Henry not looking to add much payroll

[jacksonianmarch]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/06/bosox-owner-john-henry-were-not-going-to-be-looking-to-add-a-lot-of-payroll-at-deadline.html

 

I know in the article, they cite the Sox being over the final threshold already, but I think they’re wrong.

[Bellhorn04]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/06/bosox-owner-john-henry-were-not-going-to-be-looking-to-add-a-lot-of-payroll-at-deadline.html

 

I know in the article, they cite the Sox being over the final threshold already, but I think they’re wrong.

 

There are large differences between the luxury tax payroll numbers this Roster Resource guy produces and the ones Cot's Contracts produces. It's rather annoying.

 

I'm quite sure the Red Sox are not at $251 million already. It's about $240 million per Cot's.

[Slasher9]

i dont think JH dips into his wallet for 1 more penny on this years team. especially since they embarrassed him in London.

[notin]

It was interesting to read him say it wasn’t always wise to bring back the same team. Did he forget about 2014?

[Bellhorn04]

It was interesting to read him say it wasn’t always wise to bring back the same team. Did he forget about 2014?

 

No, he did refer to 2014.

 

It's not always disastrous to bring back the same team. The 2008 team came close to going back to back with no changes.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Probably one of the most noteworthy points in the article:

 

The Sox have roughly $100MM committed to players who have combined for only +0.6 fWAR in 2019

 

It's hard to win when almost half your payroll is contributing nothing.

[a700hitter]

[h=2]BoSox Owner John Henry: “We’re Not Going To Be Looking To Add A Lot Of Payroll” This Season[/h]

Henry is putting the responsibility for not making the playoffs squarely on Cora.

[notin]

Probably one of the most noteworthy points in the article:

 

The Sox have roughly $100MM committed to players who have combined for only +0.6 fWAR in 2019

 

It's hard to win when almost half your payroll is contributing nothing.

 

Does that figure include Castillo?

[Bellhorn04]

Henry is putting the responsibility for not making the playoffs squarely on Cora.

 

I thought he might be taking a few pokes at Dombrowski for essentially bringing back the same team.

[Bellhorn04]

Does that figure include Castillo?

 

Yes.

[moonslav59]

Henry is putting the responsibility for not making the playoffs squarely on Cora.

 

I see it as more on DD.

 

Top payroll: poor winter choices.

[Bellhorn04]

I see it as more on DD.

 

Top payroll: poor winter choices.

 

Well, he is also saying the talent is there and the team needs to play better. That's on the players and on Cora as well.

[jung]

Actually I think Henry is trying to dampen expectations regarding spending which to some extent takes DD off the hook. The performance on the field falls to the Manager, Coaches and Players.

[Bellhorn04]

Actually I think Henry is trying to dampen expectations regarding spending which to some extent takes DD off the hook. The performance on the field falls to the Manager, Coaches and Players.

 

He kind of said a lot in a few words, without explicitly throwing anyone under the bus. Pretty well done, really.

[TylerD]

We don’t need to add much. Jesus why do people think we need to add a bunch. The starting rotation stays as is. Sale, Price, Porcello, E-Rod are fine. Wright is pitching now. Once we get Eovaldi back. Maybe we need a couple relievers that’s it. The offense did more than their part this weekend to win and the bullpen blew it completely. We beat Minnesota earlier and if not for a collapse in game two would have swept them. Add a couple relievers and we are fine. No need to make “BIG CHANGES”

[notin]

I think he put the biggest onus on Thunder...

[Station 13]

These relievers are who they are. They have zero track record. your top 2 reliever is a 30 year old rookie Walden. Your highest paid reliever is Tyler Thornburg. If that is not half-assing the offseason, then what is. Refusing to pay Kimbrel is stupid if they paid Pearce who was more of non starter. That was an emotional signing a 37 year old. Now they sure will overpay if they want a closer, rather than just pay market for Kimbrel.

[kenmeister]

If you can’t add payroll then a trade is still an option. I can’t think of a trade that makes the team better though.

[a700hitter]

I see it as more on DD.

 

Top payroll: poor winter choices.

IDK how anyone can read that into it. If anything, his statement is an endorsement of DD by saying that the talent is there to easily make the playoffs.

[Bellhorn04]

IDK how anyone can read that into it. If anything, his statement is an endorsement of DD by saying that the talent is there to easily make the playoffs.

 

Here's the part that seems to be directed toward DD:

 

“My take is that maybe it isn’t the best thing in the world to bring back the same team in its entirety every time,” Henry said. “You don’t want to break a team down. But maybe a few changes wouldn’t hurt. But the feeling is always different after you win, apparently.”

[a700hitter]

Here's the part that seems to be directed toward DD:

 

“My take is that maybe it isn’t the best thing in the world to bring back the same team in its entirety every time,” Henry said. “You don’t want to break a team down. But maybe a few changes wouldn’t hurt. But the feeling is always different after you win, apparently.”

It could be a little shade thrown on DD, but it could be also a threat to the team that some changes might be made. Maybe he is spotting the same complacency that many of us have noticed. The bottom line is he is convinced that there is plenty of talent to "easily" make the playoffs clearly throwing the onus and responsibility on Cora and the players.

[TylerD]

These relievers are who they are. They have zero track record. your top 2 reliever is a 30 year old rookie Walden. Your highest paid reliever is Tyler Thornburg. If that is not half-assing the offseason, then what is. Refusing to pay Kimbrel is stupid if they paid Pearce who was more of non starter. That was an emotional signing a 37 year old. Now they sure will overpay if they want a closer, rather than just pay market for Kimbrel.

 

Brewer has been good. That’s about it lol.

[Station 13]

Brewer has been good. That’s about it lol.

 

Really further the point, what is even this pen? Throw a bunch of s*** together to make a turd sandwich?

[TylerD]

Really further the point, what is even this pen? Throw a bunch of s*** together to make a turd sandwich?

 

If Wright stays in the pen. We have him and Brewer. No idea what’s happened to Barnes. He used to be solid outside of closing. Now he seems to be trash everywhere. Maybe his confidence is gone. But we could have had 3 decent relievers and then make a splash to get a couple more and we would be set. But Barnes has sucked so we need at least 2 or 3 relievers now. And still someone who can close.

[dgalehouse]

I think John Henry was basically saying, " How much money do you expect me to spend on this team ? " Note to Mr. Henry : John , many fans feel the same way about the ticket and concession prices at Fenway .

[moonslav59]

IDK how anyone can read that into it. If anything, his statement is an endorsement of DD by saying that the talent is there to easily make the playoffs.

 

One could easily say that DD spent on the wrong talent, and he won't be given more money to fix his mistakes.

 

We can "read into" it either way.

 

Can anyone deny that our pen was never "talented" on paper, and expecting Cora to make it so was not realistic.

 

IMO, Cora got the pen to over perform for the first 6-8 weeks of the season, and now reality is setting in. That's on DD.

 

Also, how can Cora be blamed for the performances of our starters, even after the first two weeks and the whole "restgate" period expired?

 

Our starters have been way to inconsistent at a time when we needed them to take some heat off the pen.

[moonslav59]

I think John Henry was basically saying, " How much money do you expect me to spend on this team ? " Note to Mr. Henry : John , many fans feel the same way about the ticket and concession prices at Fenway .

 

True.

 

I also think Henry is right to demand better from DD and Cora. Counting all the dead money (Pablo & Castillo), he has spent way more than any other GM. Asking him to throw more money at the problem is neglecting the real problem and actually making it worse by allowing DD to think he can just spend his way out of any problems that arise out of signing the wrong free agents and emptying the farm of any true, quality reserves.

 

[moonslav59]

If Wright stays in the pen. We have him and Brewer. No idea what’s happened to Barnes. He used to be solid outside of closing. Now he seems to be trash everywhere. Maybe his confidence is gone. But we could have had 3 decent relievers and then make a splash to get a couple more and we would be set. But Barnes has sucked so we need at least 2 or 3 relievers now. And still someone who can close.

 

Pretty sad, when Wright, Brewer and Workman are the only three pen guys we can have any confidence in, right now.

[TylerD]

Pretty sad, when Wright, Brewer and Workman are the only three pen guys we can have any confidence in, right now.

 

Agreed. Used to be Barnes. He’s ruined now.

[Slasher9]

I see it as more on DD.

 

Top payroll: poor winter choices.

 

but zero yuuuuge contracts were available to be signed by the Sox this past offseason. yes, they spent some on Eovaldi but we needed another starter anyways. the $6mil on Pearce was f***ing weird but its not like that was enough to go crazy on the FA market. our team and payroll was pretty much locked up before the offseason even began. this falls squarely on WTF shoulders.