Sox Trade Targets

[moonslav59]

At the trade deadline three years ago the Los Angeles Dodgers acquired reliever Josh Fields from the Houston Astros for 19-year-old Yordan Alvarez, who was about six months younger than Triston Casas' current age.

 

https://therunnersports.com/yordan-alvarez-for-josh-fields-trade-threatens-to-top-astros-jeff-bagwell-steal-of-1990/

 

It's always a gamble.

 

Of course it is, but my point is we can get a very good RP'er or two for way less than Casas.

 

Where were the 3 guys we traded for Reed ranked? (Hint: all below 150 for sure.)

[d-money]

I would trade for a starting pitcher and have eovaldi come out the pen.

[jacksonianmarch]

I would trade for a starting pitcher and have eovaldi come out the pen.

 

If the sox are still in this thing come the middle of next month, I do expect this to be the plan. I know everyone is touting the pen, but I bet DD has his eye on a starter

[moonslav59]

I would trade for a starting pitcher and have eovaldi come out the pen.

 

A solid SP'er will cost way more than a solid RP'er.

 

Eovaldi may not come back, so we'd still have 1-2 holes in the pen.

 

[d-money]

A solid SP'er will cost way more than a solid RP'er.

 

Eovaldi may not come back, so we'd still have 1-2 holes in the pen.

 

 

Depends on the pitcher. Also have to take into the account the contract.

[jacksonianmarch]

A solid SP'er will cost way more than a solid RP'er.

 

Eovaldi may not come back, so we'd still have 1-2 holes in the pen.

 

 

With the logjam in the wild card standings, you cannot afford to get 3 innings from your starter and be down a few runs. If Eo cannot come back as a starter, you're getting a starter.

[devildavid]

It's a crap shoot.

 

The Red Sox hit the jackpot last year with the midseason acquisitions of Steve Pearce and Nathan Eovaldi, who overperformed for the Sox in 2018 before plummeting back to Earth this season.

 

You call getting injured 'plummeting back to Earth'?

 

Both signings were a gamble. Neither player has a track record suggesting that they would continue their amazing postseason performances. I really didn't think they would sign Pearce. The Eovaldi signing made a bit more sense, but they knew of his physical issues. I now think both signings were mistakes, and they should have looked at other areas to improve, like the bullpen. They probably just caught lightning in a bottle. I love what both of them did to win the team a championship, but realistically you can't expect to duplicate it with those players.

[Bellhorn04]

Both signings were a gamble. Neither player has a track record suggesting that they would continue their amazing postseason performances. I really didn't think they would sign Pearce. The Eovaldi signing made a bit more sense, but they knew of his physical issues. I now think both signings were mistakes, and they should have looked at other areas to improve, like the bullpen. They probably just caught lightning in a bottle. I love what both of them did to win the team a championship, but realistically you can't expect to duplicate it with those players.

 

And if Eovaldi and Pearce get healthy and perform in the second half, we'll like the signings just fine again.

[S5Dewey]

And if Eovaldi and Pearce get healthy and perform in the second half, we'll like the signings just fine again.

 

Face it. Fans are fickle. How long ago were some posters advocating trading Vaz and going with a catching duo of Leon and Swihart? How many want to dump Vaz now?

 

How long ago was there talk of some way, any way, getting rid of Erod and now are realizing how valuable he is?

 

And that doesn't even begin to get into the JBJ discussion.

 

Fortunately the FO doesn't run the team like TalkSox would.

[Bellhorn04]

Face it. Fans are fickle. How long ago were some posters advocating trading Vaz and going with a catching duo of Leon and Swihart? How many want to dump Vaz now?

 

How long ago was there talk of some way, any way, getting rid of Erod and now are realizing how valuable he is?

 

And that doesn't even begin to get into the JBJ discussion.

 

Fortunately the FO doesn't run the team like TalkSox would.

 

Agree 110%.

[oldtimer]

I would be very reluctant to trade away any of our more solid players this year. We suffered through the worst of JBJ and now should utilize the best of him, certainly for the remainer of this year. Like Moon and most posters on the site, I would like to get a solid reliever, two if possible without going over the competitive balance tax second tier.

 

For next season I would make some substantial moves while trying to keep our solid core. By that I mean Betts, Beni, Bogaerts, Devers, Vazquez. I think we need to clear some space with older and oft injured players like Pearce, Moreland Nunez. I'd play a wait and see attitude on JBJ.

 

My big move, having cleared substantial cap room is to go after Francisco Lindor. I think he is a better player than even Betts. Imagine having him at short, Bogaerts at 3rd or first, same for Devers, and possibly Chavis for second or DH. Could we swing the money having cleared over $30 mil of space. I'd hope it would be a consideration.

 

Pitching is not my forte. DD also has that struggle ahead of him.

[harmony]

I would be very reluctant to trade away any of our more solid players this year. We suffered through the worst of JBJ and now should utilize the best of him, certainly for the remainer of this year. Like Moon and most posters on the site, I would like to get a solid reliever, two if possible without going over the competitive balance tax second tier.

 

For next season I would make some substantial moves while trying to keep our solid core. By that I mean Betts, Beni, Bogaerts, Devers, Vazquez. I think we need to clear some space with older and oft injured players like Pearce, Moreland Nunez. I'd play a wait and see attitude on JBJ.

 

My big move, having cleared substantial cap room is to go after Francisco Lindor. I think he is a better player than even Betts. Imagine having him at short, Bogaerts at 3rd or first, same for Devers, and possibly Chavis for second or DH. Could we swing the money having cleared over $30 mil of space. I'd hope it would be a consideration.

 

Pitching is not my forte. DD also has that struggle ahead of him.

It’s hard to clear salary space on three aging players who have combined for a negative 1.0 fWAR this season. Teams need other incentives to take on contracts that are under water.

[notin]

It’s hard to clear salary space on three aging players who have combined for a negative 1.0 fWAR this season. Teams need other incentives to take on contracts that are under water.

 

 

He did say “for next season.” All DD has to do is not accidentally re-sign those players...

[notin]

I would be very reluctant to trade away any of our more solid players this year. We suffered through the worst of JBJ and now should utilize the best of him, certainly for the remainer of this year. Like Moon and most posters on the site, I would like to get a solid reliever, two if possible without going over the competitive balance tax second tier.

 

For next season I would make some substantial moves while trying to keep our solid core. By that I mean Betts, Beni, Bogaerts, Devers, Vazquez. I think we need to clear some space with older and oft injured players like Pearce, Moreland Nunez. I'd play a wait and see attitude on JBJ.

 

My big move, having cleared substantial cap room is to go after Francisco Lindor. I think he is a better player than even Betts. Imagine having him at short, Bogaerts at 3rd or first, same for Devers, and possibly Chavis for second or DH. Could we swing the money having cleared over $30 mil of space. I'd hope it would be a consideration.

 

Pitching is not my forte. DD also has that struggle ahead of him.

 

Lindor has two seasons of control remaining and has resisted all attempts by Cleveland to sign a long term deal before free agency. The Sox have neither the pieces to acquire him nor sufficient blackmail leverage on Cleveland GM Mike Chernoff to make a deal with their existing chips...

[harmony]

He did say “for next season.” All DD has to do is not accidentally re-sign those players...

Thank you for the clarification. I should have put my eyeglasses on before posting.😗

[oldtimer]

Lindor has two seasons of control remaining and has resisted all attempts by Cleveland to sign a long term deal before free agency. The Sox have neither the pieces to acquire him nor sufficient blackmail leverage on Cleveland GM Mike Chernoff to make a deal with their existing chips...

 

There will be a lot of competition when he hits the FA market. I am thinking big as he would be a tremendous addition to our or anyone elses team.

[notin]

There will be a lot of competition when he hits the FA market. I am thinking big as he would be a tremendous addition to our or anyone elses team.

 

 

Lindor is one of the best players in the games today, but he isn’t attainable for the Sox.

 

Luckily we already have an outstanding shortstop anyway. The Sox just need to figure out where Chavis plays next year - 1b or 2b, and then fill the other position...

[oldtimer]

Lindor is one of the best players in the games today, but he isn’t attainable for the Sox.

 

Luckily we already have an outstanding shortstop anyway. The Sox just need to figure out where Chavis plays next year - 1b or 2b, and then fill the other position...

 

Both Betts and Lindor will soon be FAs. Both will get big money. Bogaerts is a good shortstop and a leader of the team but he could play 1st or 3rd if we had a star like Lindor. He is only 26. Would we pay the freight when he hits FA status?

[bosoxmal]

Can any of them be had for Sale and Barnes? Both are all done.

 

I'd add Betts, but I think there is something physically wrong with Mooky.

[moonslav59]

With the logjam in the wild card standings, you cannot afford to get 3 innings from your starter and be down a few runs. If Eo cannot come back as a starter, you're getting a starter.

 

Maybe.

 

I still think a solid closer is and will be the #1 priority.

 

I'm not sure we have the resources for both.

[notin]

Both Betts and Lindor will soon be FAs. Both will get big money. Bogaerts is a good shortstop and a leader of the team but he could play 1st or 3rd if we had a star like Lindor. He is only 26. Would we pay the freight when he hits FA status?

 

Not really an issue until after the 2021 season...

[oldtimer]

Not really an issue until after the 2021 season...

 

True. The current problem is that Cora has insufficient capability in the BP. Part of that may be becauswe of overuse but some is due to guys who can't handle high pressure situations. The job of management is to replace at least one and preferably 2 guys capable of pitching in the 8th and 9th. Be interesting to see if management can get something done.

[notin]

True. The current problem is that Cora has insufficient capability in the BP. Part of that may be becauswe of overuse but some is due to guys who can't handle high pressure situations. The job of management is to replace at least one and preferably 2 guys capable of pitching in the 8th and 9th. Be interesting to see if management can get something done.

 

 

It’s not about guys not handling high pressure. All Barnes sees is high pressure. Has he ever come in with a 3 run lead facing the 7-8-9 hitters? That’s a save situation he just doesn’t get handed.

 

The problem is, after Barnes and Workman, there isn’t much. Hembree is injured and inconsistent when healthy. Brasier, Smith and Walden are 30+ year old career minor leaguers, and Velasquez as well but slightly younger. Brewer has shown improvement, but has no real track record. Taylor is a fringe talent.

 

What other major league arms does he have?

[jacksonianmarch]

Interesting stat, Barnes has an ERA over 11 on 0 days rest. You cannot use him back to back

[Bellhorn04]

Interesting stat, Barnes has an ERA over 11 on 0 days rest. You cannot use him back to back

 

A relief ace you can't use back to back is not a relief ace.

[notin]

A relief ace you can't use back to back is not a relief ace.

 

10 of the 16 ER charged to Barnes this year are on 0 days rest.

 

They do need another good arm capable of those high leverage situations. And Brasier is not the guy...

[vegasbob]

Lindor is one of the best players in the games today, but he isn’t attainable for the Sox.

 

Luckily we already have an outstanding shortstop anyway. The Sox just need to figure out where Chavis plays next year - 1b or 2b, and then fill the other position...

 

Wouldn't be too surprising to see a Chavis/Moreland platoon at first base but Mitch has once again shown himself to be unreliable physically to get more than a half season played. At $6+ million, I don't think he'll be in high demand, and should take a cut in pay to stay.

[notin]

Wouldn't be too surprising to see a Chavis/Moreland platoon at first base but Mitch has once again shown himself to be unreliable physically to get more than a half season played. At $6+ million, I don't think he'll be in high demand, and should take a cut in pay to stay.

 

Moreland might be in play for the Sox next year, but I hope Chavis isn’t limited to being a weak side platoon player. And if the Sox did pursue this unwise option, they still need to fill the void at 2b. The internal options like Marco Hernandez and CJ Chatham aren’t particularly exciting right now...

[moonslav59]

Maybe the "rest" Moreland has gotten with his most recent injury can help him stay strong through the end of this season.

 

Both he and Pearce were getting hot before their injuries.

 

Assuming Moreland and Pearce return, I think Chavis plays 2B near FT, gets some rest vs tough pitchers and plays 1B a few times- maybe when JD is in the OF, he DH's.

 

I don't see a problem getting him PAs as long as he keeps hitting. I kinda hate sitting Holt almost totally, as he seems to be out only timely hitter this year.

[Swiharts Ghost]

We need a slugger a Closer and a starter to win a World Series .

Players I'd add .

1. Shane Green I think we will make this move soon .

2.Hunter Renfroe

3. Max Scherzer .Id trade Erod,Casas

 

Bullpen of Workman 8th ,Green 9th

starters Scherzer,Price ,Sale ,Porcello

Lineup Mookie,Devers ,Renfroe,JDM ,Bogey,Chavis ,

Edited June 27, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost