Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[notin]

Well don't the Yankees have a better farm system than us right that they can afford to give up some of these prospects.

 

A farm that was practically built by selling off last year's bullpen. ..

[notin]

The Garcia trade may mean that the Sonny Gray trade has hit a snag, although the Yanks say that talks are still open and active.

 

The signing of both, in lieu of our standing pat, would, I think, give the Yanks the division. Given his incredible pen, Giardi would only need 5 innings and 2 runs from his starters to seal win after win.

 

I wish we were in a position to sign Gray--and one more hitter.

 

A snag wouldn't be surprising.

 

The Yankees have a ton of really good prospects, but Cashman is doing his best Ben Cherington impression and making too many untouchable. Nothing kills trade talks faster than hearing "No, you can't have the guy you want."

[BstHcpr]

Or we will get A.Reed from the Mets for Groome and Chavis. Our general manager, with the $400.00 hair cut, would absolutely jump at that deal.

 

I think we should add Betts to the trade too

[Hugh2]

The Royals traded for Melky Cabrera and the top prospect who went in the deal was KC's #13 and the Sox still ate 5 million. We could have easily traded 2 B level prospects with Young to even out the money and upgraded our 4th outfielder and our offense against LHP. Melky could also play some DH and let Hanley play 11B if moreland continued to struggled.

 

Everyteam in the division is getting better and DD is sitting around idle. I hope he has something in the works to improve this team.

[a700hitter]

The Royals traded for Melky Cabrera and the top prospect who went in the deal was KC's #13 and the Sox still ate 5 million. We could have easily traded 2 B level prospects with Young to even out the money and upgraded our 4th outfielder and our offense against LHP. Melky could also play some DH and let Hanley play 11B if moreland continued to struggled.

 

Everyteam in the division is getting better and DD is sitting around idle. I hope he has something in the works to improve this team.

I expect DD will do something and not sit with his thumb up his ass.

[Hugh2]

I expect DD will do something and not sit with his thumb up his ass.

 

I certainly hope not. It seems like we're more interested in adding a bullpen arm. Not that I'm against that, but I hope we're looking at adding some bats under the radar as well.

[moonslav59]

Reed would be a great get but at what cost for a 2 month rental RP'er?

 

To me, Groome & Chavis would be too much.

 

I might give Ockimey or Travis plus Beeks and/or Lakins. We could add Holt (or Marrero/Lin). If they wanted Holt, we'd save some cash. They could flip Holt to someone.

[a700hitter]

Reed would be a great get but at what cost for a 2 month rental RP'er?

 

To me, Groome & Chavis would be too much.

 

I might give Ockimey or Travis plus Beeks and/or Lakins. We could add Holt (or Marrero/Lin). If they wanted Holt, we'd save some cash. They could flip Holt to someone.

Way too much if it is Groome and Chavis.

[Hugh2]

I might consider that package or something in between if the Mets included Bruce. I'd slide Hanley over to 1B and your lineup would look a lot better, especially with Devers hitting at 3rd.

[Jack Flap]

A Reed/Bruce package would be nice, but I would worry about the cost...we'll see.

[a700hitter]

A Reed/Bruce package would be nice, but I would worry about the cost...we'll see.

Bruce can play first base.

[Hugh2]

I was thinking of him taking up Young's spot and DHing other days with Hanley at 1B. However, I think Bruce at 1B can work too, especially if the Sox think Hanley can't/won't play 1B full time due to his shoulder.

 

And I'm not worried about the cost, I was the biggest proponent of building from within and holding onto prospects a year ago but that ship has sailed. Everyone has had the experience of being tied up at an intersection because someone starts to pull out and then stops. "Make your damn mind up"!!!!! We've put our eggs into the next 3-5 years basket, I'm not about to support pulling halfway out and stopping. If you're going to go go, we've made moves to win now so we should continue to make moves to capitalize on this window.

 

This doesn't mean you make stupid trades, it just means you're not afraid to make moves that help your team.

[a700hitter]

Both Reed and Bruce are rentals I think.

[bowman]

Agree, either your in it to win it or your not. Unless DD brings in a bopper, Bogey and Betts better start going. Papi isn't walking through the door. Someone has to take charge. If we have to give up something to get a vet power bat do it. As long as he isn't a rental. 23 HOURS UNTIL THE DEADLINE...

[notin]

A Reed/Bruce package would be nice, but I would worry about the cost...we'll see.

 

Both are rentals. Neither are superstars.

 

I don't think it'll be a crazy cost....

[notin]

Agree, either your in it to win it or your not. Unless DD brings in a bopper, Bogey and Betts better start going. Papi isn't walking through the door. Someone has to take charge. If we have to give up something to get a vet power bat do it. As long as he isn't a rental. 23 HOURS UNTIL THE DEADLINE...

 

Why would a rental be so bad?

 

You get to keep your better prospects and move to the front of the line to negotiate for 2018.

 

A controllable veteran power bat will likely cost Groome and Chavis and possibly Travis as well...

[notin]

I was thinking of him taking up Young's spot and DHing other days with Hanley at 1B. However, I think Bruce at 1B can work too, especially if the Sox think Hanley can't/won't play 1B full time due to his shoulder.

 

And I'm not worried about the cost, I was the biggest proponent of building from within and holding onto prospects a year ago but that ship has sailed. Everyone has had the experience of being tied up at an intersection because someone starts to pull out and then stops. "Make your damn mind up"!!!!! We've put our eggs into the next 3-5 years basket, I'm not about to support pulling halfway out and stopping. If you're going to go go, we've made moves to win now so we should continue to make moves to capitalize on this window.

 

This doesn't mean you make stupid trades, it just means you're not afraid to make moves that help your team.

 

Pirates GM Neal Huntington once said about the trade deadline "I was prepared to do something stupid, just not something crazy."

Edited July 30, 2017 by notin

[Hugh2]

Why would a rental be so bad?

 

You get to keep your better prospects and move to the front of the line to negotiate for 2018.

 

A controllable veteran power bat will likely cost Groome and Chavis and possibly Travis as well...

 

Agreed, although I might be willing to include our better prospects if the players coming back came with a few years of control. Admittedly I'm less aware of who is on the trade market this summer of years past. Life hits ya sometimes, in a good way. But I actually have some faith in this offense coming together without any changes and being better than we are now. I think to some extent the offense is just slumping but another bat plus the addition of Devers could really put us over the top.

 

Now, I hate one game sample sizes, but having one better option in the pen and one more good bat might have completely changed the outcome of a game like today. Kimbrel is fine, and the rest of the bullpen is ok but you always put yourself at risk when you have to rely on your pen for 12 outs. Reed fills a hole, as does Bruce.

[jacksonianmarch]

A farm that was practically built by selling off last year's bullpen. ..

 

It was aided for sure, but our farm was pretty stocked before that. Judge, Sanchez, Sevy, and Montgomery in the bigs. Outside of Frazier, Torres and Sheff, we have plenty of talent

[notin]

It was aided for sure, but our farm was pretty stocked before that. Judge, Sanchez, Sevy, and Montgomery in the bigs. Outside of Frazier, Torres and Sheff, we have plenty of talent

 

I would say Sanchez and Severino already graduated..

[bowman]

Talking if we have to give up any top prospect. I have no problem with a rental otherwise. Unless we right the ship with the guys we got right now, any deal might not help. Bogey really needs some time off or something. He is in a tough stretch... We need to get the deadline over and got on a run.

[bowman]

Agree, giving up games after a quality pitching start sucks.

[Larry Cook]

Agree, giving up games after a quality pitching start sucks.

 

Agreed. Barnes did not have it this afternoon and it cost us a game.

 

But the other side of the coin is options were limited. Thornburg and smith have been 8th inning no shows all year. Kelly is hurt. Taylor is hurt. And workman pitched in the 7th.

[MADSTORK]

Does Chavis get you Bruce and Reed if the mets were interested in the prospect?

 

Bruce with HR MM gives you pretty good depth at 1b DH and bench

[fxkatt]

Jay Bruce has almost 30% of our home run output. And has close to 75 runs driven in. Find a way, I say.

 

Things got to be topsy-turvy this year for the Sox to be seeking hitting from the Mets (ha)

Edited July 31, 2017 by fxkatt

[Hugh2]

We keep hearing rumors about the Sox and Mets with regard to Reed but nothing about Bruce. A bullpen upgrade would be nice but an offensive upgrade is needed just as much. This almost feels like the offseason when the Sox made a bunch of moves but then got stingey when it came to 1B. That's hurting them now and they have an opportunity to fix that.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

It is my understanding that Bruce is really lousy at 1b. He has played a total of 10 games at the position throughout his career. The Mets took a look at him at 1b this year and he was bad. With that said, they could DH Bruce and play Hanley at 1b but I doubt the Red Sox have any interest in doing that. To be frank, L.Duda made more sense--he has much more experience at 1b and his power numbers are better than Bruce's this year. Since the Red Sox weren't interested in Duda, I imagine they have even less interest in Bruce.

 

My best guess: on Monday, the Red Sox will trade M.Chavis and J.Callahan to the Mets for rental, A.Reed. This will be another Red Sox overpay and so it fits perfectly into Dombrowski's trade philosophy.

 

If I'm Dombrowski, I would shift my attention to S.Gray and would offer a package around Groome. Gray is signed for two more years beyond this one and there are plenty of unknowns with the Red Sox starting staff beyond C.Sale. Gray fits into the Red Sox 3 year "go for it" window. After the three years are up, time to rebuild.

Edited July 31, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[MADSTORK]

It is my understanding that Bruce is really lousy at 1b. He has played a total of 10 games at the position throughout his career. The Mets took a look at him at 1b this year and he was bad. With that said, they could DH Bruce and play Hanley at 1b but I doubt the Red Sox have any interest in doing that. To be frank, L.Duda made more sense--he has much more experience at 1b and his power numbers are better than Bruce's this year. Since the Red Sox weren't interested in Duda, I imagine they have even less interest in Bruce.

 

My best guess: on Monday, the Red Sox will trade M.Chavis and J.Callahan to the Mets for rental, A.Reed. This will be another Red Sox overpay and so it fits perfectly into Dombrowski's trade philosophy.

 

 

Bruce will fit right in with this defense...

[fxkatt]

I can see getting Bruce, using him almost entirely as our DH, and possibly re-signing him as a DH for next year. Hanley would either be pressed into playing first base, or traded. Bruce is the superior hitter, and he's 30 years old. And at least an adequate outfield backup.

 

But one problem with this scenario is the difficulty we'd run into in trading Hanley (more money going out).

 

Yes, Bruce has been mentioned in a deadline trade with the Red Sox in at least a couple mainstream sources, most particularly at Fox Sports.

[moonslav59]

It is my understanding that Bruce is really lousy at 1b. He has played a total of 10 games at the position throughout his career. The Mets took a look at him at 1b this year and he was bad. With that said, they could DH Bruce and play Hanley at 1b but I doubt the Red Sox have any interest in doing that. To be frank, L.Duda made more sense--he has much more experience at 1b and his power numbers are better than Bruce's this year. Since the Red Sox weren't interested in Duda, I imagine they have even less interest in Bruce.

 

My best guess: on Monday, the Red Sox will trade M.Chavis and J.Callahan to the Mets for rental, A.Reed. This will be another Red Sox overpay and so it fits perfectly into Dombrowski's trade philosophy.

 

If I'm Dombrowski, I would shift my attention to S.Gray and would offer a package around Groome. Gray is signed for two more years beyond this one and there are plenty of unknowns with the Red Sox starting staff beyond C.Sale. Gray fits into the Red Sox 3 year "go for it" window. After the three years are up, time to rebuild.

 

Good post. It could happen.

 

If we got Bruce, it would mean HRam plays 1B FT and Moreland is benched. Not unrealistic.

 

I've always liked Gray, but the injury situations scare the hell out of me.

 

I doubt we trade for a starter or a big bat. I think DD makes a move for a solid #2 RP'er (currently a closer like Reed).