Yankees deal for Gray

[jacksonianmarch]

I know this is in rumors, but it ain't a rumor no more. Sonny Gray, who's been a top of the rotation type pitcher in Oakland has been dealt. Sonny has seen his K rate rise and his peripherals improve this season after an array of injuries limited 2016 production. He should slot in behind Severino as our # 2 starter. I love the fact that we control him for two more seasons, especially since he's a high velo small framed pitcher.

 

Dustin Fowler is unfortunate. He's a 5 tool guy with plate discipline issues who is a cycle waiting to happen. His offense sans his speed is impressive, but his speed allowed his prospect status to take off. Nobody knows how his quickness will rebound post injury, as he did have quite possibly the worst injury you could have in the legs aside from dislocation of the knee

 

James Kaprielian is a high upside, high velo guy who lost two seasons of development due to a misdiagnosed elbow injury then subsequent surgery. He's got top notch stuff, but he's missed so much time that it's hard to determine what his stuff will look like once he's healthy.

 

Jorge Mateo was a frustrating prospect. He's got power projection, quick handed, good glove projection and speed to burn. But he's been dogged with attitude issues and is buried in terms of depth in the organization. He's got serious boom or bust potential if he gets his act straight.

 

We gave up serious talent, but all with warts. We'll see how that projects long term

[Carpin]

I like this deal a lot for the Yankees, as I said before two lottery tickets plus Mateo

 

Gray - If he can adjust to Yankee Stadium and stay healthy this is a steal for the Yankees

 

Fowler - Very unfortunate and heartbreaking what happened to this kid, all feelings aside the type of injury he had is serious and career threatening it's very hard to tell if he will recover to his previous form, this guy without the speed is average at best, even with the speed he might be only a regular major leaguer or a 4th outfielder. I really hope he fully recovers, he is a hard worker and you never bet against those guys

 

Kap - All the talent in the world, he has a better chance to recover, TJ has been almost a routine operation lately, still some never recover (about 15%), this guy is a true #1 SP prospect he could be the best value the A's got in this deal

 

Mateo - A blazing speed, developing power but with some big makeup issues, I think the Yanks elevated his value in the last month by promoting him to AA, If he puts everything together he's an above average ML player, I have serous doubts with him

 

 

After looking at this trade I love that Cashman didn't trade Florial and was able to sell high on Mateo, at this moment it looks like a huge win for the Yankees

[Northern Star]

No idea what Beane is doing. There was no urgency to trade Gray now, and getting two injured players in return, one coming off TJ is madness. I'm not sure what the true value of Gray was - he's under control but he's also got a big injury question mark. I think the As should have gotten something more in some respect, though.

[a700hitter]

Beane is an asshat who believes his own press clippings.

[jacksonianmarch]

Beane got more talent than he probably should have, but with the caveat of current injury looks large

[moonslav59]

I know we need a big bat more than a SP'er, but with what the Yanks paid for Gray and his 2.3 years of team control, we missed out on a great chance at improving our chances for the next 3 playoff cycles.

 

I've never been a DD fan, but I've wanted to give him a chance. I'm not happy after today.

 

[Spudboy]

Beane is an asshat who believes his own press clippings.

 

But he did get to f*** Angelina Jolie!

[a700hitter]

But he did get to f*** Angelina Jolie!

And cheated on her too!! He da man!

[Spudboy]

I know we need a big bat more than a SP'er, but with what the Yanks paid for Gray and his 2.3 years of team control, we missed out on a great chance at improving our chances for the next 3 playoff cycles.

 

I've never been a DD fan, but I've wanted to give him a chance. I'm not happy after today.

 

 

How would Gray have effected the cap for this year after we snagged two guys already?

[Spudboy]

And cheated on her too!! He da maing!

 

lol

 

 

Fixed that for you.

[Bellhorn04]

Looks like a very good deal for the Yanks. Cashman has been on a roll.

[a700hitter]

lol

 

 

fixed that for you.

lol!!

[Spudboy]

Looks like a very good deal for the Yanks. Cashman has been on a roll.

 

Yes he has been.

[Station 13]

Beano, your trade stinks, as usual.

[Jasonbay44]

I know we need a big bat more than a SP'er, but with what the Yanks paid for Gray and his 2.3 years of team control, we missed out on a great chance at improving our chances for the next 3 playoff cycles.

 

I've never been a DD fan, but I've wanted to give him a chance. I'm not happy after today.

 

Even with two of the prospects being injured, I don't see anyway the Sox could've beat that offer.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

A weird and interesting trade for both teams. The A's got back a lot of talent, but two of the prospects are injured. A high risk, high reward trade for the A's. But there are injury and durability concerns with S.Gray too and so including two injured prospects seems apropos in many ways. Mateo is a guy I left for dead but he has revived his career in double A, supposedly made a change to his leg kick. He has the ability to be an impact player at the major league level.

 

A better trade for Beane than the J.Donaldson disaster.

Edited August 1, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[jacksonianmarch]

I see Kap being the jewel for Beane. He's a game changing type of pitcher, but he hasn't been healthy. If he returns to pre injury levels, they have an ace

[jacksonianmarch]

But the development of our pitchers allowed Kap to be dealt. Dillon Tate, the 4th overall pick we got for Beltran last year has had his mechanics fixed and he is lighting up High A ball. He's got ace stuff. Domingo Acevedo throws 100mph with a plus change and developing curve. He's healthy and dominating AA. Chance Adams is dominating AAA. Justus Sheffield had a solid season in AA as a 20 yr old. Freicer Perez is a 6'8" monster who throws 100 as well and he's pitching well in A ball. With Sonny, Sevy and Montgomery already in the Bronx and it looking like Tanaka isn't opting out, I don't see how we have the room. Also, we have a dominant, lights out pen through 2018 with the first guy a FA in DRob after 2018. Kap was a luxury that we cashed in on

[Slasher9]

S. Gray meeting with Alex Rodriguez' cousin today.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Right after "strength training" with Manny and Papi

[moonslav59]

I see Kap being the jewel for Beane. He's a game changing type of pitcher, but he hasn't been healthy. If he returns to pre injury levels, they have an ace

 

Gray was well worth the risk of the three guys you gave up.

 

He may not work out, but he's a proven ace who has shown signs he's returning to form.

 

DD should have tried hard to beat the Yankees' offer. If we ended up with a glut of starters next year, we could always trade one for good prospects or trade one as part of a bigger package for a cost-controlled big bat..

[OH FOY]

Of all the moves yesterday, the Dodgers getting Darvish, was huge. When Kershaw comes back, that team is loaded. They really didn't give up their best Prospects for him either. Edited August 1, 2017 by OH FOY!

[Carpin]

Gray was well worth the risk of the three guys you gave up.

 

He may not work out, but he's a proven ace who has shown signs he's returning to form.

 

DD should have tried hard to beat the Yankees' offer. If we ended up with a glut of starters next year, we could always trade one for good prospects or trade one as part of a bigger package for a cost-controlled big bat..

 

With your current farm system, name a package better than the Yanks gave up, without including ML pieces; I'm not saying you don't have the prospects to pull it off, I just don't see how you can beat that without including ML talent or your best two prospects.

[Bellhorn04]

With your current farm system, name a package better than the Yanks gave up, without including ML pieces; I'm not saying you don't have the prospects to pull it off, I just don't see how you can beat that without including ML talent or your best two prospects.

 

That's my question too.

[moonslav59]

With your current farm system, name a package better than the Yanks gave up, without including ML pieces; I'm not saying you don't have the prospects to pull it off, I just don't see how you can beat that without including ML talent or your best two prospects.

 

We could have given Groome, Mata or Chavis, but I'm thinking this might have been enough:

 

Travis, Beeks, Lakins, Dalbec & Shawaryn

or

Ockimey, Beeks, Lakins, Shawaryn & Brannen

 

Oakland might also be interested in Holt, Marrero, Lin or Swihart

 

Word was, DD didn't even ask.

 

[Jasonbay44]

I don't think that would've been anywhere near enough. Yankees gave up three guys with all star potential, even with two of them being injured. Holt and Marrero don't have trade value.

[jacksonianmarch]

We could have given Groome, Mata or Chavis, but I'm thinking this might have been enough:

 

Travis, Beeks, Lakins, Dalbec & Shawaryn

or

Ockimey, Beeks, Lakins, Shawaryn & Brannen

 

Oakland might also be interested in Holt, Marrero, Lin or Swihart

 

Word was, DD didn't even ask.

 

 

Not even close

[BstHcpr]

Not even close

 

Lol

[moonslav59]

I don't think that would've been anywhere near enough. Yankees gave up three guys with all star potential, even with two of them being injured. Holt and Marrero don't have trade value.

 

Maybe I'm undervaluing the Yankee players given due to their injuries, but I'm not so sure my offers are that off.

 

I also think that if we included Chavis, Mata or Groome (just one), the A's would have listened. Maybe adding Houck or Scherff could get them to bite.

 

On a team like the A's, Holt might play close to FT for several years.

 

[BstHcpr]

Stop adding Holt to trade proposals.