Xander Bogaerts is going to the All Star game

[TylerD]

Just got the update from TSN on my phone. Thank god. I was ready to call MLB head office and say "LOOK IT! fans are stupid, put this man in." Anyway no need now.... He made it....

 

I'm bored at work..... and hungry.

 

The end.

[southpaw777]

He absolutely deserves it. It would be a shame for him to get snubbed....like Devers and Vaz.

[YastrzemskI]

Just got the update from TSN on my phone. Thank god. I was ready to call MLB head office and say "LOOK IT! fans are stupid, put this man in." Anyway no need now.... He made it....

 

I'm bored at work..... and hungry.

 

The end.

 

I may be in the minority on here but this sort of thing never bothered me as a fan. The players most likely

feel much differently. Oh I know how it's fun and about tradition and respect. I would just hate to see

that respect turn into a ridiculous injury for no reason whatsoever. These kids try to show off sometimes.

To borrow a Magic Johnson term.. It's "Showtime" right? I used to love the MLB all star games/HR derby as

a kid. Now I see it as almost a hurdle until the regular season resumes. It's nice that Bogart got some

recognition though. well deserved.. But as far as I know, Devers didn't make it which is absurd.

[TylerD]

Agreed with both of you, Devers not making it is absolutely ridiculous. But it's definitely a popularity contest. I don't think opposing fans know who Devers is. Guys like Mookie will make it before he does because of his name. Same with the NFL. Rodgers is voted to the Pro Bowl every year even if he sucks which he did last year and the year before and had injuries. The way it is.

[YastrzemskI]

Agreed with both of you, Devers not making it is absolutely ridiculous. But it's definitely a popularity contest. I don't think opposing fans know who Devers is. Guys like Mookie will make it before he does because of his name. Same with the NFL. Rodgers is voted to the Pro Bowl every year even if he sucks which he did last year and the year before and had injuries. The way it is.

 

I wouldn't lump Devers in with someone like Rodgers just yet, but I agree with the "popularity contest" nonsense. Let's just make sure our core guys stay healthy. That's what is really important.. no setbacks.

[Kimmi]

I wouldn't lump Devers in with someone like Rodgers just yet, but I agree with the "popularity contest" nonsense. Let's just make sure our core guys stay healthy. That's what is really important.. no setbacks.

 

I would prefer that none of our guys participated in the All Star Game, and took the time to rest instead. That said, it really is a mockery that Bogaerts (initially), Devers, and Vazquez didn't make the team.

 

Fans are voting for their favorite players. That's fine, but then it shouldn't be called the "All Star Game".

 

Let the stat geeks vote.

[jacksonianmarch]

I would prefer that none of our guys participated in the All Star Game, and took the time to rest instead. That said, it really is a mockery that Bogaerts (initially), Devers, and Vazquez didn't make the team.

 

Fans are voting for their favorite players. That's fine, but then it shouldn't be called the "All Star Game".

 

Let the stat geeks vote.

 

100% agree. I don't want any of the Yanks to play in the ASG. Its just another opportunity for injury. Let them rest

[bkzwhitestrican]

Aaron Rodgers' bad years are still better than most other QBs best years.

 

4400 passing yards, 25 TDs, 2 INTs, 97.6 passer rating (also almost 300 rushing yards and 2 rushing TDs).

[Maxbialystock]

To me it's stunning and a huge injustice that Bogie was a complete also-ran in the ASG voting. He is easily the most valuable SS in the American League on hitting alone. He does not have great range, but has proven to be very consistent and certainly dedicated to being a solid defensive player. He has the highest WAR among AL shortstops. How important is WAR? Recently (5 years? more?), MVP voting by I think sportswriters has been heavily influenced by WAR ratings.

 

Kimmi and jacksonianmarch have touched on an interesting phenomenon. More and more fans are beginning to think the ASG only endangers the best players. I disagree if only because the ASG is what creates that much-needed break in a very long and increasingly hot MLB season. Plus I think these days you can get quality baseball from ASG players without their risking injury.

 

MLB went to fan voting to generate fan enthusiasm, but I think that has run its course. As a minimum, the fan vote should count less and players/coaches/managers vote count at least half.

[Kimmi]

To me it's stunning and a huge injustice that Bogie was a complete also-ran in the ASG voting. He is easily the most valuable SS in the American League on hitting alone. He does not have great range, but has proven to be very consistent and certainly dedicated to being a solid defensive player. He has the highest WAR among AL shortstops. How important is WAR? Recently (5 years? more?), MVP voting by I think sportswriters has been heavily influenced by WAR ratings.

 

Kimmi and jacksonianmarch have touched on an interesting phenomenon. More and more fans are beginning to think the ASG only endangers the best players. I disagree if only because the ASG is what creates that much-needed break in a very long and increasingly hot MLB season. Plus I think these days you can get quality baseball from ASG players without their risking injury.

 

MLB went to fan voting to generate fan enthusiasm, but I think that has run its course. As a minimum, the fan vote should count less and players/coaches/managers vote count at least half.

 

I am not so much concerned with the players getting injured, though that is always a possibility, as I am with the players just getting some much needed time off. The ASG usually requires extra travel and a lot of fanfare, which seems like it would be exhausting.

 

I have no problem with letting the fans vote for the players they want to see play, but call it a "Fan Favorite Game" or something along those lines. IMO, and All Star Game should have this season's to date best players.

[TylerD]

Aaron Rodgers' bad years are still better than most other QBs best years.

 

4400 passing yards, 25 TDs, 2 INTs, 97.6 passer rating (also almost 300 rushing yards and 2 rushing TDs).

 

Those stats are way padded. Go back and watch some of his games. Rodgers is good..... DAMN good but the point I am trying to make is he makes the Pro Bowl based off his name rather than his play. His interceptions were down because most of his throws were 10 yards or shorter.... There is a reason why the Packers were ranked 13th in offense. They were very very average last year and Rodgers was missing on a lot of throws he normally doesn't miss on. I have a few friends that were frustrated with Rodgers last year saying he wasn't making the tight throws he normally does to give his team a chance at a first down or scoring... Which is another reason he didn't have many interceptions. If you don't throw the ball in tight windows for a play good chance it wont be picked off.... Also a reason why the Packers finished with 6 wins.

 

There is a reason why 5 of the 10 losses the Packers had they only managed to score 17 points and the other 5 losses were 24 or less. If Rodgers was as good as those stats show Green Bay would have been nearly undefeated.

Edited July 4, 2019 by TylerD

[Swiharts Ghost]

The All stars should be announced and no game played period .Money grab is all it is .All star games mean s*** now and I miss when they meant something .

[moonslav59]

Those stats are way padded. Go back and watch some of his games. Rodgers is good..... DAMN good but the point I am trying to make is he makes the Pro Bowl based off his name rather than his play. His interceptions were down because most of his throws were 10 yards or shorter.... There is a reason why the Packers were ranked 13th in offense. They were very very average last year and Rodgers was missing on a lot of throws he normally doesn't miss on. I have a few friends that were frustrated with Rodgers last year saying he wasn't making the tight throws he normally does to give his team a chance at a first down or scoring... Which is another reason he didn't have many interceptions. If you don't throw the ball in tight windows for a play good chance it wont be picked off.... Also a reason why the Packers finished with 6 wins.

 

There is a reason why 5 of the 10 losses the Packers had they only managed to score 17 points and the other 5 losses were 24 or less. If Rodgers was as good as those stats show Green Bay would have been nearly undefeated.

 

The team around Rodgers was horrible. I watched every game. I am a Packer fan. He had no O line, and their defense was very bad. Injuries made them even worse.

 

Rodgers has consistently been a top 3 QB every year. He's top 10 or 15 all time.

[YastrzemskI]

The team around Rodgers was horrible. I watched every game. I am a Packer fan. He had no O line, and their defense was very bad. Injuries made them even worse.

 

Rodgers has consistently been a top 3 QB every year. He's top 10 or 15 all time.

 

I have him ranked higher than Favre. But we’re digressing here. He’s at the bottom of the top ten all time imo. It wasn’t just the D last year. He was consistently missing on throws routine throws.

[TylerD]

The team around Rodgers was horrible. I watched every game. I am a Packer fan. He had no O line, and their defense was very bad. Injuries made them even worse.

 

Rodgers has consistently been a top 3 QB every year. He's top 10 or 15 all time.

 

I watched 11 of the 16 games last year. He had a bad O line I will give you that and maybe that is what rattled him but some of his passes were flat out awful. The Patriots game comes to mind. The second half he couldn't hit the backside of a house. I'm sure it wasn't all his fault as the O line can definitely hurt a QB's confidence (though Peyton Manning did well with one of the worst O lines in NFL in 2010) And same with Luck, regardless.... Rodgers will rebound but my point still stands. He would make the Pro Bowl even if he had an average year last year which he did regardless what the stats say. It's just a popularity vote.

Edited July 4, 2019 by TylerD

[TylerD]

The team around Rodgers was horrible. I watched every game. I am a Packer fan. He had no O line, and their defense was very bad. Injuries made them even worse.

 

Rodgers has consistently been a top 3 QB every year. He's top 10 or 15 all time.

 

Also I definitely disagree about last year. Maybe up until the last couple years Rodgers has been a top 3 QB but last year I put Brady, Brees, Rivers, Luck, Mahomes (even though I don't like Mahomes) and maybe Goff ahead of Rodgers.... Though Goff went downhill the second stretch of the season so it's close. It's hard to tell how much better Rodgers would have been with a solid O-line... But the O line wasn't solid and the Packers struggled to put up more than 17 points in a lot of the games so have to go off the facts. His picks were down compared to the rest but he wasn't slinging the ball like he normally does and trying to make ridiculous plays. Almost like his confidence was shot after missing a chunk of the 2017 season which definitely happens to players.

[bkzwhitestrican]

I am also a GB fan and watched every game last season. Rodgers definitely had a bad year by his own standards and was missing a lot of easy passes. But let's not forget he basically tore something in his knee week 1 against the bears and still played the whole year, behind a poor o-line (outside of bakhtiari and linsley) and throwing to an awesome davante adams + washed up jimmy graham and a bunch of 6th round rookies. These are all excuses sure, but even with all these factors he still managed what most other QBs would consider a good year.

[TylerD]

I am also a GB fan and watched every game last season. Rodgers definitely had a bad year by his own standards and was missing a lot of easy passes. But let's not forget he basically tore something in his knee week 1 against the bears and still played the whole year, behind a poor o-line (outside of bakhtiari and linsley) and throwing to an awesome davante adams + washed up jimmy graham and a bunch of 6th round rookies. These are all excuses sure, but even with all these factors he still managed what most other QBs would consider a good year.

 

Agreed, and with a decent team and healthy I am sure he would have done a lot better. Luck under a brutal O line and injuries also wasn't that great in 2016. Happens to the best of them, my original point though is guys like Rodgers, Brees, Brady will always get in the Pro Bowl by their popularity no matter how bad a season they have.

[iortiz]

He’s easily the best SS in baseball and wasn’t even considered in the bench. Unbelievable.

[S5Dewey]

He’s easily the best SS in baseball and wasn’t even considered in the bench. Unbelievable.

 

Equally unbelievable, he was also the SS on the WSC team. And he doesn't get consideration???

[iortiz]

Equally unbelievable, he was also the SS on the WSC team. And he doesn't get consideration???

 

Sometimes fans don’t make justice to the best players.

[bkzwhitestrican]

What's all this Bogaerts talk, I thought this was the Aaron Rodgers thread

[TylerD]

What's all this Bogaerts talk, I thought this was the Aaron Rodgers thread

 

Lol I demand this thread name be changed.

[Kimmi]

What's all this Bogaerts talk, I thought this was the Aaron Rodgers thread

 

LOL Well played.

[Kimmi]

Technically, justice still hasn't been served to Bogaerts. Making it into the ASG as an injury replacement isn't really 'justice'.