Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[moonslav59]

For what it's worth, ZiPS, Steamer and FanGraphs Depth Charts project Todd Frazier with rest-of-season WAR of 1.0, 1.2 and 1.2:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=785&position=3B

 

As points of reference, here the the ZiPS rest-of-season projections for Red Sox hitters:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&type=rzips&team=3&lg=all&players=0&sort=24,d

 

And the Steamer ROS projections for Red Sox hitters:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&type=steamerr&team=3&lg=all&players=0&sort=27,d

 

... and the FanGraphs Depth Charts projections:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&type=rfangraphsdc&team=3&lg=all&players=0&sort=24,d

 

Must be better than Lin/Marrero, but at what cost?

[Fisk]

Must be better than Lin/Marrero, but at what cost?

 

I'm guessing cost will be low, supply is much higher then demand for third basemen in this years market.

[Larry Cook]

Really hoping we pass on Frazier.

 

I do not see any 3rd basemen available that we should be pursuing.

 

we need to stay in house until Devers is brought up.

[moonslav59]

I'm guessing cost will be low, supply is much higher then demand for third basemen in this years market.

 

I'm open to Frazier, if the cost is lower than getting Harrison, Lowrie (with Doolittle) or others.

 

I don't want an big overpay, but I'm willing to pay a slight overpay for a rental.

 

No Devers, Groome or Travis for a rental.

 

No Chavis either.

 

I'd be willing to give Ockimey & Lakins/Beeks/Callahan types for the right fit, but even that might be too much.

[Jasonbay44]

I'm open to Frazier, if the cost is lower than getting Harrison, Lowrie (with Doolittle) or others.

 

I don't want an big overpay, but I'm willing to pay a slight overpay for a rental.

 

No Devers, Groome or Travis for a rental.

 

No Chavis either.

 

I'd be willing to give Ockimey & Lakins/Beeks/Callahan types for the right fit, but even that might be too much.

 

I agree. I'd be extremely disappointed if we gave up Travis/Groome/Devers for a rental, especially if its just a mediocre guy like Frazier.

[moonslav59]

I agree. I'd be extremely disappointed if we gave up Travis/Groome/Devers for a rental, especially if its just a mediocre guy like Frazier.

 

If they give up one of those 3 for Frazier, I'll be suggesting a FO change.

 

I'll be upset with Chavis, but maybe not to the irate level.

[harmony]

I'm open to Frazier, if the cost is lower than getting Harrison, Lowrie (with Doolittle) or others.

 

I don't want an big overpay, but I'm willing to pay a slight overpay for a rental.

 

No Devers, Groome or Travis for a rental.

 

No Chavis either.

 

I'd be willing to give Ockimey & Lakins/Beeks/Callahan types for the right fit, but even that might be too much.

I suspect a trade for Todd Frazier would require Michael Chavis and someone like 27-year-old lefthander Edgar Olmos.

 

Chavis is a nearly 22-year-old defensively challenged third baseman who has posted a .252/.317/.448/.765 line in 1,283 minor league plate appearances with 332 strikeouts and only 91 walks.

 

http://www.soxprospects.com/players/chavis-michael.htm

[harmony]

White Sox fans have their ideas about a trade of Todd Frazier to the Red Sox:

 

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=103296

[Jack Flap]

Frazier for a couple of B/C-list prospects would probably be fine with me, but what I'd be willing to give might not be enough for the White Sox.

 

(Although, skimming through the first few pages of that WS fan thread Harmony posted, their expectations hardly seem to be over the moon...)

[Jasonbay44]

Did anyone else just hear A-Rod on TV say he wouldn't be surprised if Dombrowski pulled off a move for Miguel Cabrera? Umm, what? How would that even work and why would he do that?

 

Edit: Here's link

Edited July 15, 2017 by Jasonbay44

[harmony]

Remember the discussion a year ago about how much Drew Pomeranz cost in trade:

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/17799-Red-Sox-Acquire-Drew-Pomeranz?highlight=diego

Edited July 15, 2017 by harmony

[OH FOY]

Anderson Espinoza dropped down to #4 prospect for SD. He just started throwing 120 feet. They will shelve him this year, and I still think they make him a Reliever. CJ Edwards like. Matta is the kid you don't want to lose. Edited July 15, 2017 by OH FOY!

[OH FOY]

Cabrera is breaking down, that's a huge contract. Cant believe it after Sandoval.

[moonslav59]

I suspect a trade for Todd Frazier would require Michael Chavis and someone like 27-year-old lefthander Edgar Olmos.

 

Chavis is a nearly 22-year-old defensively challenged third baseman who has posted a .252/.317/.448/.765 line in 1,283 minor league plate appearances with 332 strikeouts and only 91 walks.

 

http://www.soxprospects.com/players/chavis-michael.htm

 

That's all you see in Chavis?

 

I agree, he won't stick at 3B, but the guy has developed into a nice hitter over the years. Don't hold his early years against him.

[harmony]

That's all you see in Chavis?

 

I agree, he won't stick at 3B, but the guy has developed into a nice hitter over the years. Don't hold his early years against him.

Fifty-nine games at High A this year aren't enough to change my mind (or likely the minds of many baseball executives).

 

Michael Chavis' K/BB ratio at High A resembled that of Will Middlebrooks at High A at a slightly younger age.

[moonslav59]

Fifty-nine games at High A this year aren't enough to change my mind (or likely the minds of many baseball executives).

 

Michael Chavis' K/BB ratio at High A resembled that of Will Middlebrooks at High A at a slightly younger age.

 

I believe he battled some injuries early on, and he's holding his own in AA (4 HRs in 19 games/68 ABs).

 

K Rate before 2017: 27.4 (RK, A and A+)

 

K Rate in 2017: 21.3% (A+/AA)

 

middy never showed improvement on his K rate. Big difference.

 

Edited July 16, 2017 by moonslav59

[Fan_since_Boggs]

With all due respect, we are not going to and we should not bench or platoon HRam.

 

According to my plan, after the Red Sox acquire Alonso, the Red Sox would reduce the playing time of Moreland more than Hanley. Hanley will DH against all lefties and most righties, but he will sit on occasion against a righty to get Moreland in there. This is a good thing insofar as Hanley is often banged up and needs an occasional day off to stay fresh.

[harmony]

I believe he battled some injuries early on, and he's holding his own in AA (4 HRs in 19 games/68 ABs).

 

K Rate before 2017: 27.4 (RK, A and A+)

 

K Rate in 2017: 21.3% (A+/AA)

 

middy never showed improvement on his K rate. Big difference.

 

Will Middlebrooks made improvements in his strikeout rate at every minor league level before making his MLB debut in 2012:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7002&position=3B

[moonslav59]

According to my plan, after the Red Sox acquire Alonso, the Red Sox would reduce the playing time of Moreland more than Hanley. Hanley will DH against all lefties and most righties, but he will sit on occasion against a righty to get Moreland in there. This is a good thing insofar as Hanley is often banged up and needs an occasional day off to stay fresh.

 

We might as well trade Moreland, if we trade for Alonso.

 

HRam is fine vs RHPs. He's also one of our hottest hitters. He's also one of our most proven hitters, career-wise.

[moonslav59]

Will Middlebrooks made improvements in his strikeout rate at every minor league level before making his MLB debut in 2012:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7002&position=3B

 

I must have misremembered, but his 22.7 rate in 2012 (at age 23) was not as low as Chavis this yea, plus he went back up 26.8 in AAA in 2014 (which was after making it to the bigs).

[moonslav59]

Middy

A- 32.2% (Age 19)

A 28.8% (Age 20)

A+ 25.2% (Age 21)

AA 23.9% (Age 22)

AAA 30.0% (age 22)

(He did decline the next year in AAA & MLB quite a lot, but look at the age and level comps.)

 

Chavis

R 25.3% (Age 18)

A 30.6% (Age 19)

A 23.7% (Age 20)

A+ 25.9% (Age 20)

A+ 22.8% (Age 21)

AA 16.4% (Age 21)

[cp176]

I really hope that we don't make a trade for a one year rental at third base. It would cost us players and for what? I just don't see a player like Frazier being able to take us anyplace that our little bunch of lightweights can't. It might make the third base situation look better for this year but how much better is the question? I don't think that much.

[Spudboy]

I really hope that we don't make a trade for a one year rental at third base. It would cost us players and for what? I just don't see a player like Frazier being able to take us anyplace that our little bunch of lightweights can't. It might make the third base situation look better for this year but how much better is the question? I don't think that much.

 

"Little bunch of lightweights". I like that and I tend to agree.

 

The idea of Frazier blasting bombs over the wall sounds nice but who needs to spend money and chips on a .217 hitter for three months?

 

f*** that s***. Go big or stay home with the lightweights.

[OH FOY]

Good read.

 

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/242100678/todd-frazier-a-good-trade-fit-for-red-sox/

[moonslav59]

Frazier is a late season slumper. Every year of his career, he drops off in the second half.

 

Why trade for a guy in hopes that he does something for the first time ever?

 

He's off to his worst start ever and always gets worse as the season progresses. What am I missing?

 

I know his OBP isn't bad, and we are lacking power, but unless we can get Frazier for someone like Lakins or Beeks, I'd pass on Todd.

 

It will probably take at least Ockimey and Lakins to get Frazier. I wouldn't do that.

 

[Emp9]

Frazier is a late season slumper. Every year of his career, he drops off in the second half.

 

Why trade for a guy in hopes that he does something for the first time ever?

 

He's off to his worst start ever and always gets worse as the season progresses. What am I missing?

 

 

I wasn't aware of that. That changes things for me.

[S5Dewey]

Frazier is a late season slumper. Every year of his career, he drops off in the second half.

 

Why trade for a guy in hopes that he does something for the first time ever?

 

He's off to his worst start ever and always gets worse as the season progresses. What am I missing?

 

I know his OBP isn't bad, and we are lacking power, but unless we can get Frazier for someone like Lakins or Beeks, I'd pass on Todd.

 

It will probably take at least Ockimey and Lakins to get Frazier. I wouldn't do that.

 

 

This goes back to something I alluded to a while ago. I don't see anyone out there who would make a big improvement to the team who would be available at the price we'd be willing to pay. You just know that the other GM's are showing up on DD's doorstep wearing masks and carrying guns, ready to rob him. Don't let it happen, DD!

[Emp9]

But DD always gets his man, no matter the cost.

[Kimmi]

Even though our ability to score runs has been frustratingly inconsistent and our pen has been pretty good, I think a late inning reliever is a bigger need than a small upgrade at 3B. Kelly's injury sounds like it may be long term.

 

Adding someone like Frazier (or even Beltre, for that matter) isn't going to solve our offensive problems. The guys that we have still need to perform like they are capable of performing.

[sk7326]

I've got your rental right here