Mets get Stroman

[jacksonianmarch]

Surprised. Definitely a WTF moment

[Bellhorn04]

So are they still looking to trade Thor or Wheeler?

[Bellhorn04]

It's a stunning development. I'm kind of glad he's not going to the Yanks. He could have really given them a boost. But I'm sure they'll get a good one from somewhere.

[Slasher9]

I think they will flip him

[a700hitter]

The cost seems reasonable.

[jacksonianmarch]

The cost was nothing. No top 100s, none are big league ready

[a700hitter]

Maybe DD can get Stroman and Thor from the Mets!!

[Fan_since_Boggs]

The Mets gave up two really good pitching prospects in Kay and Woods-Richardson. What is surprising about this deal is that no team made a better offer. The Yankees could have beaten this trade by offering Garcia and Gil.

 

According to reports this morning, the Yankees would not include Garcia in a trade for Stroman and I'm assuming those reports were accurate.

 

Cashman = prospect hugging and no World Series appearance this decade. Message to Steinbrenners: you need a better GM. This was a missed opportunity for the Yankees.

 

The Mets obviously plan to compete next year--no rebuild at all.

Edited July 28, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[jacksonianmarch]

The Mets gave up two really good pitching prospects in Kay and Woods-Richardson. What is surprising about this deal is that no team made a better offer. The Yankees could have beaten this trade by offering Garcia and Gil.

 

According to reports this morning, the Yankees would not include Garcia in a trade for Stroman and I'm assuming those reports were accurate.

 

Cashman = prospect hugging and no World Series appearance this decade. Message to Steinbrenners: you need a better GM. This was a missed opportunity for the Yankees.

 

The Mets obviously plan to compete next year--no rebuild at all.

 

He's not prospect hugging. The Mets gave up no top 100 prospects. Garcia is around 20-25 in nearly all publications. Gil is gonna be top 100 by end of year. No way Garcia and Gil is equivalent to what the Mets gave up

[Fan_since_Boggs]

No way Garcia and Gil is equivalent to what the Mets gave up

 

No s***. That's my point. If the Blue Jays accepted Kay and Woods-Richardson, they would have been more than happy to obtain Garcia and Gil instead. In other words, Cashman could have acquired Stroman but he is notoriously known for prospect hugging, even many Yankees fans admit that (just read a Yankees forum and see what some Yankees fans are saying about Cashman).

[iortiz]

I don’t understand this move. Mets ain’t going anywhere and Stroman as far as I know is FA next season isn’t he?

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Stroman is a free agent at the end of the 2020 season. The Mets are obviously going all in on the 2020 season. They have given up some nice prospects: Kelenic, Dunn, and now Kay and Woods-Richardson. That's 3 pretty good starting pitching prospects.

 

Good summary of the bind the Yankees are in:

 

The Yankees' preference is surely to get a good deal on the kind of ace that could stabilize their rotation for the stretch run and October. But that ship may have sailed. What aces are left have as much or more trade value than Stroman. And no thanks to their current rotation, the Yankees aren't sitting on a ton of leverage.

 

All this is to say that they're in a bind, all right. Somehow, some way, they're going to have to get out of it.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2847480-mets-marcus-stroman-trade-escalates-yankees-desperation-for-season-saving-ace

[moonslav59]

Stroman is a free agent at the end of the 2020 season. The Mets are obviously going all in on the 2020 season. They have given up some nice prospects: Kelenic, Dunn, and now Kay and Woods-Richardson. That's 3 pretty good starting pitching prospects.

 

Good summary of the bind the Yankees are in:

 

If the Mets trade Noah, it's not about 2020.

[bkzwhitestrican]

I still don't get how the Mets are always such s*** despite having one of the best rotations in baseball annually. Adding Stroman seems like a good move but it's the Mets, so I anticipate him losing a hand in the ball retrieval machine at a bowling alley.

[Slasher9]

I still don't get how the Mets are always such s*** despite having one of the best rotations in baseball annually. Adding Stroman seems like a good move but it's the Mets, so I anticipate him losing a hand in the ball retrieval machine at a bowling alley.

 

thats pretty good.

[dgalehouse]

It will be interesting to see what the Mets do in the next two days . The N.L. wild card race is wide open , so maybe they think they still have a shot . Anyway , it looks like Cashman was beaten to the punch again .

[Fan_since_Boggs]

It will be interesting to see what the Mets do in the next two days . The N.L. wild card race is wide open , so maybe they think they still have a shot . Anyway , it looks like Cashman was beaten to the punch again .

 

+1

 

Cashman is always looking to squeeze the other team out of a good player without giving up much of anything. We can safely assume that was his goal with the Blue Jays and Stroman. He probably wanted to acquire Stroman by dumping C.Frazier on the Blue Jays, but poor fielding corner outfielders have limited value and the Blue Jays wanted pitching. Cashman is now in a bad spot--let's see if he can find a way out and acquire a quality SP.

 

If Cashman wasn't such a bimbo, he would have included D.Garcia in a trade for Stroman. Sometimes you have to "go for it" and this is one of those years for the Yankees. Cashman could learn a thing or two from Dombrowski who decided to "go for it" when he dealt high end prospects for Kimbrel and Sale. How did that work out for the Red Sox? I seem to remember it working out pretty well last season when the Red Sox went 11-3 in the postseason including a series where they kicked the living crap out of the Yankees.

Edited July 29, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[notin]

If the Mets trade Noah, it's not about 2020.

 

... which makes the acquisition of Cano even more perplexing...

[notin]

Yankees could inquire about Boyd. But he will cost much more than Stroman...

[jacksonianmarch]

+1

 

Cashman is always looking to squeeze the other team out of a good player without giving up much of anything. We can safely assume that was his goal with the Blue Jays and Stroman. He probably wanted to acquire Stroman by dumping C.Frazier on the Blue Jays, but poor fielding corner outfielders have limited value and the Blue Jays wanted pitching. Cashman is now in a bad spot--let's see if he can find a way out and acquire a quality SP.

 

If Cashman wasn't such a bimbo, he would have included D.Garcia in a trade for Stroman. Sometimes you have to "go for it" and this is one of those years for the Yankees. Cashman could learn a thing or two from Dombrowski who decided to "go for it" when he dealt high end prospects for Kimbrel and Sale. How did that work out for the Red Sox? I seem to remember it working out pretty well last season when the Red Sox went 11-3 in the postseason including a series where they kicked the living crap out of the Yankees.

 

You're such a troll

[jacksonianmarch]

Yankees could inquire about Boyd. But he will cost much more than Stroman...

 

I think the Stroman question was whether he was as good as he had been to this point. Last year, Stroman threw to a 5+ERA with nearly the same peripherals. Heck, last year, his xFIP was better than this season's. My guess is the Jays either didn't want to face Stroman in division or they added a premium to Stroman that they didn't offer to the Mets. I have a very hard time thinking the Yankees offer didn't top the pitchers sent to the Mets. That package, while not terrible, is not an elite package and one that including Frazier should have sufficed. I doubt we go for Boyd. Yes, he is a big boy. Yes, his K totals are insane. But he has been trending in the wrong direction for awhile now. 15HR in his last 10 starts, ERA's of 5.90 and 4.70 the last two months after an elite April and May. He also isn't a prototypical power pitcher, which means we would be getting a better JA Happ. I'm okay with that if the acquisition cost wasn't huge, but getting Boyd will cost a metric ton and we have enough in the arsenal to pry away maybe one big fish. I am not sure if this guy is the one. I would rather get Minor for less prospects than get Boyd for more.

[notin]

+1

 

Cashman is always looking to squeeze the other team out of a good player without giving up much of anything. We can safely assume that was his goal with the Blue Jays and Stroman. He probably wanted to acquire Stroman by dumping C.Frazier on the Blue Jays, but poor fielding corner outfielders have limited value and the Blue Jays wanted pitching. Cashman is now in a bad spot--let's see if he can find a way out and acquire a quality SP.

 

If Cashman wasn't such a bimbo, he would have included D.Garcia in a trade for Stroman. Sometimes you have to "go for it" and this is one of those years for the Yankees. Cashman could learn a thing or two from Dombrowski who decided to "go for it" when he dealt high end prospects for Kimbrel and Sale. How did that work out for the Red Sox? I seem to remember it working out pretty well last season when the Red Sox went 11-3 in the postseason including a series where they kicked the living crap out of the Yankees.

 

Reportedly the wishlist for the Yankees to acquire Stroman was significantly better than what they settled for. Call it a Division Tax, if you will.

 

No idea what the Mets are doing. Buy Cano! Sell Kelenic and Dunn! Buy Stroman! Sell Syndergaard and Diaz! Sell Wheeler!

 

You can drop your transmission right out of your car changing gears that quickly and that often...

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Reportedly the wishlist for the Yankees to acquire Stroman was significantly better than what they settled for. Call it a Division Tax, if you will.

 

Maybe to some extent. But if the Yankees included D.Garcia, I think the Blue Jays take the Yankees offer. The problem with the Yankees offer: once you take Garcia out of it, the Mets deal is better because the Yankees system is very thin outside of Garcia. That is, the Blue Jays wanted pitching and Gil and some lesser guy doesn't beat an offer of Kay and Woods-Richardson. Garcia was a necessary component of the deal in order to top the Mets offer but Cashman wouldn't include Garcia.

Edited July 30, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[jacksonianmarch]

Maybe to some extent. But if the Yankees included D.Garcia, I think the Blue Jays take the Yankees offer. The problem with the Yankees offer: once you take Garcia out of it, the Mets deal is better because the Yankees system is very thin outside of Garcia. The Blue Jays wanted pitching and Gil and some lesser guy doesn't beat an offer of Kay and Woods-Richardson. Garcia was a necessary component of the deal in order to top the Mets offer but Cashman wouldn't include Garcia.

 

You know nothing of the Yankee system, so you're pulling s*** out of your ass again. You're a troll

[notin]

You know nothing of the Yankee system, so you're pulling s*** out of your ass again. You're a troll

 

Other than not including Garcia, we don’t know what Toronto asked for yet.

 

But sometimes a team will focus solely on one prospect/player, and if they don’t get their guy, they move on without looking at secondary packages. Like Pittsburgh did when the Yankees wouldn’t include Torres (I believe) for Cole...

[Carpin]

Other than not including Garcia, we don’t know what Toronto asked for yet.

 

But sometimes a team will focus solely on one prospect/player, and if they don’t get their guy, they move on without looking at secondary packages. Like Pittsburgh did when the Yankees wouldn’t include Torres (I believe) for Cole...

 

I get your point, probably that's the reason most trades never go thru

 

BTW, I believe the Astros were asking for Andujar

[Fan_since_Boggs]

That's correct, I believe the Pirates wanted Andujar (not Torres) but Brian Cashman, Jackson's hero in life, was too busy prospect hugging to trade Andujar for Cole. Another Brian Cashman misstep with the starting pitching.

[notin]

I get your point, probably that's the reason most trades never go thru

 

BTW, I believe the Astros were asking for Andujar

 

If that’s true, then Cashman dropped the ball.

 

Andujar was certainly a nice source of RHH power, but to pass on a potential TOR starter with multiple years of control in order to hold on to a defensively limited 1b/DH type strikes me as a bad non-move.

 

The Yankees could have replaced Andujar with the money spent on Happ much more efficiently than the struggle they will have trying to replace what Cole would have brought. And they did, with LeMahieu.

 

But hey, hindsight is 20/20...

[Bellhorn04]

If the Yankees do not land a quality starter, Cashman is going to be taking some serious heat from NYY media and fans.

[notin]

If the Yankees do not land a quality starter, Cashman is going to be taking some serious heat from NYY media and fans.

 

This is true.

 

But I think they get Boyd or Ray...