Stanton: I KNEW there was a reason I didn't like Jeter!

[cp176]

Jeter is a 4% owner - what makes you think he's the one calling the shots?

 

My point exactly. he may appear as the face of the org. but really I doubt seriously his voice is as powerful as some think it is.

[jacksonianmarch]

He negotiated his terms as president of baseball operations. He is technically the baseball ops guy

[moonslav59]

Jeter is a 4% owner - what makes you think he's the one calling the shots?

 

He's not the one saying they need to cut $30M, but he's the one doing it (and then more).

[jacksonianmarch]

That’s how a hierarchy works. The owners including Jeter set the budget. It’s on Jeter to execute the budget

[Bellhorn04]

He's not the one saying they need to cut $30M, but he's the one doing it (and then more).

 

Some of the stories I'm finding say they planned to cut the payroll by as much as $60 million.

[Bellhorn04]

The consensus of the stories seems to be they planned to cut the payroll by 30 million if they couldn't trade Stanton, but that they were going to try to trade him as well, bringing the total slash up to 55 or 60 million.

[jacksonianmarch]

Here’s the rub. The team was hemorrhaging money. If they were to be good, they’d need to spend another $40+ mil on their rotation. The Marlins fans have proven that they don’t come out for winners or losers, so there’s be literally no ROI on a further monetary commitment. Once they decided they had to slash payroll, a full on rebuild is all they could do. I’d deal everyone. I’d lose for three or fours years, nab high picks, use the extra INTL money and do a full on rebuild. All the while enjoying a positive ROI after spending an obscene amount for the acquisition.

[Slasher9]

That’s how a hierarchy works. The owners including Jeter set the budget. It’s on Jeter to execute the budget

 

seriously...it's bad enough to read all the f***ing "Yankees are the best at everything" posts on a Red Sox board....now we have to read your sucking off Jeter / Marlins ******** as well???

awesome..

[jacksonianmarch]

seriously...it's bad enough to read all the f***ing "Yankees are the best at everything" posts on a Red Sox board....now we have to read your sucking off Jeter / Marlins ******** as well???

awesome..

 

Well, I wonder if you can read at all. You don't seem to listen or care about reality, but I'll try one more time. The former president of the Marlins was on the baseball show on XM radio. He said the Marlins lost money 3 years running, and by lost money, he insinuated it was 8 figures annually. The 2017 Marlins team was not good. It had good hitting and no pitching whatsoever. They were already getting more expensive. The new owners decided that they didn't want to lose every penny spent beyond their current commitments since they weren't going to increase revenue. They decided to sell. I am not defending anyone. I am just trying to point out that baseball is a business and expecting business owners to lose tens of millions of dollars a year is asinine

[Slasher9]

Based on our current President of Operations i do not judge that position to be truthful so i dont believe a word of the "lost money 3 years running" nonsense. there are dozens of stories by dozens of writers of dozens of newspapers that all say the same thing....Jeter got fleeced or was in cahoots with the NYY. google it.....

everyone on the planet when the contract was signed knew that Giancarlo would be traded due to the backend $ increase of the contract. Jeter gave him to the yankees. perhaps is was retribution for allowing him to play ss after he threw the hissy fit when arod was traded for. whatever the reason...it's a bad look for derek.

[sk7326]

Well, I wonder if you can read at all. You don't seem to listen or care about reality, but I'll try one more time. The former president of the Marlins was on the baseball show on XM radio. He said the Marlins lost money 3 years running, and by lost money, he insinuated it was 8 figures annually. The 2017 Marlins team was not good. It had good hitting and no pitching whatsoever. They were already getting more expensive. The new owners decided that they didn't want to lose every penny spent beyond their current commitments since they weren't going to increase revenue. They decided to sell. I am not defending anyone. I am just trying to point out that baseball is a business and expecting business owners to lose tens of millions of dollars a year is asinine

 

The former president of the Marlins certainly has reason to say they were losing money while running the grift of tax payers and largely pocketing competitive balance money.

 

Given that the ownership group got greenlighted - that they would want to clear payroll does make sense. What makes less sense was putting the baseball operation in the hands of somebody with no background in any of the work such as Yeah Jeets - aside from brand recognition (which is something).

 

The bigger question was how MLB greenlighted a sale to a group with so comincally uncapitalized that their first move after buying the team was firing or selling off everybody who fans might want to see for 35 cents on the dollar despite having a new stadium more or less built for them.

[jacksonianmarch]

sk, you win the day. I cannot begrudge the decision to sell. I cannot begrudge Jeter for what he had to do. But I can begrudge the Marlins from asking Jeter to run an organization with no front office experience

[moonslav59]

All along, I've been saying Stanton will not bring as big of a return as most think, but this was ridiculous. Jeter blew it by rushing the decision and allowing Stanton to narrow the choice to basically 1 team as the other 3 on GS's list were not serious bidders.

[Bellhorn04]

All along, I've been saying Stanton will not bring as big of a return as most think, but this was ridiculous. Jeter blew it by rushing the decision and allowing Stanton to narrow the choice to basically 1 team as the other 3 on GS's list were not serious bidders.

 

How many serious bidders were there that Stanton wanted to play for? The Dodgers apparently made a worse offer than the Yanks.

[moonslav59]

How many serious bidders were there that Stanton wanted to play for?

 

He'd have widened the teams, once he started the season in Miami.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Dodgers offer was real bad

[Bellhorn04]

He'd have widened the teams, once he started the season in Miami.

 

The Marlins didn't want to dick around with such scenarios for the sake of possibly getting a little more for him.

[jacksonianmarch]

Also, the Marlins didn't want to risk Stanton getting hurt or slumping and losing value

[cp176]

Also, the Marlins didn't want to risk Stanton getting hurt or slumping and losing value

 

Which is a legitimate risk when you have a fairly young guy who has missed as much game time as he has.

[moonslav59]

Jete got hosed. He couldn't have done any worse by waiting.

 

He let GS play him and he got screwed.

[jacksonianmarch]

I disagree. I think Jeter got as good a deal as he was going to get. Knowing the deals offered from the only other team on his wish list to offer, the NYY offer was far and away the best. If Stanton played, suffered a concussion and missed seasons due to post concussion syndrome, then the Marlins would be eating a contract that will in all likelihood, exceed their entire team salary on an annual basis going forward

[Kimmi]

Jete got hosed. He couldn't have done any worse by waiting.

 

He let GS play him and he got screwed.

 

That's part of the problem. Jeter let Stanton have the upper hand. As an owner, you can't let that happen.

[Hitch]

I disagree. I think Jeter got as good a deal as he was going to get. Knowing the deals offered from the only other team on his wish list to offer, the NYY offer was far and away the best. If Stanton played, suffered a concussion and missed seasons due to post concussion syndrome, then the Marlins would be eating a contract that will in all likelihood, exceed their entire team salary on an annual basis going forward

 

It's interesting to have watched you jump from a poster absolutely delighted with the trade and considering it a steal for the Yanks, to falling over yourself to say Jeter got a good deal.

 

I don't buy into the conspiracy theories on this, but you're happily playing both sides here.

[Bellhorn04]

Jete got hosed. He couldn't have done any worse by waiting.

 

He let GS play him and he got screwed.

 

Yes, he could have done worse. He risked Stanton's value dropping. How much higher can your value be than after hitting 59 homers and winning MVP?

 

If you have him stay on a shell of a team he might be very disgruntled and it could affect his play.

 

A lot of bad stuff could happen, not much good.

 

No teams even claimed him on waivers this year, as you recall, and that was of course in the midst of pennant races.

 

What teams exactly do you think would have been added to the mix?

[moonslav59]

Yes, he could have done worse. He risked Stanton's value dropping. How much higher can your value be than after hitting 59 homers and winning MVP?

 

If you have him stay on a shell of a team he might be very disgruntled and it could affect his play.

 

A lot of bad stuff could happen, not much good.

 

No teams even claimed him on waivers this year, as you recall, and that was of course in the midst of pennant races.

 

What teams exactly do you think would have been added to the mix?

 

He got crap for GS.

 

What's worse than crap?

 

I've been saying for weeks and weeks that Stanton was not going to bring back a huge haul. Just about everyone was expecting much more than what Jeter got. Even the SFG offer was reportedly much better.

 

I stand by my position.

 

The odds were much greater he could have gotten more by expanding the list of suitors and not letting Gs run the show.

 

GS would have begged to be traded once Gordon and Ozuna were traded away. He'd have expanded his list to 16 teams. I have no doubt.

 

He wanted out of Miami and that was more important than essentially choosing 2 teams only.

[jacksonianmarch]

It's interesting to have watched you jump from a poster absolutely delighted with the trade and considering it a steal for the Yanks, to falling over yourself to say Jeter got a good deal.

 

I don't buy into the conspiracy theories on this, but you're happily playing both sides here.

 

He did not get a good deal. He got the best deal he could get. The previous ownership gave GS a no trade. Once you do that, you lose all leverage.

[moonslav59]

He did not get a good deal. He got the best deal he could get. The previous ownership gave GS a no trade. Once you do that, you lose all leverage.

 

Not true. The leverage was to tell GS he's staying with a losing team for 3 more years before his opt-out.

 

He'd come begging for a trade to any place competitive or more commercially lucrative to his "brand".

[jacksonianmarch]

Or he’d get hurt and becomes entirely untradeable. There is a reason Jeter came out and said that Stanton will be traded at the outset. The ownership group deemed his contract too much of a liability to keep and too big of a risk to drag out.

[moonslav59]

Or he’d get hurt and becomes entirely untradeable. There is a reason Jeter came out and said that Stanton will be traded at the outset. The ownership group deemed his contract too much of a liability to keep and too big of a risk to drag out.

 

Actually, what was said was they had to cut $30M. They cut that with Ozuna, Gordon and Vargas. He could have told GS, we might keep you, since we cut what we needed to cut. look at Yelich and their catcher begging to be traded now. That could have been GS, too had jeter had half a brain and 1/4 guts.

[sk7326]

He'd have widened the teams, once he started the season in Miami.

 

Stanton drove the train here. Which made the fairly widely reported idea that Yeah Jeets did not contact him early on a very questionable move. Now, it might not have helped - but then celebrating your acquisition of the team by doing no media, running off Jeff Conine and then not contacting the soon to be MVP is a bit odd.