Yankees 2017-2018 Hot Stove

[jacksonianmarch]

Absolutely. I think he was sick of being burned by kids with $10 million arms or bats and 10 cent heads. Every system has its share of knuckleheads, but his recent drafts have seemed to shy away from those types. I think he was sick of the Heathcott/Mateo's of the world

[Carpin]

Absolutely. I think he was sick of being burned by kids with $10 million arms or bats and 10 cent heads. Every system has its share of knuckleheads, but his recent drafts have seemed to shy away from those types. I think he was sick of the Heathcott/Mateo's of the world

 

Yes, that might be difference in the farm system, compared to previous years.

[jacksonianmarch]

I am incredibly excited to see what this offense can do. I do hope that we end up with Torres and Andujar at the big league level and the powerful 1-7 in the lineup can carry these kids while they figure it out. I was looking at the offense one more time and the amount of power is impressive.

 

Gardner 20HR power

Judge 50HR power

Stanton 50HR power

Sanchez 35-40HR power

Bird 30-35 HR power

Gregorius 25HR power

Hicks 20-25HR power

 

Just the homer hitters alone from 1-7 can reasonably club 240 HR on their own let alone backups and the kids and that’s a pretty conservative estimate barring poor health. They can carry Torres if his bat is behind or Andujar even if his glove is lagging. There has never been a better time to break in rookies

[jacksonianmarch]

Sounds like the Yankees are negotiating with Darvish. They feel they can get him under $100 mil guaranteed for a 5 year deal. If they can do it, then go for it. If that is the case, I deal off Ellsbury if I can and if not, I deal off Robertson for something of value.

[moonslav59]

Sounds like the Yankees are negotiating with Darvish. They feel they can get him under $100 mil guaranteed for a 5 year deal. If they can do it, then go for it. If that is the case, I deal off Ellsbury if I can and if not, I deal off Robertson for something of value.

 

If the Yanks can get darvish for under $100M/5, the Sox should offer $105M/5, and then sign Morrison to $30M/2. That's about what JD might get combined..

[jacksonianmarch]

If this is the case, then our rotation would be further bolstered. A rotation of

 

Severino

Darvish

Tanaka

Gray

Sabathia/Montgomery

 

That’d be dynamite

[Carpin]

I got an idea from a different site

 

The Guardians lost Santana and Shaw to FA, there's obviously an opening in the BP and 1B, there are talks f moving Brantley to 1B/DH duties which solves the hole left by Santana.

 

What about the following trade proposal?

 

Frazier + Betances for Danny Salazar

 

Frazier can fight for an OF spot and Betances can fill in for Shaw in the BP.

 

For the Yankees Salazar is the Depth they have been looking for in the rotation, if healthy, Salazar is electric. I would do that trade from the Yanks perspective, don't know if the Guardians bite will.

[jacksonianmarch]

I wouldn’t deal Frazier for Salazar, that’s about it. Salazar is not a pre arb player yet he’s got the worth of one for now. Insane ceiling, but can’t stay healthy and can’t find the plate

[Carpin]

I wouldn’t deal Frazier for Salazar, that’s about it. Salazar is not a pre arb player yet he’s got the worth of one for now. Insane ceiling, but can’t stay healthy and can’t find the plate

 

We have no use for Frazier right now, I understand Salazar is injury prone, but his upside is enormous.

 

What do you mean by "can't find the plate"?

BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB

Severino 2.4 10.7 4.46

Tanaka 2.1 9.8 4.67

Grey 3.7 8.1 2.19

Salazar 3.8 12.7 3.34

Cole 2.4 8.7 3.63

 

Those are 2017 numbers, I understand he's not in Tanaka/Severino level but he's ratio is very close to Gerrit Cole, which was our trade target not long ago.

[bkzwhitestrican]

If I'm going for a Cleveland pitcher I prefer Churrasco over Saladbar.

 

Anyway I know this is not something any Yankees fan wants to hear but I think the best option if they're serious about getting another SP is signing Darvish and trading Gardner to make cap room. We have a glut of OFers and nobody is gonna take on Ellsbury's contract.

[Carpin]

The Guardians will not trade Carrasco he's an anchor in the rotation.

 

I agree abut trading Gardner over Ellsbury, as much as I love Gardner is the only doable trade involving a veteran Of for the Yanks

[jacksonianmarch]

I deal Robertson. Our pen is loaded and spending $14 mil on a 34 yr old setup man seems redundant

[Carpin]

I deal Robertson. Our pen is loaded and spending $14 mil on a 34 yr old setup man seems redundant

 

It's not a bad idea to trade DRob, but we might need to eat some salary if the deal is with the Guardians or any other low market team

[Bellhorn04]

I deal Robertson. Our pen is loaded and spending $14 mil on a 34 yr old setup man seems redundant

 

Please do!

 

He's a money pitcher in my books.

[jacksonianmarch]

He is. If we can get Betances back on track, though, which I think is eminently possible, it’s a redundancy that we don’t need. It’s a nice to have. Look at our pen currently.

 

Chapman

Betances

Kahnle

Green

Warren

Robertson

Shreve

 

And behind them we have a cavalcade of relievers with high 90s heat and a stable of starters in the minors that we could break into the bigs as relievers later in the year. If we sign Darvish for $19-$20 mil a season and we need to shed salary, then KRob has to be on the table. Clearly Ellsbury is dump #1, but if we don’t get the chance to do that, I’d look at KRob. And KRob could bring back something significant in a trade

[Bellhorn04]

He is. If we can get Betances back on track, though, which I think is eminently possible, it’s a redundancy that we don’t need. It’s a nice to have. Look at our pen currently.

 

Chapman

Betances

Kahnle

Green

Warren

Robertson

Shreve

 

And behind them we have a cavalcade of relievers with high 90s heat and a stable of starters in the minors that we could break into the bigs as relievers later in the year. If we sign Darvish for $19-$20 mil a season and we need to shed salary, then KRob has to be on the table. Clearly Ellsbury is dump #1, but if we don’t get the chance to do that, I’d look at KRob. And KRob could bring back something significant in a trade

 

'Cavalcade' - excellent word. Although I don't really like seeing it in this context LOL

[Kimmi]

'Cavalcade' - excellent word. Although I don't really like seeing it in this context LOL

 

Don't encourage him, Bell.

[jacksonianmarch]

We actually do have a ton of high velocity talent. From relievers Feyereisen, Gallegos, Coshow and Holder to starters like Sheffield, Adams, Cessa, German, and Acevedo, we have a ridiculous amount of pitching talent and it all throws hard. We can replace KRob, maybe not completely, but we might sacrifice 0.3 WAR in doing so, which isn’t all that huge. Add in a likely return to prominence of Betances and bigger roles for Warren and Green and we should be able to alter the pecking order. We would also be able to get good prospects for Robertson

[jacksonianmarch]

Yankees made a signing!

 

Danny Espinosa, um, yeah, I'm not excited at all. He has power, but cannot hit for average, doesn't walk and K's a ton. He does play good defense at 2b, so he can be a s***** veteran fallback option should every other Yankee 2b get Ebola

[bkzwhitestrican]

He's a worse Stephen Drew. And possibly a worse Pete Kozma.

[jacksonianmarch]

He’s a bit better than Kuzma as that guy had no hit tool or power. But let’s be honest, the guy sucks

[Meh]

I deal Robertson. Our pen is loaded and spending $14 mil on a 34 yr old setup man seems redundant

 

I'd deal him too, but I'd only consider a top 50 prospect plus something else.

 

Flaherty and Perez from the Cards.

 

Soto from the Nationals.

 

I'd love to see another buy low trade, Profar would still be my choice for a pick up.

[moonslav59]

HRam, $10M and Holt for Robertson.

 

[Carpin]

HRam, $10M and Holt for Robertson.

 

 

You haven't lost your sense of humor

[moonslav59]

You haven't lost your sense of humor

 

Okay, okay, we'll add Marrero or Johnson- your choice!

 

[Carpin]

Okay, okay, we'll add Marrero or Johnson- your choice!

 

 

I'm in..... if you take that albatross called Ellsbury and his contract

 

hahaha

[jacksonianmarch]

I anticipate that the Ellsbury market might heat up once JD signs and once the secondary pieces move. I do think we can offload Ellsbury, but his NTC will be an issue. I know we will likely have to eat 2/3 of his contract and might use a prospect to get that down to 1/2. Either way, nothing will move until JD, Morrison, Duda, and everyone else moves.

[jacksonianmarch]

Also, if I were to deal KRob, I would absolutely look to bring back a top prospect. KRob had a dynamite season last year. I could see a match with the Cardinals

[notin]

I anticipate that the Ellsbury market might heat up once JD signs and once the secondary pieces move. I do think we can offload Ellsbury, but his NTC will be an issue. I know we will likely have to eat 2/3 of his contract and might use a prospect to get that down to 1/2. Either way, nothing will move until JD, Morrison, Duda, and everyone else moves.

 

There really is no Ellsbury market to heat up.

 

Why would any team was a rapidly declining 34yo centerfielder even for $7mill per year for 3 years? Teams know they can get Jarrod Dyson for less and has the added bonus of actually being able to play CF.

 

Or teams can trade for cheaper, higher ceiling options from Milwaukee (Broxton,, Phillips).

 

Ellsbury's is yours. Unless you can convince the Dodgers to deal Matt Kemp for him...

Edited February 3, 2018 by notin

[jacksonianmarch]

Ellsbury posted a positive UZR/150 in CF as recent as 2016, so it’s not that he cannot play the position. He’s at best average and more likely slightly below average defensively in CF. He scored a 1.6WAR last yr in 2/3 a season which would put him at 2.4 WAR if projected over a full season. He has value. He’s just not nearly as valuable as the other OFers on this club