Mookie Betts: Trade or Extend

[Bellhorn04]

It is interesting that he was removed from an advertisement for the coming year while still under contract

 

Yeah I guess so. But needless to say there's been a huge amount of buzz about him being traded.

[jacksonianmarch]

Of course, but why remove him when he’s your best player and still under contract unless you’ve decided to deal him? He’s a huge draw and in advertising, you market your biggest draw

[notin]

It is interesting that he was removed from an advertisement for the coming year while still under contract

 

It just mans there are questions around his return, which we all know. The people putting together the promos know it’s possible he’s gone; they have to. Even I know that. But it doesn’t mean the Sox front office gave them a directive to keep him out.

 

The Sox don’t even know who the GM is. So knowing who goes and stays is certainly not etched in stone already. Heck, it’s entirely possible Mookie’s fate hinges on whether or not Martinez opts out...

[moonslav59]

I'm beginning to think this might be the best case scenario:

 

We trade or non tender JBJ.

 

JD does not opt out.

 

We trade JD (maybe with a little cash) for a decent young player with several years of team control (SP/RP/2B/defensive CF'er?)

 

Trade Workman & Wright (FA after 2020)

 

We trade Betts for several prospects, one that is very near ML ready (SP, 2B, CF?). By then, our farm should be top 12 to 18.

 

We easily reset the tax and play a bunch of kids next year to get an idea of what we got.

 

If Price or Sale need surgery, get it over with this winter.

 

Winter 2020-2021, we re-sign Betts and fill in other holes we might have with lower cost FAs on shorter term deals.

 

The 2021 Sox (not counting who we traded for):

SP: Sale, Price, ERod, Eovaldi, FA/Mata/Ward

RP: FA, DHern, Barnes, Taylor, Houck, Walden, Hembree, Feltman/Brasier

C: Vazquez, Centeno

1B: FA/Dalbec/Chavis/Travis/Ockimey

2B: FA/Chavis/Chatham/Marco/Pedey/Lin

3B: Devers (Dalbec)

SS: Bogaerts (Lin/Marco/Chatham)

LF: Benintendi (Travis)

CF: FA/Duran

RF: Betts, Wilson

DH: Chavis/Ockimey

 

This roster could be under the tax line.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 5, 2019 by moonslav59

[notin]

I think it will be even simpler.

 

I don’t think JD will opt out, since he’ll do better after 2020.

 

I do think Betts gets traded. Best landing spots IMO are the Mets and Phillies. But I expect another name or two to pop up.

 

I think the Sox offer arb to Barnes, Benintendi, Hembree and Workman.

 

I think the Sox make a couple simple FA signings, like Matt Adams, Hector Rondon. No really big deals here.

 

JBJ will either be traded or (more likely) non-tendered. So maybe sign someone like Juan Lagares or a trade for a cheap CF to replace Bradley without hitting the farm. Something like Marcus Walden for Brian Goodwin.

[moonslav59]

I think it will be even simpler.

 

I don’t think JD will opt out, since he’ll do better after 2020.

 

I do think Betts gets traded. Best landing spots IMO are the Mets and Phillies. But I expect another name or two to pop up.

 

I think the Sox offer arb to Barnes, Benintendi, Hembree and Workman.

 

I think the Sox make a couple simple FA signings, like Matt Adams, Hector Rondon. No really big deals here.

 

JBJ will either be traded or (more likely) non-tendered. So maybe sign someone like Juan Lagares or a trade for a cheap CF to replace Bradley without hitting the farm. Something like Marcus Walden for Brian Goodwin.

 

Not any "simpler" just lacking as many details.

 

Why keep JD, if we trade Betts?

 

Your FA signings sound about right.

[Jack Flap]

All I can say is that posters who think not caring about the payroll and luxury tax limitations is some kind of badge of honor, and belittle others for doing so, must find the last few years and the present situation awfully confusing, given the extent to which those things have demonstrably impacted and steered the team's behavior.

 

 

As for Betts, I have a hard time wrapping my mind around a possible trade. Given that we're trying to contend in 2020 (as we should be), to justify weakening the roster by removing its best player should require an overwhelming offer -- multiple controllable, impact major leaguers and/or can't-miss prospects -- and I have a hard time seeing any team giving that up for a rental, no matter how great he is. I doubt there are many teams out there who will need Betts next year more than the Red Sox, and short of a Godfather trade offer, I'll be happy taking the 7-10 WAR* in 2020 and the comp pick if things don't work out the following winter.

 

The ideal scenario, though, would be Mookie never putting on another uniform, which will continue to be my hope until the moment he's gone.

 

 

*Whenever someone says "We can't lose him for nothing!" I feel like they need to be reminded that Betts' likely 2020 production belongs in the conversation, and will be worth more than most prospects we could possibly acquire will ever be (and I love prospects!)..

[notin]

Not any "simpler" just lacking as many details.

 

Why keep JD, if we trade Betts?

 

Your FA signings sound about right.

 

 

Good question.

 

My thinking is you get more for Betts, ad if the goal is to reset, it becomes easier without Betts.

 

They could easily reverse those two. But the market for JD will certainly be more limited...

[notin]

All I can say is that posters who think not caring about the payroll and luxury tax limitations is some kind of badge of honor, and belittle others for doing so, must find the last few years and the present situation awfully confusing, given the extent to which those things have demonstrably impacted and steered the team's behavior.

 

 

As for Betts, I have a hard time wrapping my mind around a possible trade. Given that we're trying to contend in 2020 (as we should be), to justify weakening the roster by removing its best player should require an overwhelming offer -- multiple controllable, impact major leaguers and/or can't-miss prospects -- and I have a hard time seeing any team giving that up for a rental, no matter how great he is. I doubt there are many teams out there who will need Betts next year more than the Red Sox, and short of a Godfather trade offer, I'll be happy taking the 7-10 WAR* in 2020 and the comp pick if things don't work out the following winter.

 

The ideal scenario, though, would be Mookie never putting on another uniform, which will continue to be my hope until the moment he's gone.

 

 

*Whenever someone says "We can't lose him for nothing!" I feel like they need to be reminded that Betts' likely 2020 production belongs in the conversation, and will be worth more than most prospects we could possibly acquire will ever be (and I love prospects!)..

 

One year of Betts is not going to return anything equal to Betts in a trade. But a reset at least brings him back into play for 2021.

 

Per Sam Kennedy, “getting under [the first limit] is a goal, but not a mandate.” This does mean that one of Betts or Martinez is likely gone. Of course, the Sox might have no say in Martinez...

[notin]

I don’t see the Sox getting multiple topflight prospects or controllable Major Leaguers for Betts, at least not more than two.

 

My hope is if they trade him, the Phillies seem to be the best matchupfor prospects. The Braves and Dodgers are both stacked as well, but it’s hard to say if either will be interested, although both should be...

[Jack Flap]

One year of Betts is not going to return anything equal to Betts in a trade. But a reset at least brings him back into play for 2021.

 

Per Sam Kennedy, “getting under [the first limit] is a goal, but not a mandate.” This does mean that one of Betts or Martinez is likely gone. Of course, the Sox might have no say in Martinez...

 

 

Yeah, they'll never come out and call it a "mandate," but from Henry's comments, it sounded pretty f***ing close.

 

Trading Mookie Betts in a deal that isn't a clear win in baseball terms would probably be the last avenue I'd take to get under the limit, but I suppose it could indeed come to that.

 

Maybe we'll trade Betts to the Phillies and add (via FA) Cole Hamels, as it was foretold long ago...

[notin]

Yeah, they'll never come out and call it a "mandate," but from Henry's comments, it sounded pretty f***ing close.

 

Trading Mookie Betts in a deal that isn't a clear win in baseball terms would probably be the last avenue I'd take to get under the limit, but I suppose it could indeed come to that.

 

Maybe we'll trade Betts to the Phillies and add (via FA) Cole Hamels, as it was foretold long ago...

 

 

Yes, if Hamels was still any good.

 

A package from the Phillies would be something like RHP Adonis Medina (AA) and INF/OF Scott Kingery...

[moonslav59]

Good question.

 

My thinking is you get more for Betts, ad if the goal is to reset, it becomes easier without Betts.

 

They could easily reverse those two. But the market for JD will certainly be more limited...

 

We can easily reset without JD and JBJ. We can even sign a couple cheap FAs.

 

My point is that if we trade Betts, we'll have little chance at winning in 2020, so why not just trade JD, too. He'll opt out after 2020 anyways.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Mookie to Cubs for Rizzo strait up. Rizzo contract is 14 for a few .

JDM opts out

Get Scooter Genette for 2b yes reclamation but guy is worth a shot at Fenway .

promote Dalby for LF

I love Chavis he’s maybe my favorite young player besides Thad Ward in this organizing with that said ,I’m scared of ruining the kid .I have no clue where to play him .He looked very good at times at 1b and shakey at second ...he’s not a DH really because he hasn’t shown enough discipline at the plate and at times looks overmatched with the FB .I can’t trade this kid though he has something and it could be special ? Yet to be determined .

Benny this is it for Benny he has until July to prove himself .The power must be there or I’m trading the guy for Pitching .

Evoldi I take offers if we get any he’s way to risky

price the same I’m taking offers but we would need to eat a lot of it .

Sale .....I’m saying this seriously so don’t kill me .Sale is no Longer an Ace he’s great at times but our Ace is Erod now .Sale is for Sale this winter .

We must trade Mookie if he hesitates and Get a player under control like Rizzo who brings Plus pop and Star power we need that in Boston .

Flame away but if you see who I have for Sale and who I have as additions we can slash payroll considerably and rebuild .I still think we are a playoff team next year with a rebuild .Plenty of talent can be plugged in to Boston at a fraction of the price and get better results .

Edited October 5, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[notin]

Mookie to Cubs for Rizzo strait up. Rizzo contract is 14 for a few .

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Rizzo is in the last two years of his deal, both of which are team options. Both are $16.5 mill with $2mill buyouts.

 

Only gets on more year of a player, although it would lower payroll. Not sure the Cubs would be on board...

[notin]

We can easily reset without JD and JBJ. We can even sign a couple cheap FAs.

 

My point is that if we trade Betts, we'll have little chance at winning in 2020, so why not just trade JD, too. He'll opt out after 2020 anyways.

 

While trading Betts reduces the chances, I don't think it;s necessarily a white flag. Depends on what comes back and what other moves are made....

[Swiharts Ghost]

While trading Betts reduces the chances, I don't think it;s necessarily a white flag. Depends on what comes back and what other moves are made....

 

Well said Notin.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Rizzo is in the last two years of his deal, both of which are team options. Both are $16.5 mill with $2mill buyouts.

 

Only gets on more year of a player, although it would lower payroll. Not sure the Cubs would be on board...

Notin its Theo trust me he’s on board and so should we be .Heck extend Rizzo when time comes or trade the guy he’s an asset.

[moonslav59]

While trading Betts reduces the chances, I don't think it;s necessarily a white flag. Depends on what comes back and what other moves are made....

 

No matter what, JD is opting out after 2020. I can't see us keeping him - Betts or no Betts.

[Swiharts Ghost]

No matter what, JD is opting out after 2020. I can't see us keeping him - Betts or no Betts.

 

This is true Moon but can we be all on the Karma boat on him opting out In a few weeks please ? LMAO .I know your the captain at this point just rivin .

[notin]

No matter what, JD is opting out after 2020. I can't see us keeping him - Betts or no Betts.

 

I’ve been saying that for 2 years...

[moonslav59]

This is true Moon but can we be all on the Karma boat on him opting out In a few weeks please ? LMAO .I know your the captain at this point just rivin .

 

If he does opt out this winter, he'll regret it.

[d-money]

These contracts are getting ridiculous in baseball. I wanna keep betts but at a certain price.

[Oscars]

No matter what, JD is opting out after 2020. I can't see us keeping him - Betts or no Betts.

 

What about replacing JDM with free agent EE ( if his option is not picked up) ?

He is not as good a hitter but for half the price he would be good value

[Kimmi]

All I can say is that posters who think not caring about the payroll and luxury tax limitations is some kind of badge of honor, and belittle others for doing so, must find the last few years and the present situation awfully confusing, given the extent to which those things have demonstrably impacted and steered the team's behavior.

 

 

As for Betts, I have a hard time wrapping my mind around a possible trade. Given that we're trying to contend in 2020 (as we should be), to justify weakening the roster by removing its best player should require an overwhelming offer -- multiple controllable, impact major leaguers and/or can't-miss prospects -- and I have a hard time seeing any team giving that up for a rental, no matter how great he is. I doubt there are many teams out there who will need Betts next year more than the Red Sox, and short of a Godfather trade offer, I'll be happy taking the 7-10 WAR* in 2020 and the comp pick if things don't work out the following winter.

 

The ideal scenario, though, would be Mookie never putting on another uniform, which will continue to be my hope until the moment he's gone.

 

 

*Whenever someone says "We can't lose him for nothing!" I feel like they need to be reminded that Betts' likely 2020 production belongs in the conversation, and will be worth more than most prospects we could possibly acquire will ever be (and I love prospects!)..

 

Good post. I agree with the points that you made about Betts being traded. If anything, he will be traded midseason if the Sox don't look like they're going anywhere. I would also love for Mookie to retire in a Red Sox uniform, but I would not be willing to pay him what I think it will cost to keep him. That goes back to your first point, of how the contract would impact the team's future dealings.

[moonslav59]

What about replacing JDM with free agent EE ( if his option is not picked up) ?

He is not as good a hitter but for half the price he would be good value

 

I can certainly see something like that happening.

 

[harmony]

MLB Trade Rumors weighs in:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/10/looking-for-a-match-in-a-mookie-betts-trade.html#comments

[Swiharts Ghost]

MLB Trade Rumors weighs in:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/10/looking-for-a-match-in-a-mookie-betts-trade.html#comments

 

1 cubs

2.Dodgers if they don’t win it this year .

3.Atlanta

ask for a MLB player and Two top prospects .I prefer Rizzo from cubs and sign Genette .

 

infield of Devers ,Bogey ,Genette ,Rizzo seems like an exciting dynamic infield .

outfield of Benny ,Mookie ,....no clue who replaces JBJ .

Package Barnes and Price

[jacksonianmarch]

They’re not gonna deal years of Rizzo for a year of Betts

[moonslav59]

If we trade Betts, it won't be for one 2 year player.