A Realistic View at 2020: Part I

[moonslav59]

I laugh out loud every time someone uses his name as an adjective or verb. I loved him as a Red Sox, but it seems joining the Yankees didn't endear him to anyone.

 

I was thrilled when the Yankees signed him. That's not what turned me against Jacoby.

 

I went from being a big Jacoby defender into one of his biggest critics during his last years- much like Buchholz.

[Kimmi]

I agree, and there are a few players who have left money on the table to play in a particular city as well as retiring and leaving money behind. It's called "principles". I have a lot of respect for people like that. Unfortunately they're few and far between.

 

100% agree Dewey.

[Kimmi]

Yes, and I actually respect the guy, but he has this notion that the only way to rebuild is by using the failed Yankee model.

 

(Maybe, it's intentional.)

 

The 'Yankee' method is actually the Theo method.

 

Cashman took a page out of Theo's book.

[Kimmi]

Every team has a very limited window of opportunity now.

 

Doesn't have to be.

[moonslav59]

The 'Yankee' method is actually the Theo method.

 

Cashman took a page out of Theo's book.

 

He must have ripped out the pages on acquiring more than one ace.

 

Every time we got a second ace: we won a ring.

 

No Schilling- no ring. Pedro+ Schilling- ring.

 

No Beckett- no ring. Schilling + Beckett- ring.

 

No Lackey- no ring. Lester + Lackey- ring.

 

No Sale- no ring. Price + Sale- ring.

 

Maybe Cashman thought Severino & Tanaka were the equals of the pairs I just listed, but he was dead wrong.

[Kimmi]

He must have ripped out the pages on acquiring more than one ace.

 

Every time we got a second ace: we won a ring.

 

No Schilling- no ring. Pedro+ Schilling- ring.

 

No Beckett- no ring. Schilling + Beckett- ring.

 

No Lackey- no ring. Lester + Lackey- ring.

 

No Sale- no ring. Price + Sale- ring.

 

Maybe Cashman thought Severino & Tanaka were the equals of the pairs I just listed, but he was dead wrong.

 

Many of us said from day one that the Yankees rotation would be their downfall, then Cashman goes out and gets some more offense. LOL

 

It's not over for the Yankees yet, and I'm not going to count them out until they're out, but if the Yankees get knocked out, I predict an overreaction on acquiring starting pitching from the Yankees this offseason.

[notin]

Many of us said from day one that the Yankees rotation would be their downfall, then Cashman goes out and gets some more offense. LOL

 

It's not over for the Yankees yet, and I'm not going to count them out until they're out, but if the Yankees get knocked out, I predict an overreaction on acquiring starting pitching from the Yankees this offseason.

 

Gerrit Cole's teammates all think he is headed to the Angels or Dodgers. He's a So Cal native and a UCLA alum and the Angels desperately need pitchers with two working elbows...

[moonslav59]

Gorkys and Josh Smith clear waivers and were outrighted to Pawtucket.

 

Yipeee!

[Larry Cook]

Gerrit Cole's teammates all think he is headed to the Angels or Dodgers. He's a So Cal native and a UCLA alum and the Angels desperately need pitchers with two working elbows...

 

Really hoping the Yankees back up the brinks truck for this guy and outbid everybody in terms of years and dollars.

 

Cole’s shoulder is hanging by a thread.

[oldtimer]

Many of us said from day one that the Yankees rotation would be their downfall, then Cashman goes out and gets some more offense. LOL

 

It's not over for the Yankees yet, and I'm not going to count them out until they're out, but if the Yankees get knocked out, I predict an overreaction on acquiring starting pitching from the Yankees this offseason.

 

It's not Ovah til it's Ovah

[Bellhorn04]

Doesn't have to be.

 

There are more and more factors militating against sustained success, Kimmi.

 

High finishes = low draft position.

Limitations on international free agent spending.

Higher arbitration salaries.

Luxury tax.

 

Look at Theo and the Cubs.

[Bellhorn04]

Really hoping the Yankees back up the brinks truck for this guy and outbid everybody in terms of years and dollars.

 

Cole’s shoulder is hanging by a thread.

 

You know this how?

[jacksonianmarch]

You know this how?

 

I think he hit 100mph on his 100th pitch the other day. So, yeah, no. Stupid remark

[jacksonianmarch]

Gerrit Cole's teammates all think he is headed to the Angels or Dodgers. He's a So Cal native and a UCLA alum and the Angels desperately need pitchers with two working elbows...

 

I’ve heard rumors of the same. Listen, money talks. I wonder if Moreno is willing to back up the truck for him. I have no qualms if he goes to LA and spurns all others to be home. But if he goes to LA because they’re the highest bidder, I’ll lose my f***ing mind

[S5Dewey]

There are more and more factors militating against sustained success, Kimmi.

 

High finishes = low draft position.

Limitations on international free agent spending.

Higher arbitration salaries.

Luxury tax.

 

Look at Theo and the Cubs.

 

.... which is just the way MLB wants it. They call it "parity". They want to keep as many teams as possible in the race as late in the year as is possible to keep interest up and fannies in the seats. Follow the money.

 

It's not a bad thing for MLB but it's frustrating for fans of the Sox, Yankees, or any successful team knowing that the deck is stacked against their being able to sustain success.

[jacksonianmarch]

Parity gets you TB vs PHI in the WS like 11 years ago when literally NOBODY watched. It’s better for baseball when Boston, Chicago, NY, or LA are in the WS

[S5Dewey]

Parity gets you TB vs PHI in the WS like 11 years ago when literally NOBODY watched. It’s better for baseball when Boston, Chicago, NY, or LA are in the WS

 

Possibly in the short-term financial sense, but not for fans of TB or PHIL. The reaon "nobody watched" the TB/PHIL WS was because fans had no interest in those teams for any reason.

 

Many fans have gotten tired of the same teams doing all the winning. These fans will watch the WS just so they can see TBTMCB (The best team money can buy) lose. They want to see teams like Houston - who was an abysmal team just a few years ago - have a legitimate chance at a WSC. Everybody likes an underdog.

[moonslav59]

It's not Ovah til it's Ovah

 

Except when it's ovak- like it is.

[moonslav59]

Parity gets you TB vs PHI in the WS like 11 years ago when literally NOBODY watched. It’s better for baseball when Boston, Chicago, NY, or LA are in the WS

 

That's what the NBA figured out and now makes sure that never happens anymore.

[notin]

Parity gets you TB vs PHI in the WS like 11 years ago when literally NOBODY watched. It’s better for baseball when Boston, Chicago, NY, or LA are in the WS

 

I watched that series.

 

MLB, and really no sport, should just cater to certain fans. Leave that kind of bias to the NCAA...

[notin]

That's what the NBA figured out and now makes sure that never happens anymore.

 

Then why was Golden State (from OAKLAND) playing Cleveland in the finals every year?

 

The NBA should want an annual Lakers/Knicks final. And they’ve never had one...

[jacksonianmarch]

The best World Series’ of all time are either the clash of two titans or the underdog story up against the titan. When two underdogs go up against each other, the story fades and people lose interest. Super teams are what makes baseball great and watching them win or fail is a storyline that fits with our country’s entertainment expectations. Think about it.

 

Imagine if TB made it to the WS and faced the Brewers. There are no fans in TB. Milwaukee is a place where most Americans have never traveled to and are essentially stereotyped to beer, cheese and brat-land. Not a soul would watch outside of Milwaukee (there are no Rays fans, so TB doesn’t count).

 

Baseball is running into a declining fan base problem. As much as parity helped their growth of fan bases in the other 24 markets, having the Dodgers, Yankees, Angels, Mets, Red Sox, Cubs, or White Sox brings in an established, massive fan base and immediately increases viewership. That’s important in a game exceedingly being forgotten by the younger generations. Baseball ops got sick of seeing the Yanks win and geared rules entirely towards them and now it’s affecting the viewership. They need to lessen them again and let the big markets bring the fans back

[Bellhorn04]

.... which is just the way MLB wants it. They call it "parity". They want to keep as many teams as possible in the race as late in the year as is possible to keep interest up and fannies in the seats. Follow the money.

 

It's not a bad thing for MLB but it's frustrating for fans of the Sox, Yankees, or any successful team knowing that the deck is stacked against their being able to sustain success.

 

I mostly agree, but as Sox fans we can't really complain, because we still do have an advantage over teams like the Rays. We can spend about triple what they can on payroll.

[harmony]

Parity gets you TB vs PHI in the WS like 11 years ago when literally NOBODY watched. It’s better for baseball when Boston, Chicago, NY, or LA are in the WS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Series_television_ratings

 

Viewership was down significantly for last year's World Series between the Red Sox and Dodgers.

[notin]

.... which is just the way MLB wants it. They call it "parity". They want to keep as many teams as possible in the race as late in the year as is possible to keep interest up and fannies in the seats. Follow the money.

 

It's not a bad thing for MLB but it's frustrating for fans of the Sox, Yankees, or any successful team knowing that the deck is stacked against their being able to sustain success.

 

Wait. So are you saying it would be a good thing if MLB stacked the deck for the richer teams? Like they did all through the 1990’s and 2000’s?

 

The deck isn’t stacked against the Sox and Yankees just because they are forced to play under the same rules as everyone else...

[jacksonianmarch]

Wait. So are you saying it would be a good thing if MLB stacked the deck for the richer teams? Like they did all through the 1990’s and 2000’s?

 

The deck isn’t stacked against the Sox and Yankees just because they are forced to play under the same rules as everyone else...

 

MLB has stacked decks for years. They let players stack themselves with PEDs and it wasn’t until the national outcry that they listened. They allowed certain MLB teams to be farm systems for juggernauts in the middle of the 1900s. The MLB is about one thing, money. Not the game, but money. Otherwise, why the hell would they have playoff games on at a time when most kids are in bed? If they cared about the growth of the game, they’d have day playoff games. If they cared about viewership, they’d have less restrictive spending and less profit sharing from the bigger fam based teams. But they don’t. It bodes poorly for the future of the game

[notin]

MLB already has more parity than any other sport.

 

All teams win 40% of the time and lose 40% of the time, and the ones that don’t aren’t outside that range by much. That would be like the entire NFL finishing between 6-10 and 10-6 every year.

 

MLB also has more teams win titles than the NBA or NFL. The NBA in particular is pathetic in this regard, with only 10 different teams winning titles since 1974 and only 11 since 1962. MLB has had 10 different champions in what? The last 12 or 13 years?

[notin]

MLB has stacked decks for years. They let players stack themselves with PEDs and it wasn’t until the national outcry that they listened. They allowed certain MLB teams to be farm systems for juggernauts in the middle of the 1900s. The MLB is about one thing, money. Not the game, but money. Otherwise, why the hell would they have playoff games on at a time when most kids are in bed? If they cared about the growth of the game, they’d have day playoff games. If they cared about viewership, they’d have less restrictive spending and less profit sharing from the bigger fam based teams. But they don’t. It bodes poorly for the future of the game

 

 

Because not every child lives on the east coast?

[notin]

MLB has stacked decks for years. They let players stack themselves with PEDs and it wasn’t until the national outcry that they listened. They allowed certain MLB teams to be farm systems for juggernauts in the middle of the 1900s. The MLB is about one thing, money. Not the game, but money. Otherwise, why the hell would they have playoff games on at a time when most kids are in bed? If they cared about the growth of the game, they’d have day playoff games. If they cared about viewership, they’d have less restrictive spending and less profit sharing from the bigger fam based teams. But they don’t. It bodes poorly for the future of the game

 

1. They had day playoff games for years, but you’re only considering one coast. Want a 1pm game in NY? That’s a 10am game in LA.

 

2. I don’t think allowing richer teams to spend even more will grow the game outside of maybe in 3 or 4 cities. The small market teams are already at a spending handicap, and the way to expand interest isn’t to magnify it.

 

Want to grow the game? Keep everything in the CBA as is, but add a salary floor that prevents pocketing revenue. Install a program where revenue sharing can only be spent on free agency or signing bonuses, and if you don’t spend it, you lose it. In short, financial penalties for those who pocket money...

[Bellhorn04]

Because not every child lives on the east coast?

 

True, but close to half the U. S. population lives in the Eastern time zone.