What are the chances of Porcello being offered a contract extension?

[mvp 78]

Pee diapers are not problem..... the poop ones.... I throw up every time, but I'm getting better..... sort of.

 

I couldn’t stand the smell and feel of baby spit up. Still have the sensation of it running down my arm at 2am stuck in the back of my brain.

[notin]

Pee diapers are not problem..... the poop ones.... I throw up every time, but I'm getting better..... sort of.

 

Well luckily for you babies stop pooping around 6 months...

[TylerD]

I couldn’t stand the smell and feel of baby spit up. Still have the sensation of it running down my arm at 2am stuck in the back of my brain.

 

Lol I’ll second that. He did that to me 3 nights ago actually at 3 am. Was a good time. So warm..... and sticky.

[TylerD]

Well luckily for you babies stop pooping around 6 months...

 

If I stopped feeding him he would. Aaaaaahahaha....MUAHAHAHA... K that was evil. I wouldn’t do that.

[jung]

So Torre and Jim Leyland (who knows what his MLB function is) chewed out Verlander in the Cora's ASG Managers office for shouting out the MLB juiced baseball farce. You have got to be kidding me MLB.

 

We have Verlander shouting it to the heavens. We have David Price taking baseballs apart and unwinding them in the bullpen during games, ON VIDEO and you yahoos from MLB who won't admit your complicity are chewing ANYBODY out. f*** off Torre and you too Leyland.

[dgalehouse]

So Torre and Jim Leyland (who knows what his MLB function is) chewed out Verlander in the Cora's ASG Managers office for shouting out the MLB juiced baseball farce. You have got to be kidding me MLB.

 

We have Verlander shouting it to the heavens. We have David Price taking baseballs apart and unwinding them in the bullpen during games, ON VIDEO and you yahoos from MLB who won't admit your complicity are chewing ANYBODY out. f*** off Torre and you too Leyland.

Verlander was just saying what almost everyone else believes is true . I am less impressed by Manfred every day . He has no solutions for what ails the game , only bad gimmicks. Torre is just doing Manfred's bidding .

[jacksonianmarch]

Manfred is a bad GM. Sometimes you just need to avoid rocking the boat. He is far too liberal with changing the game and hasn't responded to the changes being made around him. Trying to keep the game the way it was is the best thing he can do. Instead of working on a pitch clock, juicing the ball and limiting mound visits, how bout he limits shifting and allows guys to hit the way they were brought up to? The shift is the thing that has caused all this nonsense. Players have decided to sell out for homers, so we are seeing higher K rates, longer ABs, longer games and more homers. Juice the ball and now everyone can hit a homer.

[jung]

Verlander was just saying what almost everyone else believes is true . I am less impressed by Manfred every day . He has no solutions for what ails the game , only bad gimmicks. Torre is just doing Manfred's bidding .

 

Good Catch! That really speaks to the unmitigated gall of these clowns from MLB. All of their nonsense has been a complete FAILURE. Nobody knows their biggest stars today. There are NO transcendent MLB players now for example...none...nada...zippo.

 

What Manfred totally misses is the reason why HR's and the Steroid era brought MLB back from the graveyard. MLB was in the hole with the dirt being thrown on top and boy did they deserve it. Owners caught colluding (how stupid and arrogant could you be) followed by a strike and BOOM.....slow death, dirt being thrown in the grave atop their idiot bodies.

 

But the Steroid era brought it back. It brought it back because it was not every tom dick and larry, 160 lb soaking wet hitter knocking Superballs entirely out of the park and because we still had pitchers that would compete, that would challenge hitters and we had fans that could see the compete level from the pitchers. Nobody is really interested in all these Bombs for the sake of the Bombs themselves and nobody is interested in launch angle and boom or bust HR or K baseball. They are interested because of the battle, the compete level, the "challenge" of hitting against good pitching and hitting a HR against good pitching. They are interested in seeing great plays in the field, not some half-baked fielder scratching his ass with one hand and casually reaching over a few inches with his glove hand to make a catch tailor made by some computer geek positioning.

 

To bring back a phrase from possibly the most famous SNL spot in history "Jane you ignorant Slut" is about all I have to say to Manfred and his idiot goons.

Edited July 10, 2019 by jung

[TylerD]

Manfred is a bad GM. Sometimes you just need to avoid rocking the boat. He is far too liberal with changing the game and hasn't responded to the changes being made around him. Trying to keep the game the way it was is the best thing he can do. Instead of working on a pitch clock, juicing the ball and limiting mound visits, how bout he limits shifting and allows guys to hit the way they were brought up to? The shift is the thing that has caused all this nonsense. Players have decided to sell out for homers, so we are seeing higher K rates, longer ABs, longer games and more homers. Juice the ball and now everyone can hit a homer.

 

He’s a lawyer. Which makes him an ass. Thinks he is a know it all. That’s a lot of them. Not every one but I’m his case he is a moron. I don’t pay much attention to him but when I have seen him speak I cringe.

[moonslav59]

Manfred is a bad GM. Sometimes you just need to avoid rocking the boat. He is far too liberal with changing the game and hasn't responded to the changes being made around him. Trying to keep the game the way it was is the best thing he can do. Instead of working on a pitch clock, juicing the ball and limiting mound visits, how bout he limits shifting and allows guys to hit the way they were brought up to? The shift is the thing that has caused all this nonsense. Players have decided to sell out for homers, so we are seeing higher K rates, longer ABs, longer games and more homers. Juice the ball and now everyone can hit a homer.

 

I hate the juiced ball, but the shift has been around for a long time. Making it illegal would be changing the game to the bad.

 

I like the pitch clock and think it should be enforced- maybe allow a team 3-5 overages before a ball is called.

 

[jung]

I hate the juiced ball, but the shift has been around for a long time. Making it illegal would be changing the game to the bad.

 

I like the pitch clock and think it should be enforced- maybe allow a team 3-5 overages before a ball is called.

 

 

They don't have to make the shift entirely illegal. But the number of shifts has grown exponentially in the last 10 years to an absurd level now because they are being fed by computer data.

 

I would simply insist on two infielders on either side of second base...PERIOD. Position those two either side of Second anywhere you want to but must have two either side. In other words, outlaw over-shifting infielders. Do what ever else you want to do with fielders. You want to have the equivalent of an over-shift by supplementing your infielders with an outfielder and risk have the ball hit into a massive hole in the OF defense....go for it.

Edited July 10, 2019 by jung

[moonslav59]

They don't have to make the shift entirely illegal. But the number of shifts has grown exponentially in the last 10 years to an absurd level now because they are being fed by computer data.

 

I would simply insist on two infielders on either side of second base...PERIOD. Position those two either side of Second anywhere you want to but must have two either side. In other words, outlaw over-shifting infielders. Do what ever else you want to do with fielders. You want to have the equivalent of an over-shift by supplementing your infielders with an outfielder and risk have the ball hit into a massive hole in the OF defense....go for it.

 

I still disgaree. totally, and I don't think the shift is in any way ruining or extending the games.

[notin]

If teams want to shift, let them shift. Let them move all 7 fielders to the same side of 2b if they want. Left-handed hitters will just have to learn to go the other way.

 

If you hate Launch Ball, letting opposing teams over shift is part of the remedy...

[jung]

If teams want to shift, let them shift. Let them move all 7 fielders to the same side of 2b if they want. Left-handed hitters will just have to learn to go the other way.

 

If you hate Launch Ball, letting opposing teams over shift is part of the remedy...

 

Unfortunately that is putting blinders on to what has actually happened.

 

Shifts began as a means to try to combat particular tough hitters. They shifted on Williams. Joe Madden re-released it as a means to try to control David Ortiz. In neither case were shifts widely used nor were they fed by computer data.

 

You could count total shifts across both leagues in three figure numbers. That grew to above 1,000 which grew quickly to 3,000 to 4,000 which then grew to over 6,000 per year. They now not only shift on virtually every LH hitter but the over-shift on virtually every one of them. They are now shifting on RH hitters from LH pitchers in some cases and they are now shifting by hitter, by count. I think the last numbers I saw which were at a site dedicated to total shifts had the 2018 numbers at over 8,000 shifts and the over-shift is now so much the norm that they no longer call anything but what used to be called an over-shift a shift. So the simply shift has lost all meaning and there are so many over-shifts taking place that what used to be called an over-shift is the only thing they will count as a shift in their data.

 

I don't know if there is actually a way for them to shift more at this point unless they shift on every RH hitter v every LH pitcher.

 

So you can talk about what hitters could do and you can even talk about what hitters might do or should do all you want. It has not worked out that way. I should also point out that there is hardly a way any longer for MLB to rob more exciting play from the game and insert more BORING play into their game which is why of course there are no longer any transcendent players, no games that the younger generation looks forward to watching as MLB to them is just wallpaper, background noise. BORING, like seeing a computer aided fielder just reach down for ball hit directly at him or watching an uncompetitive pitcher throw a Rocket Ship baseball to a nothing hitter and watching said nothing hitter hit it to Mars.

 

The ratings continue to decline, attendance continues to decline and nobody outside of true baseball fans that continue to follow the game knows the best players in today's game from Adam.

 

The saddest part of the whole miserable mess is that MLB and its insane response to what they clearly saw coming has not just been futile, it has likely hurt them worse than what they were trying to address, a clear case of the remedies being worse than the ailment.

 

Frankly I am now to the point where if Manfred is not somehow compelled to change direction, MLB won't likely survive me, something I would not have even considered as little as ten years ago. They almost killed it once from greed, stupidity and incredible arrogance. Having been given a new lease on life, I would have thought they would have cared for it better. This time, it looks more like sheer, unabashed stupidity that has run their car into the ditch.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Time to trade Rick to Reds or someone but trade is a must .We cannot just let him leave without getting a few prospects .

[notin]

Time to trade Rick to Reds or someone but trade is a must .We cannot just let him leave without getting a few prospects .

 

I’m guessing you don’t day trade for a living...

[moonslav59]

Time to trade Rick to Reds or someone but trade is a must .We cannot just let him leave without getting a few prospects .

 

Despite doing surprisingly well this year, I predict the Reds will be sellers.

 

If they decide to buy, I doubt it will be for an expensive rental.

[moonslav59]

I’m guessing you don’t day trade for a living...

 

I was a solo day trader for about 3 years and did well. I doubt it has much to do with valuing ML talent or trade ideas.

Edited July 11, 2019 by moonslav59

[Swiharts Ghost]

I was a solo day trader for about 3 years and did well. I doubt it has much to do with valuing ML talent or trade ideas.

 

Moon I'm not saying reds I'm saying anyone including them because they rarely trade .Rick still has value it's time to cash in .He will likely walk for nothing in a few months cash the chip in .

[moonslav59]

Moon I'm not saying reds I'm saying anyone including them because they rarely trade .Rick still has value it's time to cash in .He will likely walk for nothing in a few months cash the chip in .

 

So, you are totally giving up on this year?

 

Do you really think the return on a Porcello trade will make a difference in 2020 or beyond?

 

I get your point about getting nothing, but next to nothing while zeroing our 2019 chances makes little sense to me.

[notin]

I was a solo day trader for about 3 years and did well. I doubt it has much to do with valuing ML talent or trade ideas.

 

No but the entire premise does involve NOT waiting until an asset is at its absolute lowest value before deciding to sell...

[notin]

So, you are totally giving up on this year?

 

Do you really think the return on a Porcello trade will make a difference in 2020 or beyond?

 

I get your point about getting nothing, but next to nothing while zeroing our 2019 chances makes little sense to me.

 

It’s ok sometimes to let a player go to free agency. Porcello wouldn’t bring back much in a trade anyway. But more important, any trade of Porcello leaves an even bigger hole in an already underperforming rotation and becomes a white flag on the entire 2019 season. Which probably means Dombrowski gets fired. (You don’t spend a quarter of a billion dollars to give up at the midpoint without repercussions.) Which I think he might not want.

 

The Sox aren’t going to sell. Dombrowski is like George Clooney in “The Perfect Storm.” He’s going to just ran this ship forward full speed ahead right into that oncoming tidal wave. Hopefully with better results.

 

And if not, maybe Dombrowski can take some solace in the fact that Clooney then went on to make “O Brother Where Art Thou?”, which was a much, much better movie. Wait. Where was I going here?

 

Oh yeah. Keep Porcello...

[TylerD]

It’s ok sometimes to let a player go to free agency. Porcello wouldn’t bring back much in a trade anyway. But more important, any trade of Porcello leaves an even bigger hole in an already underperforming rotation and becomes a white flag on the entire 2019 season. Which probably means Dombrowski gets fired. (You don’t spend a quarter of a billion dollars to give up at the midpoint without repercussions.) Which I think he might not want.

 

The Sox aren’t going to sell. Dombrowski is like George Clooney in “The Perfect Storm.” He’s going to just ran this ship forward full speed ahead right into that oncoming tidal wave. Hopefully with better results.

 

And if not, maybe Dombrowski can take some solace in the fact that Clooney then went on to make “O Brother Where Art Thou?”, which was a much, much better movie. Wait. Where was I going here?

 

Oh yeah. Keep Porcello...

 

I like that last part you typed.

 

Sign big dick!

[notin]

I like that last part you typed.

 

Sign big dick!

 

 

I think he might have to return to form or take a substantial pay cut to stay in Boston. But at the very least, they shouldn’t trade him this month just because...

[Sandman1956]

Extensions are only part of the picture. There are huge discrepancies in what guys make anyway. Morale on just about every team should suck, based on pay inequity.

 

I read Big Papi's book, and the discrepancies in pay and the effect it had on team morale was one of the things that really irked him. He did not mind so much people on the team getting good offers, but it really irked him that the huge money went to free agents with no ties to the Sox. ( specifically Carl Crawford etc.) He wanted more respect given to loyal employees.

 

He's right, of course. There are three standards of pay in MLB; the amount you get initially (a mere 500 + grand per year (tongue firmly in cheek)), the amount you can eventually sign for if you are loyal to the team, and the amount you can get in free agency if you are deemed to be a valuable commodity. David Price is not worth more to the Sox than players earning less than half his salary. Then again, to get him we had to overpay, and the difference between the Sox with him and without him may have been winning the WS and not winning it. On the other hand, the discrepancy in salary becomes a problem when it is contract time for the comparatively underpaid players.

 

For years Papi was underpaid by the standards of baseball because he gave the team a hometown discount. It wasn't until after 2013 that he got Very few teams have the resources to sign their stars to the amount they can get in free agency, and with the luxury tax there is a penalty for doing so. What the Yankees did in the late 90s with their young stars they wanted to keep was pay them so much they would never become free agents. I would love to see a system put in place in which players would be paid according to value and that the formula for pay would be based on contribution to the team, with certain guarantees put in place for injury seasons etc. It will never happen, but it would be so much fairer.

[TylerD]

I think he might have to return to form or take a substantial pay cut to stay in Boston. But at the very least, they shouldn’t trade him this month just because...

 

He said he will take a pay cut. I thought it would have come out by now what his offer was. But no clue yet.

[notin]

He said he will take a pay cut. I thought it would have come out by now what his offer was. But no clue yet.

 

Well he did hire an agent at some point, and that agent’s job is to minimize that pay cut...

[Swiharts Ghost]

So, you are totally giving up on this year?

 

Do you really think the return on a Porcello trade will make a difference in 2020 or beyond?

 

I get your point about getting nothing, but next to nothing while zeroing our 2019 chances makes little sense to me.

 

Moon your not a Celtics fan I know but man I wish we traded a certain player mid year when it was painfully obvios things went so sideways.I wonder what that player would have fetched with some forethought ? Why can't we learn from The patriots ? Make the trade don't look back .JDM ,EROD. Benny ,Porcello are on the Block .

[Swiharts Ghost]

So, you are totally giving up on this year?

 

Do you really think the return on a Porcello trade will make a difference in 2020 or beyond?

 

I get your point about getting nothing, but next to nothing while zeroing our 2019 chances makes little sense to me.

 

I think you are bright and if you can look back on this time you would have traded Rick ,Erod ,JDM yes I don't want to be holding a bag of s*** but a bag of apples come next January .

[moonslav59]

Moon your not a Celtics fan I know but man I wish we traded a certain player mid year when it was painfully obvios things went so sideways.I wonder what that player would have fetched with some forethought ? Why can't we learn from The patriots ? Make the trade don't look back .JDM ,EROD. Benny ,Porcello are on the Block .

 

If we are going to have a fire sale, it would be with 2021 and beyond in mind. It would be to allow us to reset the tax this winter and the 2020 season and try to be back in the ring hunt mode by 2021.

 

Why would we trade ERod, who is making half our bid 3 starters' salaries? He's under team control through 2021.

 

We would trade all the free-agents-to be for nothing, if we could save money or get a single A prospect. That's Porcello, Moreland, Pearce, Nunez, and Holt. (Some are untradable.)

 

The next guys we look at would be the ones that are FAs after 2020: JBJ, Wright & Workman... Betts (doubt we trade Mookie).

 

Next, we may look to trade JD, Price or Sale, if we need to deal one to reset the tax, but all 3 could be hear until 2022 (Sale 2023), so they might be ones we keep for the next push.

 

We'd keep Beni, Devers, Vaz and Chavis as long term, lower cost players for 2021 and beyond.

 

I doubt we'd even consider trading ERod or Beni.

 

I'm not on board with the fire sale idea, but that could change in a couple weeks. I think this team is too good to punt mid season. We've already spent way over the tax limit and have a team very close to the 2018 one that blew our minds. It's too good a team to blow up right now. It is showing signs of decline, but I'd wait to this winter or the next trade deadline to seriously consider a blow-up plan.

 

This team is NOT the 2019 Celtics. We have no Kyries on this team.

 

Back-to-back, BABY!