What are the chances of Porcello being offered a contract extension?

[Carpin]

I wonder if the Astros would take a flyer on him, he was never a power pitcher and I understand he sits now in 90-92 MPH with his FB and he will be 31 years for the whole 2020 season; a nice reclamation project for them

[moonslav59]

I wonder if the Astros would take a flyer on him, he was never a power pitcher and I understand he sits now in 90-92 MPH with his FB and he will be 31 years for the whole 2020 season; a nice reclamation project for them

 

The Astros know how to bring in a guy and show him how to concentrate on what they do best. They are like the Rays: players have career years after being traded to them.

[S5Dewey]

The Astros know how to bring in a guy and show him how to concentrate on what they do best. They are like the Rays: players have career years after being traded to them.

 

Maybe that's not always a coincidence.

[moonslav59]

Maybe that's not always a coincidence.

 

No, I don't think it is at all, and I wonder why we can't get (more?) people into our system that can do the same.

[S5Dewey]

Bill Belichick knows how to bring in a guy and show him how to concentrate on what he does best. The Pats and the Astro's are alike: players have career years after being traded to them.

I just edited that for you. I hope you don't mind.

 

That does seem to be the hallmark of the Pats though. They bring in players who 'don't fit' (for one reason or another) in their past system and these players become important pieces of the team.

 

It makes me think that other New England teams should take a hard look at the how's and why's of that workings and try to emulate the Pats. Often times it's about more than the skills.

[moonslav59]

I just edited that for you. I hope you don't mind.

 

That does seem to be the hallmark of the Pats though. They bring in players who 'don't fit' (for one reason or another) in their past system and these players become important pieces of the team.

 

It makes me think that other New England teams should take a hard look at the how's and why's of that workings and try to emulate the Pats. Often times it's about more than the skills.

 

I do mind. I hate the cheating Pats!

[S5Dewey]

I do mind. I hate the cheating Pats!

 

LOL..

 

Ok, but outside of that, you have to admit that the Pats have a way of picking up players who haven't been performing up to their abilities and then getting the most out of them.

 

There's got to be some kind of psychological thing involved in that..knowing which buttons to push with those players. If so it'd be great to see the Sox emulate it.

[Bellhorn04]

LOL..

 

Ok, but outside of that, you have to admit that the Pats have a way of picking up players who haven't been performing up to their abilities and then getting the most out of them.

 

There's got to be some kind of psychological thing involved in that..knowing which buttons to push with those players. If so it'd be great to see the Sox emulate it.

 

3 points, all of which are pretty obvious, I guess:

 

1) The games of football and baseball have vast fundamental differences. From what I gather, the Belichick approach is to tell players to learn their playbook inside out and give 110% physical effort, and you can stick around. If not we move on to the next guy who approximates you.

2) The Patriots have Brady.

3) The Red Sox are the most successful MLB team this century, just as the Pats are the most successful NFL team. The Pats are MORE successful, inarguably, but that's tied into the fact that a team can dominate in football for a longer period.

[S5Dewey]

3 points, all of which are pretty obvious, I guess:

 

1) The games of football and baseball have vast fundamental differences. From what I gather, the Belichick approach is to tell players to learn their playbook inside out and give 110% physical effort, and you can stick around. If not we move on to the next guy who approximates you.

 

3) The Red Sox are the most successful MLB team this century, just as the Pats are the most successful NFL team. The Pats are MORE successful, inarguably, but that's tied into the fact that a team can dominate in football for a longer period.

 

It's not only about putting out the effort, it's also about being successful in that effort. Regardless of how much a Pats player is trying, if he's not successful he's gone. It's that little extra incentive that makes the difference.

 

Belichick has his own psychological ways of making statements. Remember when a running back (whose name I forget at the moment) fumbled the ball twice in the same game a few years ago, and Belichick had him on the sidelines holding a football for the entire next game?

 

If you listen to the Pats pregame and postgame shows you hear that the analyists there are amazed (and that's not too strong a word) that the Pats have been as dominant as they are for as long as they have been. It seems like each year the Pats "lose" key players and the next year they're back winning again. That's not just Tom Brady. Winning is in the culture of that team, Belichick is the head of it and he knows the psychology of motivation.

 

IMO that and Tom Brady are the reasons why the Pats are so successful, but you also can't rule out the "Belichick effect" on Brady.

[Slasher9]

I do mind. I hate the cheating Pats!

 

if only they would cheat as much as the Green Bay Packers! but i guess no one cares that their own team cheats because they jealous they never have parades at the end of the year?

https://yourteamcheats.com/

[Slasher9]

It's not only about putting out the effort, it's also about being successful in that effort. Regardless of how much a Pats player is trying, if he's not successful he's gone. It's that little extra incentive that makes the difference.

 

Belichick has his own psychological ways of making statements. Remember when a running back (whose name I forget at the moment) fumbled the ball twice in the same game a few years ago, and Belichick had him on the sidelines holding a football for the entire next game?

 

If you listen to the Pats pregame and postgame shows you hear that the analyists there are amazed (and that's not too strong a word) that the Pats have been as dominant as they are for as long as they have been. It seems like each year the Pats "lose" key players and the next year they're back winning again. That's not just Tom Brady. Winning is in the culture of that team, Belichick is the head of it and he knows the psychology of motivation.

 

IMO that and Tom Brady are the reasons why the Pats are so successful, but you also can't rule out the "Belichick effect" on Brady.

 

you make great points here S5. but unfortunately BB has way more power over the players as in NFL most contracts are not guaranteed so you can cut the throat of any player at any time and not be on the hook $$$. baseball is that other animal that once the contract is signed the player has all the power......

[oldtimer]

I do mind. I hate the cheating Pats!

 

You have bought into the coolade of the envious.

[S5Dewey]

you make great points here S5. but unfortunately BB has way more power over the players as in NFL most contracts are not guaranteed so you can cut the throat of any player at any time and not be on the hook $$$. baseball is that other animal that once the contract is signed the player has all the power......

 

There's that too.

[oldtimer]

if only they would cheat as much as the Green Bay Packers! but i guess no one cares that their own team cheats because they jealous they never have parades at the end of the year?

https://yourteamcheats.com/

of the Globe sh

If you remember, deflate gate was overblown. The footballs were correctly inflated on the lower side but the cooling brought them down just below the minimum. The one football that caused the problem was the one substituted by an NFL employee who stole a original and replaced it with another underinflated ball. The Patriots totally cooperated although Brady did not want the fulll contents of his private e-mail to be in the hands of a bunch of NY lawyers. They no doubt would have leaked any and all controversial conversations he might have had. A person has a right to privacy afterall.

 

I had a background as a chief engineer for a large corporation and sent an analysis to Shaunessy of the Globe showing how application of the simple universal gas law made a reduction in pressure likely and there had probably been many similar instances when balls were taken from insides into very cold environments.

 

The Pats did attempt to steal signs using cameras. I'll bet there have been other equivalents that weren't talked about because the other teams were unsuccessful. In baseball, teams are almost paranoid about sign stealing these days and my guess with good reason.

[Bellhorn04]

As Shaughnessy keeps pointing out, the Pats have also benefitted from playing in a cream puff division for a long time now.

[Slasher9]

As Shaughnessy keeps pointing out, the Pats have also benefitted from playing in a cream puff division for a long time now.

 

be careful with buying into this nonsense about cream puff division.

since 2001

Patriots VS AFC East winning percentage .780

Patriots VS EVERY OTHER OPPONENT .753

If the AFC East sucks so does the rest of the NFL

 

also, the AFC East winning percentage takes a big hit because each of those teams have to play the juggernaut NE Patriots 2x a year. they basically start the season 0-2.

 

While the Patriots’ 86-24 record against the AFC East is staggering, their winning percentage (134-44, 0.753) against everyone else is the best in the NFL, while they have 25 more non-division victories than any other team.

 

New England’s record against eventual division winners (24-14) makes them the only team in the history of the NFL with a winning record in this category. Against teams who eventually made the playoffs in a given season, the Patriots (60-33, 0.645) are the best in the league, with the Steelers at a not-so-close second with a 0.480 winning percentage.

 

Their success against teams who finished with a winning record (75-45, 0.625) is also an NFL-best mark, with the Steelers trailing by a considerable margin at a 0.440 winning percentage.

 

It’s settled then. The Patriots don’t just take care of business against the AFC East, but no team is even close to their level of success against teams outside their division.

 

Shaughnessy can suck a bag of D's.

[illinoisredsox]

As Shaughnessy keeps pointing out, the Pats have also benefitted from playing in a cream puff division for a long time now.

 

Rule #1 - NEVER read Shaughnessy. He’s been miserable since late October 2004. He is utterly unable to find the good in anything. I have no problem reporting/writing about something in a negative way if it’s legit negative. He goes and invents negative stuff.

[TylerD]

be careful with buying into this nonsense about cream puff division.

since 2001

Patriots VS AFC East winning percentage .780

Patriots VS EVERY OTHER OPPONENT .753

If the AFC East sucks so does the rest of the NFL

 

also, the AFC East winning percentage takes a big hit because each of those teams have to play the juggernaut NE Patriots 2x a year. they basically start the season 0-2.

 

While the Patriots’ 86-24 record against the AFC East is staggering, their winning percentage (134-44, 0.753) against everyone else is the best in the NFL, while they have 25 more non-division victories than any other team.

 

New England’s record against eventual division winners (24-14) makes them the only team in the history of the NFL with a winning record in this category. Against teams who eventually made the playoffs in a given season, the Patriots (60-33, 0.645) are the best in the league, with the Steelers at a not-so-close second with a 0.480 winning percentage.

 

Their success against teams who finished with a winning record (75-45, 0.625) is also an NFL-best mark, with the Steelers trailing by a considerable margin at a 0.440 winning percentage.

 

It’s settled then. The Patriots don’t just take care of business against the AFC East, but no team is even close to their level of success against teams outside their division.

 

Shaughnessy can suck a bag of D's.

 

Let’s make no mistake here, the Dolphins and Jets have been s*** for a long time outside of a couple average seasons. All the stats in the world won’t change this, they are terrible. The jets haven’t been relevant in nearly 10 years since they went to the Conf champions, Dolphins have made playoffs a couple times but outside of that have been garbage. Buffalo is finally getting it going. Two season ago they made playoffs and looked like they were headed in the right direction, now they are 3-0 and might actually give the Pats a decent game this Sunday.

 

However if it wasn’t for the Pats, that division would be BY FAR the worst division in the NFL for the last decade outside of maybe 2010 where the Seahawks made playoffs at 7-9.

[Slasher9]

Let’s make no mistake here, the Dolphins and Jets have been s*** for a long time outside of a couple average seasons. All the stats in the world won’t change this, they are terrible. The jets haven’t been relevant in nearly 10 years since they went to the Conf champions, Dolphins have made playoffs a couple times but outside of that have been garbage. Buffalo is finally getting it going. Two season ago they made playoffs and looked like they were headed in the right direction, now they are 3-0 and might actually give the Pats a decent game this Sunday.

 

However if it wasn’t for the Pats, that division would be BY FAR the worst division in the NFL for the last decade outside of maybe 2010 where the Seahawks made playoffs at 7-9.

 

right...so just go ahead and ignore the out of division records i posted. if only the Pats played in the AFC South where they could simply feast on colts, jags, titans 2x a year.....

[TylerD]

right...so just go ahead and ignore the out of division records i posted. if only the Pats played in the AFC South where they could simply feast on colts, jags, titans 2x a year.....

 

Lol jags and titans both beat the Pats last year and colts with Peyton Manning beat them 5 out of 6 times from 05-2010. But yes lately the patriots have had their way with the colts because Luck and that defense folded against them.

 

My argument wasn’t about the Pats though. They are a fantastic team. My argument was the rest of the division is horrible. I still think the Patriots are a dynasty in any other division as well, but it certainly helps getting the top seed being in a bad division. With that said I don’t think it makes a difference. The patriots are rock solid on the road as well.

[Slasher9]

if you dont think it makes a difference why bring it up?

.753 winning percentage vs everyone outside of AFC East.

what other number is necessary?

[Slasher9]

Is the AFC East really as weak as people say? or do they just look weaker because they have to face the Patriots 2x per year?

well if we remove the Division Winner record from each division from 2000 what will the division records be? the AFC East would have to be the worst because the Patriots are no longer a part of that record, right?

wrong:

What happens when we remove every season's division winners from each division?

Division W - L - T Win Percentage

AFC East 395 - 469 - 0 .457

NFC East 390 - 472 - 2 .451

NFC South 394 - 501 - 2 .439

AFC North 368 - 493 - 4 .425

AFC South 365 - 499 - 0 .422

AFC West 363 - 501 - 0 .420

NFC North 361 - 502 - 2 .417

NFC West 347 - 515 - 4 .401

 

ooops.

[Bellhorn04]

Is the AFC East really as weak as people say? or do they just look weaker because they have to face the Patriots 2x per year?

well if we remove the Division Winner record from each division from 2000 what will the division records be? the AFC East would have to be the worst because the Patriots are no longer a part of that record, right?

wrong:

What happens when we remove every season's division winners from each division?

Division W - L - T Win Percentage

AFC East 395 - 469 - 0 .457

NFC East 390 - 472 - 2 .451

NFC South 394 - 501 - 2 .439

AFC North 368 - 493 - 4 .425

AFC South 365 - 499 - 0 .422

AFC West 363 - 501 - 0 .420

NFC North 361 - 502 - 2 .417

NFC West 347 - 515 - 4 .401

 

ooops.

 

You're doing good work.

 

My only counterpoint would be that it seems like it's the last 5-10 years the AFC East has been really putrid - not all the way back to 2000.

[jacksonianmarch]

Porcello is going to go for one of those Boras "pillow" contracts. He will sign for a low guarantee with incentives for one season. I anticipate Houston is a great landing spot

[Slasher9]

You're doing good work.

 

My only counterpoint would be that it seems like it's the last 5-10 years the AFC East has been really putrid - not all the way back to 2000.

 

multiple 10+ game winners in each division 2008-2018. Should show how many of these seasons did the division winner had "serious" competition from a division rival?

AFC East 4

AFC West 4

AFC South 3

AFC North 6

NFC East 4

NFC West 5

NFC North 6

NFC South 5

 

if you take it back to 2000:

AFC East 9

AFC West 8

AFC South 7

AFC North 8

NFC East 9

NFC West 8

NFC North 6

NFC South 6

[moonslav59]

Porcello is going to go for one of those Boras "pillow" contracts. He will sign for a low guarantee with incentives for one season. I anticipate Houston is a great landing spot

 

I doubt Houston pays Cole, so I agree, Porcello and maybe another similar pitcher may sign there.

[Slasher9]

Non division games since 2010:

 

Tennessee 42-51 45.2%

Houston 44-55 44.4%

Indy 44-56 44.0%

Jax 26-68 27.7%

 

NE 87-25 77.7%

Buf 42-51 45.2%

Mia 42-51 45.2%

NYJ 41-52 44.1%

[Bellhorn04]

multiple 10+ game winners in each division 2008-2018. Should show how many of these seasons did the division winner had "serious" competition from a division rival?

AFC East 4

AFC West 4

AFC South 3

AFC North 6

NFC East 4

NFC West 5

NFC North 6

NFC South 5

 

if you take it back to 2000:

AFC East 9

AFC West 8

AFC South 7

AFC North 8

NFC East 9

NFC West 8

NFC North 6

NFC South 6

 

Looks like you're right.

[TylerD]

if you dont think it makes a difference why bring it up?

.753 winning percentage vs everyone outside of AFC East.

what other number is necessary?

 

Your very first sentence was “be careful buying into cream puff division”

 

You literally said that or something close to that. I’m saying it is a cream puff division. In fact it’s f***ing dogshit. If someone disagrees with that they don’t understand football very well. Whether it makes a difference to the patriots or not, I really don’t care. They are a very good team but the division stinks and has for years. That’s my point. Maybe if they played in the NFC North it would be different. It’s always different when you play in a division as oppose to playing a team once every 4 years. They study you, hence why the Dolphins have success against the Pats.

[TylerD]

Is the AFC East really as weak as people say? or do they just look weaker because they have to face the Patriots 2x per year?

well if we remove the Division Winner record from each division from 2000 what will the division records be? the AFC East would have to be the worst because the Patriots are no longer a part of that record, right?

wrong:

What happens when we remove every season's division winners from each division?

Division W - L - T Win Percentage

AFC East 395 - 469 - 0 .457

NFC East 390 - 472 - 2 .451

NFC South 394 - 501 - 2 .439

AFC North 368 - 493 - 4 .425

AFC South 365 - 499 - 0 .422

AFC West 363 - 501 - 0 .420

NFC North 361 - 502 - 2 .417

NFC West 347 - 515 - 4 .401

 

ooops.

Jets have a total of 49 wins since 2011

Bills 57

Dolphins 58

 

These teams are averaging about 7 wins a season, even if you factor them beating the Pats twice a year that brings them

To 9 wins. Still not likely to make playoffs. Also the Dolphins beat the Pats in 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. So the Pats really has nothing to do with their suckage.