Spring Training 2018 Thread

[Slasher9]

If you're making $20M to be s*****, why make a fuss? If you are going to get cheapened out of another $20M, you probably won't be all smiles about it.

 

we pay price $31MM to be s***** and he acts like an ass.

but he doesnt have dreads. so he's cool.

so, i'll say it again...let me know when HanRam makes a "fuss". until then....

[Bellhorn04]

remind me when HanRam has ever made a fuss whilst wearing a Red Sox uniform?

 

I'll agree. Hanley has been by all accounts a first class citizen in his time with us.

[mvp 78]

we pay price $31MM to be s***** and he acts like an ass.

but he doesnt have dreads. so he's cool.

so, i'll say it again...let me know when HanRam makes a "fuss". until then....

 

If you could get out of Price's contract this year, you'd sit him, right? You wouldn't let him vest?

[mvp 78]

I'll agree. Hanley has been by all accounts a first class citizen in his time with us.

 

I'm not saying he hasn't, I'm just saying that there's a possibility of him making a fuss if the Sox do some f***ery with his ab's towards the end of the year.

[OH FOY]

E-Rod is supposed to throw 4 innings today in a Minor League Game.

[mvp 78]

@redsoxstats

 

Interesting spring for Devers

42 PA, 3 HR, 3 2B, 3B, 0 BB, 4 K, 1.000 OPS

[kenmeister]

JBJ is an equal opportunity slumper.

 

Perhaps his hottest streak ever was at the tail end of 2015 (9 HRs and 40 RBI in the last 2 months).

 

I don't recall him having even one hot streak in 2017. Some reasons this could be his last year with the Sox:

1) Benitendi and Betts can both play CF as well.

2) JD Martinez might not take to the DH role and need to be a fielder to stay "in the flow of the game".

3) The free agent class of 2018 may allow the Sox to upgrade significantly

4) His offense may continue to fall off

5) He does get into a hot streak, and they decide to sell high.

[cp176]

I'm not saying he hasn't, I'm just saying that there's a possibility of him making a fuss if the Sox do some f***ery with his ab's towards the end of the year.

 

I wonder if there is anyone living on planet earth who wouldn't make a fuss under those circumstances? I'm not sure what would happen but I'm pretty sure there would be plenty of crap flying everywhere if it did. I can understand why no one wants to see his option vest - I don't either but if the Red Sox pull some shananigans to make sure he doesn't get those at bats my bet would be that it would not end well for our guys in general. I'd rather see him be released.

[cp176]

If you could get out of Price's contract this year, you'd sit him, right? You wouldn't let him vest?

 

 

That's an unfair question for Slasher. He hates Price. Pick somebody he likes like Pomeranz (lol). whoops sorry probably no option there. (my beat shot at humor for the day!) weak humor

[Slasher9]

That's an unfair question for Slasher. He hates Price. Pick somebody he likes like Pomeranz (lol). whoops sorry probably no option there. (my beat shot at humor for the day!) weak humor

 

haha.

how's Pom's arm?

[mvp 78]

I don't recall him having even one hot streak in 2017. Some reasons this could be his last year with the Sox:

1) Benitendi and Betts can both play CF as well.

2) JD Martinez might not take to the DH role and need to be a fielder to stay "in the flow of the game".

3) The free agent class of 2018 may allow the Sox to upgrade significantly

4) His offense may continue to fall off

5) He does get into a hot streak, and they decide to sell high.

 

JBJ is good for one great month.

 

2015:

5/10 - 8/8 146 BABIP and 426 OPS

8/9 - 9/7 577 BABIP and 1441 OPS

9/8 - 10/4 173 BABIP and 510 OPS

 

2016:

4/5 - 5/4 348 BABIP and 792 OPS

5/5 - 5/30 400 BABIP and 1232 OPS

6/1 - 9/30 289 BABIP and 765 OPS

 

2017:

April - May: BABIP 220 OPS 669

May 30th - July 4th: BABIP 412 OPS 1029

July 5th - Sept: BABIP 263 OPS 598

[Bellhorn04]

Jabie Jay was great in 2016, period. 2015 and 2017 his offense was suspect for sure.

[mvp 78]

Jabie Jay was great in 2016, period. 2015 and 2017 his offense was suspect for sure.

 

Agreed. The only reason I track the stats that way is to show how hot he gets over a period of 30 days or so. If he OPS'd about 800, no one would complain about him.

[cp176]

haha.

how's Pom's arm?

 

Slasher - Pom Pom will be just fine. He has been drinking the same Kool aid that Price has. All systems go!

[cp176]

Once again I get how some of you view spring training results but really did that box score today tell me that Travis just hit his 5th home run of the spring? Now it is starting to get interesting.

[moonslav59]

I don't recall him having even one hot streak in 2017. Some reasons this could be his last year with the Sox:

 

It was one of his most consistent season. Too bad it was not very good offensively. However, he did have clear good months and clear bad ones, once again.

.596 APR

.808 May

1.009 June

.596 July

.770 Aug

.517 Sept

 

Yes, he seems to have 1 good/great month per season, but he usually has 1-2 good to decent ones mixed in as well;

 

2017: 1.009 in June, but also .808 and .770. (That's half the months over .770)

 

2016: 1.175 in May, but also .839, .807, .805 and .731 (hardly a one good month season, as 4 months were over .805!)

 

2015: He only played more than 6 games in 2 months- 1.163 and .739 (both not bad to great)

 

[moonslav59]

Agreed. The only reason I track the stats that way is to show how hot he gets over a period of 30 days or so. If he OPS'd about 800, no one would complain about him.

 

3 months over .770 last year.

 

4 months over .805 in 2016.

 

1 of 2 months over 1.000 in 2015.

 

That's 8 of 14 his last 14 months over .770 and 7 of 14 over .805.

 

Yes, maybe just one "great 30-day period" a year, but it's not like he always sucks the rest of the year.

 

He's only been under .731 in 4 of the last 14 months.

[kenmeister]

It was one of his most consistent season. Too bad it was not very good offensively. However, he did have clear good months and clear bad ones, once again.

.596 APR

.808 May

1.009 June

.596 July

.770 Aug

.517 Sept

 

Yes, he seems to have 1 good/great month per season, but he usually has 1-2 good to decent ones mixed in as well;

 

2017: 1.009 in June, but also .808 and .770. (That's half the months over .770)

 

2016: 1.175 in May, but also .839, .807, .805 and .731 (hardly a one good month season, as 4 months were over .805!)

 

2015: He only played more than 6 games in 2 months- 1.163 and .739 (both not bad to great)

 

 

Wow that is interesting when you break it down by month like that.

[moonslav59]

Wow that is interesting when you break it down by month like that.

 

Monthly stats can be deceiving, but yes, they are interesting.

[mvp 78]

Monthly stats can be deceiving, but yes, they are interesting.

 

Monthly stats are more deceiving when your starting points are exactly the first and last of a month.

[S5Dewey]

Once again I get how some of you view spring training results but really did that box score today tell me that Travis just hit his 5th home run of the spring? Now it is starting to get interesting.

 

Yes, he hit #5 today and it was a monster shot over everything. It looked like the Instant Replay of #4.

 

I keep hearing that he adjusted his swing some last season to get more of an uppercut and if so it worked. He's squaring up the ball better now and every AB has become an adventure for opposing pitchers.

[Spudboy]

I'm watching the other Sox play Texas.

 

So far today Moncada has struck out looking on 3 pitches, singled to center to score a run, and doubled to left scoring three.

 

Of course he pulled a Moncada by falling asleep off the 3rd base bag and got picked-off to end a rally.

 

Doug Fister started for Texas and while I can't say that he got shelled, he did get beat up by a bunch of singles.

[moonslav59]

Monthly stats are more deceiving when your starting points are exactly the first and last of a month.

 

Is it any more deceiving than cherry-picking start and stop signs to make your point?

 

Your point is well-taken. JBJ clearly has one 30 day very hot streak every year since becoming a regular.

 

However, he's had decent to good stretches outside that 30-day stretch that you link to his cold stretches to make it look like he sucks 150 days a year and is great for just 30.

[Bellhorn04]

Once again I get how some of you view spring training results but really did that box score today tell me that Travis just hit his 5th home run of the spring? Now it is starting to get interesting.

 

I think spring training stats mean a lot more for guys like Travis and Swihart than they do for proven players.

[cp176]

I think spring training stats mean a lot more for guys like Travis and Swihart than they do for proven players.

 

I agree. It just kind of looks like we have a small surplus of pretty talented players here. It does make it a little tougher for guys like Travis and Swihart to get the opportunities they need to showcase what they can do. Have to admit - I'm anxious to see guys like these two play. they will get their chances - hope they are ready. Oh and for what it's worth, Moreland continues to plod along doing what he has always done. I like his game and I like the player.

[Kimmi]

I don't see much point in sweating the Hanley option at this point. If he stays healthy, fields his position competently, and can be the same type of offensive force he was in 2016, he's going to play, the option will likely vest, and I doubt very many will find grounds to complain about it; if those things don't happen, we have a competent safety net in place (Moreland) plus an interesting prospect option waiting in the wings (Travis), and Ramirez will deservedly find himself playing a lot less. Guessing from his comments at the beginning of the spring, Hanley probably understands this better than anyone and should be highly motivated to succeed.

 

Benching him for purely financial reasons when he's producing on the field would sit wrong with me, but it's difficult to see that happening. This is a team that's built to win now, and if he's the best option any given day, he needs to play -- and we'll figure out 2019 later.

 

Once again, very well said. I agree completely.

[Kimmi]

remind me when HanRam has ever made a fuss whilst wearing a Red Sox uniform?

 

Exactly. The guy has done everything the Sox have asked him to do, and has done so without complaining.

 

Personally, I hope he has a monster year.

[Kimmi]

I'm not saying he hasn't, I'm just saying that there's a possibility of him making a fuss if the Sox do some f***ery with his ab's towards the end of the year.

 

Anything is possible, but by all accounts, Hanley knows exactly what the situation is. He realizes that if he isn't hitting, he's not getting the at bats. I don't see him making a fuss if he is being treated fairly in terms of the # of at bats he gets.

 

Now if he's killing the ball and the Sox bench him with the sole intent of not letting his option vest, I think Hanley would have a reason to fuss, no?

[moonslav59]

I don't see much point in sweating the Hanley option at this point. If he stays healthy, fields his position competently, and can be the same type of offensive force he was in 2016, he's going to play, the option will likely vest, and I doubt very many will find grounds to complain about it..

 

I'll be complaining, because I'll have very little confidence he will have back-to-back good+ seasons.

 

The second reason will be that, even after a hypothetical good+ season this year, he still won'tbe worth close to $22M in 2019, a year where our budget will be even tighter than this year.

 

[Bellhorn04]

I am also of the mind that if Hanley is having an excellent season, you forget the option and let the chips fall where they may. In a small window, every year is huge, and you have to take your shot when it's there.