Fire alex cora

[Elktonnick]

Cora had a good rapport with his players too. And what makes you think that Cora doesn't have a good rapport with Bloom? Cora and Bloom are more alike than Cora and Dombrowski are.

Bloom isn't DD. Cora really was never in a position to have a relationship with him. I understand the wishful thinking of everyone who wants Cora to return but that is all it is wishful thinking. Moreover neither side has made any statement that indicates that either wishes such a reunion.

[mvp 78]

Alex Trabek mentions the 3 p's of buying life insurance on the commercials well the same is true in baseball, pitching, pitching and pitching.

 

Funny. I was just revisiting lots of posts from 2012 and people over and over were saying "the Sox have no pitching, they'll never get close to another ring." One year later, with the same pitching staff plus Koji, they win it all by adding some bats like Napoli, Gomes, Victorino, Carp, Drew and Ross.

[mvp 78]

Cora had a good rapport with his players too. And what makes you think that Cora doesn't have a good rapport with Bloom? Cora and Bloom are more alike than Cora and Dombrowski are.

 

Some people go straight to the NY media to get their hot Boston Red Sox takes for some reason. Not that the NY media would want to downplay the Sox chances or anything...

[Elktonnick]

For you anti NY media snobs here is an article on point from a Massachustts media outlet which basically says what I have been saying.

 

 

 

By Chris Cotillo | ccotillo@MassLive.com

Asked Wednesday night if Alex Cora deserved a second chance at managing in the majors, Red Sox president and CEO Sam Kennedy gave the same answer he did at the press conference announcing the club was parting ways with Cora in January.

“I do. That’s my personal feeling," Kennedy said. “He does need to go through a rehabilitation process. What he did was wrong. He acknowledged that to us and apologized to us for that. I’m a big believer in second chances.”For those who believe Ron Roenicke is simply keeping Cora’s seat warm until 2021, the question is whether or not Chaim Bloom and the team’s owners will be willing to welcome Cora back just a year after he left the team in disgrace. The better question might be whether Cora himself wants to come back.

 

Yes, Cora loved his time in Boston and even referred to his two-year managerial tenure as the “best years of his life” when he was let go in January. But after everything that has happened in the last six months, it’s fair to wonder if a fresh start might be best for the former infielder as he looks to launch Phase 2 of his post-playing career. It’s unfair to assume Cora will simply emerge from a year in timeout, show up on Jersey Street and to bow to the Red Sox behemoth, ready to reassume his old post like nothing happened.Cora has worn many hats since retiring in 2011, working as an ESPN analyst and serving as Puerto Rico’s GM for the World Baseball Classic before finding his way back into the majors as the Astros bench coach in 2017 and eventually the Red Sox manager a year later. But he’s still young (he doesn’t turn 45 until October) and, assuming teams are willing to accept his apology for his role in Houston’s scandal, looks to have a long career ahead of him in baseball.

 

The restart for that career might not take place in the Red Sox’ dugout-- or any dugout at all. Cora has long expressed a desire to work in a front office and is known to have ambitions to one day become a team’s general manager.The path to GM, at least in the short-term, might be easier than the path back to a managerial gig. Cora has close friends working for teams throughout the league and teams will likely find hiring him much more palatable if his work happens far away from the in-game action that led to his temporary downfall. A return to TV -- where he thrived from 2013 to 2016 -- is a possible gateway for a comeback as well and would allow for a smoother transition than hiding for a year and popping right back into a forward-facing role with a club.

Late in his Red Sox tenure, Cora often talked about the grind of the job and how difficult it was to go through the 162-game grind with twin babies at home. Now, Cora’s twins are two years old and it’s possible Cora will want a job that will make it easier to watch them grow up.

 

Both Kennedy and Bloom said Wednesday’s exoneration didn’t change anything in regards to the team’s relationship with Cora, whose ouster had everything to do with his actions in Houston and nothing to do with what he may have done in Boston. The factors that led to the decision in January, Bloom said, still apply. And Roenicke, who had his interim tag removed earlier Wednesday, is the manager now and until someone says otherwise.

 

Considering Roenicke’s contract only runs through 2020, that “otherwise” might come sooner rather than later. But it won’t be as simple as Bloom calling Cora up, inviting him back and immediately getting a yes. Cora is, as Bloom said Wednesday, a complex person, and he’ll likely consider a wide range of factors as he plans what the rest of his career will look like.

 

Cora began the process of owning up to his misdeeds by releasing a statement Wednesday night. It’s important not to forget the end of that process will be completely up to him, too.

[mvp 78]

And Cotillo's article (which has already been posted here) doesn't provide an argument that "makes it appear highly unlikely that Cora will be returning to Boston."

 

The hardest your boy Chris came with was "it’s fair to wonder if a fresh start might be best." Ouch! Got 'em!

[Elktonnick]

And Cotillo's article (which has already been posted here) doesn't provide an argument that "makes it appear highly unlikely that Cora will be returning to Boston."

 

The hardest your boy Chris came with was "it’s fair to wonder if a fresh start might be best." Ouch! Got 'em!

 

No s*** Sherlock. But it refutes your New York meme. The NY Post merely reported the same thing that was reported out of Mass. BTW I never said that CORA wasn't going back to Boston but merely that he was unlikely to do so. A summary of Cora's own words and a logical inference from Bloom's statements leads to a very reasonable opinion that neither party is rushing to a reunion. Cora flat out says that he wants to try other things. I repeat for all you star crossed Cora lovers you are indulging in wishful thinking because you are grieving that your love is not chafing at the bit to return to Boston. Keep the torch light burning.

[mvp 78]

No s*** Sherlock. But it refutes your New York meme. The NY Post merely reported the same thing that was reported out of Mass. BTW I never said that CORA wasn't going back to Boston but merely that he was unlikely to do so. A summary of Cora's own words and a logical inference from Bloom's statements leads to a very reasonable opinion that neither party is rushing to a reunion. Cora flat out says that he wants to try other things. I repeat for all you star crossed Cora lovers you are indulging in wishful thinking because you are grieving that your love is not chafing at the bit to return to Boston. Keep the torch light burning.

 

You said "highly unlikely." Nothing you've shown states that it's "highly unlikely."

[Bellhorn04]

No s*** Sherlock. But it refutes your New York meme. The NY Post merely reported the same thing that was reported out of Mass. BTW I never said that CORA wasn't going back to Boston but merely that he was unlikely to do so. A summary of Cora's own words and a logical inference from Bloom's statements leads to a very reasonable opinion that neither party is rushing to a reunion. Cora flat out says that he wants to try other things. I repeat for all you star crossed Cora lovers you are indulging in wishful thinking because you are grieving that your love is not chafing at the bit to return to Boston. Keep the torch light burning.

 

LOL your agenda is showing now.

[mvp 78]

LOL your agenda is showing now.

 

I stopped reading after "no s*** Sherlock" because he's not really known for his wit.

 

Getting ready to pound that "report post" button................................................................................

[Elktonnick]

You said "highly unlikely." Nothing you've shown states that it's "highly unlikely."

 

I know you are incapable of understanding this but highly unlikely doesn't mean that he is never coming back but rather that the current statements of both Cora and Bloom means that no one is calling for his return. No one is saying that we got to get Cora back. And I believe Cora when he says he may do other things. Now you can disagree. But you can cite nothing any one in either the media or with the Boston Red Sox or in Cora's camp that has said that Cora is coming back. In the absence of such statements you have no basis to conclude that he is likely to return other than your grief at his loss.

[Elktonnick]

LOL your agenda is showing now.

 

What agenda that I don't cry that a cheater is not coming back.

[Elktonnick]

I stopped reading after "no s*** Sherlock" because he's not really known for his wit.

 

Getting ready to pound that "report post" button................................................................................

 

Rather be humorless and have no wit than be a half wit.

[mvp 78]

Rather be humorless and have no wit than be a half wit.

 

I'd rather have half a wit than no wit. To each his own.

[mvp 78]

I know you are incapable of understanding this but highly unlikely doesn't mean that he is never coming back but rather that the current statements of both Cora and Bloom means that no one is calling for his return. No one is saying that we got to get Cora back. And I believe Cora when he says he may do other things. Now you can disagree. But you can cite nothing any one in either the media or with the Boston Red Sox or in Cora's camp that has said that Cora is coming back. In the absence of such statements you have no basis to conclude that he is likely to return other than your grief at his loss.

 

Nothing you presented comes to the conclusion that it's "highly" likely he won't be back. It just says there's a chance he won't come back.

 

Sorry if the media aren't falling in line with your weird "cheating" stance. Cora wasn't involved in cheating here, but you won't recognized that. Cora was a fall guy in HOU because he was no longer with the organization. All the leaks that came out have stated that the Astros cheating began before Cora was even there. That would just require some critical thinking and reevaluation on your part.

[Elktonnick]

I'd rather have half a wit than no wit. To each his own.

 

Well we agree then you are half witted.😄

[Elktonnick]

Nothing you presented comes to the conclusion that it's "highly" likely he won't be back. It just says there's a chance he won't come back.

 

Sorry if the media aren't falling in line with your weird "cheating" stance. Cora wasn't involved in cheating here, but you won't recognized that. Cora was a fall guy in HOU because he was no longer with the organization. All the leaks that came out have stated that the Astros cheating began before Cora was even there. That would just require some critical thinking and reevaluation on your part.

Yes a fall guy that got suspended and fired from Boston for his misconduct. Poor Alex.

[Kimmi]

Bloom isn't DD. Cora really was never in a position to have a relationship with him. I understand the wishful thinking of everyone who wants Cora to return but that is all it is wishful thinking. Moreover neither side has made any statement that indicates that either wishes such a reunion.

 

No, it's more than just wishful thinking. Now I'm not saying that it's definitely going to happen, but there are reasons to believe that there is a good chance that it does happen.

[Kimmi]

Some people go straight to the NY media to get their hot Boston Red Sox takes for some reason. Not that the NY media would want to downplay the Sox chances or anything...

 

They could just ask Jacko. He could tell them the same thing.

[Kimmi]

No s*** Sherlock. But it refutes your New York meme. The NY Post merely reported the same thing that was reported out of Mass. BTW I never said that CORA wasn't going back to Boston but merely that he was unlikely to do so. A summary of Cora's own words and a logical inference from Bloom's statements leads to a very reasonable opinion that neither party is rushing to a reunion. Cora flat out says that he wants to try other things. I repeat for all you star crossed Cora lovers you are indulging in wishful thinking because you are grieving that your love is not chafing at the bit to return to Boston. Keep the torch light burning.

 

As MVP pointed out, neither Cora nor Bloom are going to undermine Roenicke's position this year by stating their desire for a reunion.

[Elktonnick]

As MVP pointed out, neither Cora nor Bloom are going to undermine Roenicke's position this year by stating their desire for a reunion.

Expressing a desire to return to Boston would hardly undermine Roenicke. I think it is fairly obvious to anyone who looking at the situation objectively that Bloom would prefer that Cora manage if he does manage again, elsewhere. I accept Cora's statements at face value. I can understand why he would want to do something other than manage.

I hate to shatter your wishes but Cora isn't going to manage in Boston anytime soon.

[Thunder]

I don't want Cora back, because of what he is associated with in Houston. And I'm not convinced he would even want to come back

[Elktonnick]

I don't want Cora back, because of what he is associated with in Houston. And I'm not convinced he would even want to come back

 

Amen

[Kimmi]

I don't want Cora back, because of what he is associated with in Houston. And I'm not convinced he would even want to come back

 

And yet you completely excuse Springer.

[Thunder]

And yet you completely excuse Springer.

 

He wasn't organizing it. I haven't read the report, because quite frankly, I'm not interested in that, but if I do read it, or if somebody else points out to me something that directly incriminates Springer, my opinion of him will change.

 

My point about Cora not wanting to come back still stands, however. Why is everybody so certain he's going to want to come back?

[Elktonnick]

He wasn't organizing it. I haven't read the report, because quite frankly, I'm not interested in that, but if I do read it, or if somebody else points out to me something that directly incriminates Springer, my opinion of him will change.

 

My point about Cora not wanting to come back still stands, however. Why is everybody so certain he's going to want to come back?

 

Because they miss him and are grieving his loss.

[Thunder]

Because they miss him and are grieving his loss.

 

Precisely. If our front office hires him back, I will lose a great deal of respect for the organization

[Kimmi]

He wasn't organizing it. I haven't read the report, because quite frankly, I'm not interested in that, but if I do read it, or if somebody else points out to me something that directly incriminates Springer, my opinion of him will change.

 

My point about Cora not wanting to come back still stands, however. Why is everybody so certain he's going to want to come back?

 

Springer is just as guilty as Cora is. You are choosing to excuse Springer because you like him.

 

Maybe he doesn't want to come back. We don't know. But I bet that there's a better chance that he wants to come back than there is that he doesn't want to come back.

[Thunder]

Springer is just as guilty as Cora is. You are choosing to excuse Springer because you like him.

 

Maybe he doesn't want to come back. We don't know. But I bet that there's a better chance that he wants to come back than there is that he doesn't want to come back.

 

Like I said, show me something in the report that proves he is as guilty as Cora and I will gladly change my opinion on him. He's a personal hero of mine. That won't change, but I can be disappointed in something he did. I'm not familiar with the report so if there's something damning about him in there, please point it out to me

[Bellhorn04]

Like I said, show me something in the report that proves he is as guilty as Cora and I will gladly change my opinion on him. He's a personal hero of mine. That won't change, but I can be disappointed in something he did. I'm not familiar with the report so if there's something damning about him in there, please point it out to me

 

Manfred specifically excluded players from the report (except one mention of Beltran) and exempted them from penalties.

[Kimmi]

Like I said, show me something in the report that proves he is as guilty as Cora and I will gladly change my opinion on him. He's a personal hero of mine. That won't change, but I can be disappointed in something he did. I'm not familiar with the report so if there's something damning about him in there, please point it out to me

 

You are only kidding yourself if you don't think Springer participated in and benefited from the cheating. That makes him just as guilty as Cora.

 

Here is one case:

 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/11/astros-sign-stealing-cheating-video-george-springer-home-run-mets