastic players and losing them instantly makes us way worse

 

In no way will either be replaced with anything close to equal...

[Slasher9]

I don’t get the people who are excited for JD/Mookie to be gone. Those are two fantastic players and losing them instantly makes us way worse

 

mookie gets replaced by....mookie after next season.

[notin]

mookie gets replaced by....mookie after next season.

 

If they can keep him and achieve their financial goal, whatever it is, they should.

 

If JD opts out or gets traded, it is that much easier to keep Mookie and reset...

[notin]

I don’t get the people who are excited for JD/Mookie to be gone. Those are two fantastic players and losing them instantly makes us way worse

 

I'd rather see Eovaldi gone. But the only way that happens is if someone equally cumbersome comes back. The Sox won the wrong bidding war there...

[Nick]

I don’t get the people who are excited for JD/Mookie to be gone. Those are two fantastic players and losing them instantly makes us way worse

 

It starts with Henry wanting payroll to be below $208M when we had a payroll for luxury tax purposes of $240M or so.

 

Both Xander's and Sale's AAV will go up for 2020. If we extend Devers, our luxury tax payroll will also go up.

 

Hell, I want both JD and Betts to be back and sign some more free agent pitchers. I doubt if I'll get my wish.

 

$208M is NOT a rumor.

[moonslav59]

And two years later, the "DH only" label is attached to him.

 

If he opts out this year, he loses money...

 

Maybe the injury label is gone because he DH'd so much.