Beni rising!?

[Bellhorn04]

^^^

 

Yeah, I've been saying this since last year. You don't want the Red Sox to make their last out in a winnable game with Mookie in the on-deck circle.

[S5Dewey]

Why can't a leadoff hitter have power?

 

The comment that got snipped at the end of my OP should have given away the fact that it was meant in sarcasm and directed at those people who want to move him down in the order.

[SoxHop]

Betts

JDM

Moreland

Benni

X-Man

 

Best hitters 1.2.4.5 with power at 3. Just thinking outloud.

Edited June 1, 2018 by SoxHop

[Bellhorn04]

Betts

JDM

Moreland

Benni

X-Man

 

Best hitters 1.2.4.5 with power at 3. Just thinking outloud.

 

Mine:

 

Betts

Beni

Bogey

JDM

Moreland

[mvp 78]

Mine:

 

Betts

Beni

Bogey

JDM

Moreland

 

I like this one.

[Station 13]

Betts can benefits from the 2-hole, open up some defensive shifts, hit and run, more chance to do damages.

If Mookie bats 3rd, he has a few chances per game to put away the game for good vs trying to "create" something out of the lead off position. Solo bombs accounts for 15 of his homers. That including the 2 3HR game.

Edited June 1, 2018 by Station 13

[Bellhorn04]

Betts can benefits from the 2-hole, open up some defensive shifts, hit and run, more chance to do damages.

If Mookie bats 3rd, he has a few chances per game to put away the game for good vs trying to "create" something out of the lead off position. Solo bombs accounts for 15 of his homers. That including the 2 3HR game.

 

He does hit a lot of solo bombs. But I wonder if they would pitch to him more carefully with men on base too.

 

We already have a perfect cleanup hitter in JDM.

[Slasher9]

stats say that the best hitter should bat in the 2 hole.

stats say that the worst 1-5 hitter should bat in the 3 hole.

 

Beni

Betts

Moreland

JDM

Bogey

[Bellhorn04]

stats say that the best hitter should bat in the 2 hole.

stats say that the worst 1-5 hitter should bat in the 3 hole.

 

Beni

Betts

Moreland

JDM

Bogey

 

That looks like the SABR lineup alright...

[Spudboy]

Mine:

 

Betts

Beni

Bogey

JDM

Moreland

 

That's what I would do.

 

But then I don't pay much attention to the R-L-R thing.

[oldtimer]

stats say that the best hitter should bat in the 2 hole.

stats say that the worst 1-5 hitter should bat in the 3 hole.

 

Beni

Betts

Moreland

JDM

Bogey

 

We have two excellent hitters with speed and I have no problems with either swapped into the 1 & 2 hole. it hs been working as people have said, but it might even work better with Betts 2nd. I prefer bogey hitting third, JDM is a perfect cleanup hitter and Moreland is another big bat for us this year. After these the choices get more difficult. When Nunez is healthy I would bat him next as he is an experienced guy. Same could be said about Pedey instead of Nunez. Devers will tend to have occasionally have big hits but is less reliable with his contact. JBJ has made adjustments and may be moved down slightly in the order and our catcher should be last.

 

Beni

Betts

Bogey

JDM

Moreland

Nunez/Pedey

Devers

JBJ

Leon/Vaz

[Kimmi]

Stats also say that batting order makes such little difference that you should bat these guys where they feel comfortable batting. Mookie seems to have really embraced being the leadoff hitter. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[cp176]

stats say that the best hitter should bat in the 2 hole.

stats say that the worst 1-5 hitter should bat in the 3 hole.

 

Beni

Betts

Moreland

JDM

Bogey

 

What is the criteria that defines who or what the best hitter is? Can your best rbi guy be your best or how about the guy who hits for the best average or maybe the guy who just hits bombs. Is it the player who has the best combination of every available stat? If the last one is the case then it looks like Mookie gets the nod. If he is happy hitting leadoff, then that is where he should hit. I like and I am certainly not the only one who feels this way my rbi guys hitting 3-4-5.

[Sox75]

Many have already said so, but what it comes down to is 'not messing with Mookie's off the charts, .... historic.... breakout SUPERSTAR mojo.' That's the one thing I cringe at messing with. Ideally, I'd like to have Beni in front of Mookie to maximize / capitalize on Betts knocking in even more runs, given the pathetic production from the 7,8,9 htters. 8 & 9 especially.

 

After that, I'm liking the look of Beni, Betts, Moreland, JDM, Bogie, Pedey, Devers, JBJ, Sandy.

 

I'd like to see Vaz get more 'rest.'

 

I'd love to try this order to maximize / capitalize on Mookie's bat, but if Mookie's mojo wavers at all, or he doesn't feel as comfortable ????

 

Fugettaboutit!

 

Edited June 2, 2018 by Sox75

[Kimmi]

The thing is, for the leadoff hitter, OBP is king. Besides Mookie seeming to be extremely comfortable in that spot, his OBP is 57 points higher than the next guy on the team. Mookie may not get the RBI opportunities, but the guy is creating runs off the chart.

[oldtimer]

The thing is, for the leadoff hitter, OBP is king. Besides Mookie seeming to be extremely comfortable in that spot, his OBP is 57 points higher than the next guy on the team. Mookie may not get the RBI opportunities, but the guy is creating runs off the chart.

 

Yes and Beni's is rising. Hey, thats the title of this thread. Beni extends the pitcher and gets a lot of walks. to me, either of them is a good choice to bat first but Cora has made his mind up so its fine with me.

[cp176]

The thing is, for the leadoff hitter, OBP is king. Besides Mookie seeming to be extremely comfortable in that spot, his OBP is 57 points higher than the next guy on the team. Mookie may not get the RBI opportunities, but the guy is creating runs off the chart.

 

When you look at everything that Mookie brings to the table, there is no question that he is a perfect choice for the leadoff spot. he is good enough though I think that I would tend to bat him anywhere in the lineup where he felt comfortable. He is a massively multi-dimensional player. I just hope that he is physically able to stay in the lineup.

[Kimmi]

Yes and Beni's is rising. Hey, thats the title of this thread. Beni extends the pitcher and gets a lot of walks. to me, either of them is a good choice to bat first but Cora has made his mind up so its fine with me.

 

I am very pleased with Beni's performance lately. It's great when your All Star lead off hitter goes down, and someone else can step in that spot, and perform almost just as well. When Jackie's hitting out of the 9 spot (and Vaz and Leon out of the 8 spot, to a lesser degree), it puts a different light on the importance of Mookie leading off.

 

I would actually be okay with Beni hitting first and Mookie 2nd, but I prefer it the other way around.

[Kimmi]

When you look at everything that Mookie brings to the table, there is no question that he is a perfect choice for the leadoff spot. he is good enough though I think that I would tend to bat him anywhere in the lineup where he felt comfortable. He is a massively multi-dimensional player. I just hope that he is physically able to stay in the lineup.

 

I would be okay batting Mookie 1st, 2nd, or 4th. IMO, his talents are somewhat wasted batting him in any other spot. I think JD is the perfect cleanup hitter, so having Mookie 1st or 2nd makes more sense.

 

I would bat Mookie 5th before I batted him 3rd. But that's just me.

[cp176]

I would be okay batting Mookie 1st, 2nd, or 4th. IMO, his talents are somewhat wasted batting him in any other spot. I think JD is the perfect cleanup hitter, so having Mookie 1st or 2nd makes more sense.

 

I would bat Mookie 5th before I batted him 3rd. But that's just me.

 

lol - I think that you know me well enough to know that I would not exclude the 3 hole. I would keep him right where he is but one of the reasons that I would is because of his outstanding speed and baselining talent.

[Kimmi]

lol - I think that you know me well enough to know that I would not exclude the 3 hole. I would keep him right where he is but one of the reasons that I would is because of his outstanding speed and baselining talent.

 

Speed should really not be a factor in determining your leadoff hitter. Speedsters actually do more damage batting 6th or 7th, in front of the weaker bats at the bottom of the order. There's not as much need to put a speedy runner in front of your power hitters.

[cp176]

I like guys up top who can get the extra base. Power hitters don't always hit for power.

[Station 13]

Mookie hits for power and CONTACT. A rare combination. That makes them good to hit and run combdo, hit him second. This might help Mookie gets some hits to RF.

[Bellhorn04]

Mookie hits for power and CONTACT. A rare combination. That makes them good to hit and run combdo, hit him second. This might help Mookie gets some hits to RF.

 

I'm no lineup or strategy wizard, but I'm not sure the best use of Mookie is having him try to slap balls to right field on hit and run plays.

[Sox75]

Obviously Mookie, with his sky-high OBP, is a perfect leadoff guy.

 

But, given his HR's & slg%, he is also THE PERFECT 3 or 4 spot guy. There is no question that many of his solo HR's & doubles have not had maximum value due to the shyte performance from JBJ, Vaz, & Devers, all 3 directly in front of him. THIS is the crux the matter..... would we get more value added with Mookie having a guy or two in front of him? The answer is self-evident. The answer is ... "of course!" It would help the team. Both Beni and Bogie would both be good leadoff guys with relatively high obp, so we're good to go there. Again, Yes! Mookie' S speed & obp make him far superior.

 

Really, the only question is, would it be better for the team to have a hitter or 2 in front of Mookie? Answer ..... YES!

 

For the record, both Papi and Manny were perennial high rbi guys hitting 3 , 4, in our lineup for years..

 

We have both in JDM & Mookie.

 

The answer to where Mookie should hit is Obviously! Except that it's not. I can make THE STRONGEST ARGUEMENT POSSIBLE, but when it comes down to pulling the trigger on that pitch, I balk and worry about messing with Mookie's perfect mojo?

 

Again.... the answer is clear. I don't know what the right answer is. I ask Mookie, & go with whatever he wants to do.

Edited June 3, 2018 by Sox75

[moonslav59]

Really, the only question is, would it be better for the team to have a hitter or 2 in front of Mookie? Answer ..... YES!

 

Aren't these questions valid?

 

1) Is getting 40-50 more PAs more important than getting a few more RBI situations?

 

2) Isn't it nice having a HR hitter in the 1 slot in games were the bottom of the order is coming up in the 9th?

 

3) As long as Beni, JD and Moreland are still bashing the ball, is Mookie's slightly better power all that much of an upgrade over their power? (His OBP blows them away by more than his power blows them away- especially JD and Moreland's.)

 

Now, that being said, I'd bat Betts 2nd.

[jacksonianmarch]

Long term, I wonder if Betts-Beni-JDM is the solution or Beni first and Betts second. It seems Cora enjoys the traditional take on lineup construction.

[moonslav59]

Long term, I wonder if Betts-Beni-JDM is the solution or Beni first and Betts second. It seems Cora enjoys the traditional take on lineup construction.

 

I've always fely Bogey was the perfect number 2 hitter (little HR power- but lots of doubles and a nice OBP).

 

Studies show the best hitter should bat second, so that's why I suggested Betts second. My "old school" mentality always felt you best overall hitter should bat 3rd, so it would go something like this:

 

Start with Betts 3rd.

JD goes 4th.

Beni leads off.

Bogey bats 2nd.

Moreland up 5th vs RHPs and maybe Pedey vs LHPs, if healthy.

Devers up 6th vs RHPs and Moreland vs RHPs.

Pedey up 7th vs RHPs.

The rest is piecemeal.

 

This might be the best using what studies show is the best:

1) Bogey

2) Betts

3) Beni

4) JD

5) Moreland

6) Pedey

7) Devers

8) JBJ

9) Leon

 

[Sox75]

Really, the only question is, would it be better for the team to have a hitter or 2 in front of Mookie? Answer ..... YES!

 

Aren't these questions valid?

 

1) Is getting 40-50 more PAs more important than getting a few more RBI situations?

 

2) Isn't it nice having a HR hitter in the 1 slot in games were the bottom of the order is coming up in the 9th?

 

3) As long as Beni, JD and Moreland are still bashing the ball, is Mookie's slightly better power all that much of an upgrade over their power? (His OBP blows them away by more than his power blows them away- especially JD and Moreland's.)

 

Now, that being said, I'd bat Betts 2nd.

 

These are great points, & Especially forgot to stress point 3. I do worry that Mooreland can't possibly continue at his torrid pace though.... he will return to earth, and then we'll all freak out about Hanley's lost power bat pounding the ball for the Rockies

[moonslav59]

These are great points, & Especially forgot to stress point 3. I do worry that Mooreland can't possibly continue at his torrid pace though.... he will return to earth, and then we'll all freak out about Hanley's lost power bat pounding the ball for the Rockies

 

Look how nice it was having someone with power up in the 1 slot worked for us last night (see #2 point).

 

I do agree on Moreland's likely return to near his career norm. What will we do then?

 

Assume Pedey comes back pretty close to what he was, which means very little power, and Devers settles in around .750 to .775. Our line-up might have some issues...

 

We might go with this...

 

1) Betts (over .900)

2) Bogey (over .800)

3) Beni (over .800)

4) JD (over .900)

5) Moreland (maybe around .800)

6) Devers (.750-.775)

7) Pedey (.760-.780)

8) JBJ (hopefully ends up over .680)

9) Leon (over .600)

 

This could be enough, but having a great 5 slot hitter sure helps. Plus, it pushed everyone else down a notch, thereby upgrading most of the 6-9 slots.