Sox Underrated Minor Leaguers

[jacksonianmarch]

So was Bonds

[Bellhorn04]

So was Bonds

 

And Rawjah.

[notin]

Jason Giambi denied using steroids all the way through to the end of his public apology for using steroids...

[Spudboy]

"Manny!"

 

"Papi!"

 

[OH FOY]

https://www.minorleagueball.com/2018/7/2/17522938/boston-red-sox-sleeper-prospects

 

Reyes is 21 wont be 22 until Nov.

Edited July 15, 2018 by OH FOY!

[sk7326]

I know the Sox farm system isn't that great right now, but there are quite a few guys at Portland who have some great potential. Don't know why more people aren't talking about them.

https://redsoxunfiltered.com/2018/07/06/underrated-portland-sea-dogs-prospects/

 

This year it has been tough - so many of the top guys are just hurt.

[Dojji]

And Rawjah.

 

And Giambi, and Sheffield, and, and, and.... basically no one who roots for pinstripes has the right to complain about any other team for steroid abuse.

 

At least Pettitte and A-roid had the intestinal fortitude to admit to it

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Last I heard, chavis was still denying he used.

 

Just about everyone denies it at first. They deny it until they can't deny it any longer.

 

Some, of course, take their denial to the extreme including roid head Roger Clemons.

 

Interestingly, as far as I know, no one has ever volunteered the info prior to getting caught. A-Rod and Pettitte, for example, only admitted to taking PEDs after getting caught. A-Rod admitted to using steroids a second time (through the Miami clinic) when he testified under oath and prosecutors gave him immunity.

 

Actually, maybe Jose Canseco is an exception. He may have admitted to using steroids prior to getting caught.

Edited July 16, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Another guy to watch out for is Ty Buttrey. He is having a break through season as a reliever this year. He has earned a major league opportunity and could be the Red Sox closer of the future.

[Larry Cook]

Another guy to watch out for is Ty Buttrey. He is having a break through season as a reliever this year. He has earned a major league opportunity and could be the Red Sox closer of the future.

 

Which should come in September at the latest, since I think is already on the 40 man roster.

 

When he has command and control, he is a major league calibre reliever.

[mvp 78]

I like Buttrey. He's finally learned to limit his BB's. He has the tools to be an effective late inning guy, but has always control issues.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

With prospects like Ty Buttrey and D.Feltman, there is no need to resign Kimbrel to the 80-100 million dollar contract that he will demand. Instead, the Red Sox will get a draft pick for Kimbrel. You let the vets compete for the closer role in spring training next year (including J.Kelly, who I would resign). In the long run, Buttrey or Feltman could end up as the Red Sox closer. Edited July 16, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Larry Cook]

With prospects like Ty Buttrey and D.Feltman, there is no need to resign Kimbrel to the 80-100 million dollar contract that he will demand. Instead, the Red Sox will get a draft pick for Kimbrel. You let the vets compete for the closer role in spring training next year (including J.Kelly, who I would resign). In the long run, Buttrey or Feltman could end up as the Red Sox closer.

 

Herrera is a free ag not this off season and probably cost less than Kimbrel and be almost as effective.

[jacksonianmarch]

With prospects like Ty Buttrey and D.Feltman, there is no need to resign Kimbrel to the 80-100 million dollar contract that he will demand. Instead, the Red Sox will get a draft pick for Kimbrel. You let the vets compete for the closer role in spring training next year (including J.Kelly, who I would resign). In the long run, Buttrey or Feltman could end up as the Red Sox closer.

 

I sincerely hope you go this route. Please, DD, listen to FsB.

[jacksonianmarch]

Herrera is a free ag not this off season and probably cost less than Kimbrel and be almost as effective.

 

Herrera will be expensive. Kimbrel will likely cost closer to the $20 mil AAV mark where I expect Herrera in the $15 mil per annum mark. He is only 28, so he is gonna get a long term deal

[moonslav59]

With prospects like Ty Buttrey and D.Feltman, there is no need to resign Kimbrel to the 80-100 million dollar contract that he will demand. Instead, the Red Sox will get a draft pick for Kimbrel. You let the vets compete for the closer role in spring training next year (including J.Kelly, who I would resign). In the long run, Buttrey or Feltman could end up as the Red Sox closer.

 

2019 could be the last "window" season. I'm not sure leaving the closing role to Kelly/Thornburg/Buttrey and others is the way to go.

 

Maybe we can find a decent bridge closer.

 

I would not pay Kimbrel $20M. That's about 1/10 to 1/11th of the luxury tax budget amount.

 

It's a major area of concern going forward. Losing HRam and Pom's contracts might help a little, but the arb contracts will see significant upticks next year.

[Kimmi]

With prospects like Ty Buttrey and D.Feltman, there is no need to resign Kimbrel to the 80-100 million dollar contract that he will demand. Instead, the Red Sox will get a draft pick for Kimbrel. You let the vets compete for the closer role in spring training next year (including J.Kelly, who I would resign). In the long run, Buttrey or Feltman could end up as the Red Sox closer.

 

I'm with you. There are much less expensive options for a closer who will give you almost the same production as Kimbrel. I don't know whether Buttrey or Feltman are the answer, but someone other than an expensive Kimbrel certainly is.

[notin]

I'm with you. There are much less expensive options for a closer who will give you almost the same production as Kimbrel. I don't know whether Buttrey or Feltman are the answer, but someone other than an expensive Kimbrel certainly is.

 

The Sox may also need the closer role for Price if this trend continues...

[jacksonianmarch]

The game has changed. Every contending team has flame throwers who can locate at the end of their pen. Kimbrel is the best of them. He is so good that most teams know they need to make their hay in the first 8 innings and will pull out the stops to do so. Losing him will significantly weaker your club. So I say go for it. See if you can replace him internally. And when you turn into the 2018 Guardians pen, I will laugh and laugh

[Bellhorn04]

The game has changed. Every contending team has flame throwers who can locate at the end of their pen. Kimbrel is the best of them. He is so good that most teams know they need to make their hay in the first 8 innings and will pull out the stops to do so. Losing him will significantly weaker your club. So I say go for it. See if you can replace him internally. And when you turn into the 2018 Guardians pen, I will laugh and laugh

 

Kimbrel is a tough call. He's great, but he might be looking at $95 million. As great as he is, he entails some serious risk going forward, as all flamethrowers with some mileage on them do.

 

I guarantee that Dombrowski loves Kimbrel and I think he'll make him an offer at least. But I think he's already got a Plan B in mind too.

[Kimmi]

The game has changed. Every contending team has flame throwers who can locate at the end of their pen. Kimbrel is the best of them. He is so good that most teams know they need to make their hay in the first 8 innings and will pull out the stops to do so. Losing him will significantly weaker your club. So I say go for it. See if you can replace him internally. And when you turn into the 2018 Guardians pen, I will laugh and laugh

 

You never know what you're going to get out of relievers. We could re-sign Kimbrel for to a 4-5 year contract, and our pen could still turn into the Guardians 2018 pen. Look at the aforementioned Guardians pen. They were second best in baseball in 2017. They are the 3rd worst this year. Three of their biggest arms from last year, Miller, Cody, and Shaw just fell of the cliff this year.

 

A huge contract to Kimbrel is just not worth the resources when a very effective closer can be found for much cheaper.

[Kimmi]

Kimbrel is a tough call. He's great, but he might be looking at $95 million. As great as he is, he entails some serious risk going forward, as all flamethrowers with some mileage on them do.

 

I guarantee that Dombrowski loves Kimbrel and I think he'll make him an offer at least. But I think he's already got a Plan B in mind too.

 

Well said Bell.

[Spudboy]

I still think Kimbrell can be signed for 3/45 or 3/48.

[Bellhorn04]

I still think Kimbrell can be signed for 3/45 or 3/48.

 

That'd be less than Wade Davis got (3/52).

[Spudboy]

That'd be less than Wade Davis got (3/52).

 

okay.

 

My point is that I do think that he can be had for less than 5 years. And less than 19-20 mil./year.

[Spudboy]

Are there a bunch of teams looking to spend 100 mil on a closer?

[Bellhorn04]

Are there a bunch of teams looking to spend 100 mil on a closer?

 

You're right, it's a fair question.

 

The Yankees shelled out 86 million for Chapman and the Dodgers 80 million for Jansen. So that's 2 of the biggest spenders out of play. And I'm not sure how many other teams are willing to spend anywhere near that for a closer.

[jacksonianmarch]

You're right, it's a fair question.

 

The Yankees shelled out 86 million for Chapman and the Dodgers 80 million for Jansen. So that's 2 of the biggest spenders out of play. And I'm not sure how many other teams are willing to spend anywhere near that for a closer.

 

A ton of teams stayed under the cap this year in order to spend. Kimbrel is the best closer in baseball. Assuming you're getting a deal because of lack of suitors is a fools errand. That's like assuming Bryce Harper won't get paid because the Yanks and Dodgers are pretty well set in the OF

[Bellhorn04]

A ton of teams stayed under the cap this year in order to spend. Kimbrel is the best closer in baseball. Assuming you're getting a deal because of lack of suitors is a fools errand. That's like assuming Bryce Harper won't get paid because the Yanks and Dodgers are pretty well set in the OF

 

So start with a list of the big spenders who will clearly have an opening at closer next year. That would be a little more scientific than just talking about 'fools errands'.

 

I'm pretty sure DD loves Kimbrel and is giving this a lot of attention anyway.

[moonslav59]

Opening Day Budget Rankings & their closer (saves leader) 2018 saves

 

SFG: Stickland 12

 

BOS: Kimbrel 30

 

Cubs: Morrow 22

 

WSH: Herrera 14

 

NYM: Familia 17

 

HOU: Giles 12 (recently demoted)

 

LAA: Parker 10

 

SEA: Diaz 36

 

TOR: Clippard 6

 

NYY: Chapman 27

 

LAD: Jansen 27